Controller for Golden Motor Hub?

[electrobent]

Hi:

I fried my "cruise controller" from Golden Motor. As I have had for only 10 1/2 months, it should be under warranty but should Golden Motor fail to honor that, I am wondering what my options are. I have the 1000 watt 48V front hub motor with external controller.

Are there other brands that would work with my wheel? Do any offer adjustable (on the fly) braking?

Thanks very much!

--Eric

 

[FMB42]

You should be able to use the controllers listed in the links below. Btw, it might be a good idea to replace the throttle while you're at it.

Note: the ebikes.ca 20amp controller offers a "cruise control" feature.

http://www.ebikes.ca/store/store_controllers.php

http://www.e-bikekit.com/shop/index.php?p=product&id=16&parent=13



Here's a link to the GM USA website (includes US dealership info (in case you decide to buy another GM Cruise Controller unit):

http://www.goldenmotorusa.com/index.php?pg=dlinfo

Here's a link to the Golden Motor "Cruise Controller" wiring diagram:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:upv-9VvI1eUJ:www.goldenmotor.com/e-Bike-DIY/Cruise%2520Controller%2520Wiring%2520Diagram.pdf+Golden+Motor+wiring+diagrams&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh66gNaERV5k3ly61kphc1x8aJ7b1QKLqcx45DOuDcFLQy-SjJz2ZLpdr9iaDV80n3lyHB3Bna9lzflB_XvS5u5gmc57I4qFUGTzBEhiX3NXCB6uFQjiC7K2FixFnAHolVfcq7Z&sig=AHIEtbQURB-qa-c4j-6hY0-tcujkXwXTAQ

You can also search the ES "Controller Information Links" thread below for more info:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19446

 

[o00scorpion00o]

Hi:

I fried my "cruise controller" from Golden Motor. As I have had for only 10 1/2 months, it should be under warranty but should Golden Motor fail to honor that, I am wondering what my options are. I have the 1000 watt 48V front hub motor with external controller.

Are there other brands that would work with my wheel? Do any offer adjustable (on the fly) braking?

Thanks very much!

--Eric

Hi Eric,

Yeah as one of fmb22's suggestions, you could go for the 20 or 25 amp infineons from ebikes.ca. They are good controllers. I have the 40 amp and it's a very good controller! And yep replacing the throttle is good too. LOL I sound like a parrot!

One option is to buy the 40 amp, and buy the direct plug in cycle analyst, to limit the current to say, 20-25 amps. Chances are you will want a more powerful setup in the not so distant future anyway.

I have had problems with a few GM controllers, but their motors are really good!


Mark

 

[FMB42]

Quote:
"I have had problems with a few GM controllers, but their motors are really good!"



Yep, I have a GM DD kit set aside for a future beach cruiser build. I actually gave the stock GM controller away and replaced it with the ebikekit 22 amp unit. Also picked up one of their twist throttles while I was at it...

 

[heathyoung]

Yep - another thumbs up for the programmable infineon controllers. See my sig for phase/hall config.

 

[electrobent]

The infineon's look nice and seem to be reasonably priced (a Golden Motor controller shipped from China is $90) but they all seem to have long leads where I have long leads coming out of my GM wheel. Is the Infineon lead something special that I should solder into my hub or can I just chop them off and replace with the right connector to hook up with what I already have.

So no body has regen brakes that brake harder when you squeeze harder? No backwards throttles?

 

[o00scorpion00o]

The infineon's look nice and seem to be reasonably priced (a Golden Motor controller shipped from China is $90) but they all seem to have long leads where I have long leads coming out of my GM wheel. Is the Infineon lead something special that I should solder into my hub or can I just chop them off and replace with the right connector to hook up with what I already have.

So no body has regen brakes that brake harder when you squeeze harder? No backwards throttles?

GM had a old controller that the regen worked by releasing the throttle, It was a real pain because you could not free wheel at all.

I also burned mine lol!

But the idea was good, however, It would be really cool if that feature was available on the infineons where you twist the throttle and increase the strength of the regen but it ONLY comes on when you pull the brake. Doing this would allow you to adjust the regen strength on the fly without having to connect it up to the computer to adjust it every time until it's just right. You would only connect it up once to set the max current going back to the battery!

I would really love a programmable controller with a touch screen that would allow you to adjust all the settings from that, and be your speedo and odometer too, show you watts, voltage etc.

Regarding the cable length. It's no problem if you can solder ? just cut the wires to the size you want, resolder and shrink, no problem!


Mark

 

[Spacey]

I've used a 40 amp 12 fet Infineon controller on my other bike for over 6 months of hard off road use, I used to put down the Magic Pie wheel because of the crappy wheel build but I have to say the thing is built like a tank and takes all the punishment I give it at 72Volts 40amps.

The controller they came with were a joke, I modified mine for 70amps, tried to blow it up but it would not die. I think because it had direct air flow going over it it was keeping cool enough to not mess up.

 

[Philistine]

ES Member Lyen can help you out. His product and service is awesome, and he is extremely helpful. I agree with the poster who suggested getting a higher amp controller with Cycle Analyst Direct Plugin so you can limit the amps and build up as you will inevitably want to.

Lyen sells cruise control units as an extra, and his controllers have a programable input. He also sells ebrake levers so you can have your regen only come on when you brake (without mods though, this is only for voltages below 60v though, at higher than that you need to mod the controller for the regen to have an effective braking effect - this is something I am doing myself at the moment). You can adjust how hard the braking comes on in the programing interface (setting the EBS level to either 1,2, or 3 I think, higher number being higher/stronger braking). The throttle type of regen (ie which comes on as the throttle is backed off) can also be set in the programing interface.

I have bought many products from Lyen and can't say enough good things about him and his service. If you PM him he will sort out what is best for your needs.

Cheers, Phil.

 

[electrobent]

http://kellycontroller.com/keb4822124v-48v-100a22kwe-bike-brushless-controller-regen-p-59.html


• Support three modes of regenerative braking: brake switch regen, release throttle regen,0-5V analog signal variable regen.

What is this 0=5V analog signal variable regen?

 

[electrobent]

Thanks, Phil, I have placed an order with Edward.

 

[electrobent]

I now have an EC-12411OLD Lyen Edition controller with the programming interface, 3 way switch, cruise control, and "CA" interface. I also have a new throttle which I also got from E. Lyen. I am assuming that "CA" means "Cycle Analyst"?

I am running 48V now but have another 24s worth of good cells that I would like to work into my series. Any details on the mods needed to get the regen to work at 72V?

It looks like my 1000W Golden Motor hub can handle it.

Thanks for your help folks!

--Eric

 

[electrobent]

I bought the 12 X 4110 Controller from Lyen and it worked fine until I tried to program it.

Its a real problem that the software does not let you retrieve the current settings.

My motor no longer runs.

Does anyone have an .ASV file for a 12 fet infineon and a Golden Motor 48V, 1000W motor?

Can anyone tell me how I should set it?

 

[grindz145]

I bought the 12 X 4110 Controller from Lyen and it worked fine until I tried to program it.

Its a real problem that the software does not let you retrieve the current settings.

My motor no longer runs.

Does anyone have an .ASV file for a 12 fet infineon and a Golden Motor 48V, 1000W motor?

Can anyone tell me how I should set it?

Ask Lyen about this. He's a really awesome guy and I wouldn't doubt that he would help you out.

I have an 18 Fet infineon that I use with the GM. Overkill? Yeah... But the 20-25A infineons will not let you down.

 

[Philistine]

+1 on sending a PM to Edward, he is really helpful and always responds to questions/requests.

Without stating the obvious, did you make sure that when you transmitted the new settings to the controller they went through? Other obvious thing to check would be the low voltage cutoff you set isn't too high (if you changed it).

My understanding is that the mods required to be able to run regen over 60v is a hardware mod, in adding another resistor to R12, detailed in this thread:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8317&hilit=regen

was also discussed here:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=25278

 

[oldhaq]

Copy the text below into notepad, then save/rename as an .asv file. After you load that, since you have a speed switch, change one of the 3 speed settings to 120%, or if you haven't connected it yet set speed 2 to 120%. That should get you going. These settings are fairly conservative compared to what that controller can do. If you're using the 8b116EN software version from Ed Lyen, ask him for an .asv... or use Parameter Designer instead...My guess also tho is that all you need to do differently is change Halt Voltage or Low Voltage to a lower value.


3:EB212
45
30.0
40.5
1.0
99
0:Switch Mode
40
100
80
2.0
15.0
1:Only Fake Indicate
1:Comm GND
2:
35
60
0:Low
0:NO
0:Fast
0:Cruising Indicate
2:Compatible

 

[electrobent]

I did not set out to change the LVC but now that you mention it, I bet that is what I did.

Can you change just one thing or do they all get updated at once in the flash?

I suspect the latter and that when I loaded the default file and failed to find an item labeled "LVC" to change, I ended up overwriting Lyen's custom setting with the default which is probably the cut-off for 72V.

Does anyone have the source code for the program? Maybe I can get an Engineering or CS student to write a "get current settings" module for it.

 

[electrobent]

Yep, that was it. I did not know I was looking for "Halt V." I did not know what that was so I did not mess with it and instead overwrote it with the default 57 which was 1 volt more than I had at the time.

After I told him I killed it, Edward sent me the complete spec that I had been asking him for since I got the controller.

I deviated from his speed settings of 33, 66 and 100 though. I went with 80, 100, and 120. I think that might be fast enough, too fast, and waaay too fast.

Maybe I don't need that extra 24 Volts after all? Still be good for range though.

 

[heathyoung]

I bought the 12 X 4110 Controller from Lyen and it worked fine until I tried to program it.

Its a real problem that the software does not let you retrieve the current settings.

My motor no longer runs.

Does anyone have an .ASV file for a 12 fet infineon and a Golden Motor 48V, 1000W motor?

Can anyone tell me how I should set it?

Yeah sure, I've got one if you like - 40A, 120A Phase, regen. I'll post it tomorrow.

 

[electrobent]

Is that with the stock phase wires?

I am at 30 and 80 now.