Computer for Audio, Recommendation

marty

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Got some old stereo equipment.
Audio Research LS3 Pre Amp
Audio Research D-100 Amp
2 Really HEAVY home made Speakers
(I didn't build them. I did look inside and replace the fiberglass insulation with cotton insulation. UltraTouch™ Denim Insulation http://www.bondedlogic.com/)
Here are some pictures
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Want to listen to internet radio. Wireless internet comes from the neighbor about 100 feet away. Do to this distance wireless reception is hit or miss with most laptops. Better with a iPod. Good with this:
Rosewill RNX-N300X IEEE 802.11b/g, IEEE 802.11n Draft 2.0 PCI Wireless Adapter
Rosewill_RNX-N300X_PCI_Wireless_Adapter.jpg
Might also listen to mp3 and flac files. Been playing with Foobar http://www.foobar2000.org/ Large hard drive storage not needed.

Would like to spend $200 or less on a computer. Could spend more. Computer will also be used to view PDF service manuals. I am thinking Windows 7? Could be laptop or desktop. Got lots of room on a big desk. Got a old monitor, mouse, and keyboard.

What is best way to get good sounding sound out of a computer?
 
well, given that you're talking about internet radio, which is a horribly compressed very lossy stream of crappy audio, you could use whatever built in sound device the motherboard has and probably not notice. :lol:


But if you want something nice for not a lot of money, m-audio makes some good pro-audio sound modules. When I used to have time/energy/inspiration to make music, I used the m-audio Fast Track Pro for recording and playback via USB, and it was very good for it's price (less than $100, bought back when I thought I was going to keep making more money than I ended up, before CompUSA shutdown). Since you don't need to record, probably, then you could use just their output devices.

Hmm....looks like they sold off all their external stuff except firewire to Avid, so I guess you'd go here for it isntead.
http://www.avid.com/US/products
I am having trouble navigating their nonstandard-code site in my old browser, but it looks like they may not have any of the output-only stuff anymore. this one
http://www.avid.com/US/products/Mbox-Mini
is a 2 in 2 out box. but it's $300, which is ridiculous for what you want it for.

This is the closest thing they still make to what I have
http://www.avid.com/US/products/fast-track
but i can't get their site to "find" it in their store or show me it's details pages or anything, s I'm not sure if its' comparable to mine or not. it looks like it only has a single input from the pics, rather than the pair mine does, but I don't think that matters for your purposes.

Googling the name Avid Fast Track does find it for under $100 on various web stores though, and if it is still made like mine it is worth that for the quality and the ease of setup and use during recording/etc.
 
Here is what I bought.
From Walmart:
HP Refurbished Black DC5850 Desktop PC with AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor, 4GB Memory, 80GB Hard Drive and Windows 7 Home Premium (Monitor Not Included) $148 + 97¢ shipping + tax

From Newegg:
Refurbished: SAMSUNG 740N-B2 Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor, Grade B "off Lease" - No Back Cover $50
Rosewill RNX-N300X PCI Wireless Adapter $25
Free shipping and no tax.
 
To connect computer to preamp I got a 3.5mm Stereo to Female RCA Cable. Looks like this.
CC399-12_LR.jpg


Which input should I use on the preamp? TAPE, AUX, C-D, VIDEO, TUNER, DIRECT
Assume MAIN output goes to the Amp.
ls3_scan.gif
 
marty said:
To connect computer to preamp I got a 3.5mm Stereo to Female RCA Cable. Looks like this.
CC399-12_LR.jpg


Which input should I use on the preamp? TAPE, AUX, C-D, VIDEO, TUNER, DIRECT
Assume MAIN output goes to the Amp.

Copy from Owners Manual
INPUT CONNECTORS: All are clearly marked to indicate
use. The inputs are 50K ohms impedance, except the
"Direct" input which is lOOK ohms.


To answer my question? Don't think it matters? I used AUX 1. No idea what DIRECT is for?
 
amberwolf said:
well, given that you're talking about internet radio, which is a horribly compressed very lossy stream of crappy audio, you could use whatever built in sound device the motherboard has and probably not notice. :lol:


But if you want something nice for not a lot of money, m-audio makes some good pro-audio sound modules. When I used to have time/energy/inspiration to make music, I used the m-audio Fast Track Pro for recording and playback via USB, and it was very good for it's price (less than $100, bought back when I thought I was going to keep making more money than I ended up, before CompUSA shutdown). Since you don't need to record, probably, then you could use just their output devices.

Hmm....looks like they sold off all their external stuff except firewire to Avid, so I guess you'd go here for it isntead.
http://www.avid.com/US/products
I am having trouble navigating their nonstandard-code site in my old browser, but it looks like they may not have any of the output-only stuff anymore. this one
http://www.avid.com/US/products/Mbox-Mini
is a 2 in 2 out box. but it's $300, which is ridiculous for what you want it for.

This is the closest thing they still make to what I have
http://www.avid.com/US/products/fast-track
but i can't get their site to "find" it in their store or show me it's details pages or anything, s I'm not sure if its' comparable to mine or not. it looks like it only has a single input from the pics, rather than the pair mine does, but I don't think that matters for your purposes.

Googling the name Avid Fast Track does find it for under $100 on various web stores though, and if it is still made like mine it is worth that for the quality and the ease of setup and use during recording/etc.

Been experimenting with different internet radio players. If you go to http://www.xpn.org/ and click on the Listen Live button at the top, a Flash Player box opens. Might be my imagination but it does sound crappy. Lots to listen to in this Flash Player box, concerts, festivals, more.

Try this, Click on Music+Artists / Listen Live / At the bottom see Windows Media / Click on High - file.asx / Open with Windows Media Player or whatever you see on the drop down list. (Might have to disable Windows Media Player Add-on in Mozilla Firefox to make the [Open With] box pop up) Open with Foobar2000 or whatever player ya like. Both Windows Media Player and Foobar2000 have a equalizer to play with. Lots of different Visualizations to look at.

Re: m-audio Fast Track Pro for recording and playback via USB and "use whatever built in sound device the motherboard has and probably not notice" Lots more to learn about how the sound travels out of a computer. Green headphone jack verses some USB gismo?
 
marty said:
Re: m-audio Fast Track Pro for recording and playback via USB and "use whatever built in sound device the motherboard has and probably not notice" Lots more to learn about how the sound travels out of a computer. Green headphone jack verses some USB gismo?
Mostly it depends on the source material as to whether improving the output device would matter.

Since the internet radio is a highly-lossy-compressed stream of data, some of the "sound" is already gone, changed, degraded, altered, etc.

Kinda like a JPG file vs BMP or TIF or the "raw" camera formats. The latter three contain exactly what was digitized in the first place. But a JPG file even at it's best is still compressed in a way that destroys some of the data, so when you loook at the image you see the blockiness of color and "texture" that results form the lost data, especially if you compare it to the original uncompressed image.

Depending on the source material, you might not even notice the compression--if it is just a human voice talking, especially in a noisy environment, like a reporter on a street, all the relevant informaiton is still there if you're just listening to their speech. But if it is a classical orchestral piece with wide dynamic range, it's highly unlikely that it will sound like the original, as most of the dynamics are the first thing to be lost in such compression. It's still good enough for most poeple, but if you are a picky audiophile.... ;)



There *are* lossless compression schemes, but they're not typically used for streaming or things like internet radio; they're usually used for storing recorded data in home studios, or audiophiles that want all their hardware albums/vinyl/tape/cd/etc collections digitally stored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression
FLAC is the one I'm familiar with
http://flac.sourceforge.net/
but since the internet radio stuff almost certainly isn't going to use this, then unless you intend to digitize your own hardware audio collection, there's no need to go learning about it. ;)


I was gonna attach two versions of the same composition I made years ago, one of them is compressed with MP3 at about the same bitrate often used for players and some streaming, and the other is an uncompressed WAV file, but I can't find that WAV file. Must be only on my old offline backups somewhere. :(
Anyway, the idea would ahve been to show that it's easy to hear the difference from lost information, although in this particular case I actually prefer the compressed version because of the things it does to some of the percussion, making it more "interesting". :lol: I'd already uploaded the compressed one, so I left it there (you just have to rename it from .zip to .mp3).



FWIW, equalizers and other plugins don't really fix the problems with the audio quality--they just make it possible to fit the audio range of the stuff you're playing to your sound system's capabilities, your room's acoustics and your ears' capabilities and your own preferences. Somtimes the improvement is sufficient, and sometimes it's not--depends on what you expect from it.


If you are using a lossless format, especially at a high bit-depth (24 or 32 bit) then it starts to matter a lot what audio output hardware you have in the computer--but if you are recording it in yourself at those bit depths, then the hardware for that should also output the same.

But otherwise, it doesn't matter all that much.

Some cheap soundcards or other audio hardware, especially built-in audio on laptops, can be problematic for adding noises to the output or input, like actually being able to hear distortions in audio when moving the mouse or dragging stuff around onscreen, or clicks or burps at every wifi data packet--stuff like that. Most cheaper audio hardware has a lot more hissing on its output even when there is no audio being sent to it (even when muted, on some of them), but this doesn't really matter much if it's just for internet radio--the embedded noise from data loss in most of those streams is going to be louder than the built-in hiss.


Try it with the hardware you've already got, and if you don't like the soudn of it, even playing a cd thru it, then you can try something different. :)
 

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