Could the earth be flat?

[nutnspecial]

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"In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.

Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.

Passive acceptance of the teacher's wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favour of the teacher unless he is a very exceptional man. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position.

Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country.

Science may set limits to knowledge, but should not set limits to imagination.

The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action.

This is one of those views which are so absolutely absurd that only very learned men could possibly adopt them.

To be without some of the things you want is an indispensable part of happiness.

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

One should as a rule respect public opinion in so far as is necessary to avoid starvation and to keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny, and is likely to interfere with happiness in all kinds of ways.

Aristotle maintained that women have fewer teeth than men; although he was twice married, it never occurred to him to verify this statement by examining his wives' mouths.

The point of philosophy is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth stating, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will believe it."
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Bertrand_Russell

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[Dauntless]

Must be a bit of trolling action going on here eh ?

Oh yeah, one troll is bragging about his use of the 'Ignore' function. Why can't trolls just IGNORE anything?

Why would I want to label someone as 'enemy' or even form 'friend' clicques?

It's kinda like the Dr. Seuss story about the 'Star Bellied Sneetches.' Of course they know they're better, that's why they have the stars on their bellies. What you see here is someone desperately in need of a way to brag, and the only thing at his disposal is TALKING about the ignore function, thus proving he's not really ignoring. . . .

I want to look into the 'teapot' thing a bit more . I don't think the point is if anything's flat or not, it's about burden of proof etc? Those are beautiful teapots though,. . . .[\quote] just the thing I would drink from if I was . . .

Especially when the burden of proof seems to be very light on continuing to argue it's flat yet quite heavy for proof it's round. (You never seem to look into THAT.) And heavy for proof the ignore function is actually being used. Don't know if he was only trying to pick on your string of posts or even noticed I had one in there. But he knows the opportunity to feign ignorance we he SEES it.

just the thing I would drink from if I was . . .

. . . .To sit down with this other troll to a spot of tea and a discussion of techniques?

As trolling goes, there's infraction, there's misdemeanors, there is of course the felonies. Why using the infraction as an excuse to commit the misdemeanor or even the felony is so delightful to some is beyond the normal realm of understanding, eh?

Ah well, at least I proved that if they teapot is there, it could be round or flat, as needed. But the board could have an ego link where they proudly DISPLAY how many they have ignored. The burden of proof would then be met on that.

 

[nutnspecial]

Well said, well said.

Especially when the burden of proof seems to be very light on continuing to argue it's flat yet quite heavy for proof it's round. (You never seem to look into THAT.)

Almost a shame imo.
If I get too bored, I'll be going back thru some of the things people stated as evidence for globe earth.
What were they?

Ships disappearing over horizon,
Stars spinning opposite in opposite hemisphere,
Inability to see large things from long distances,

That's all I can think of. Definitely need to re-read, I'm sure there's more? :wink:

 

[Dauntless]

Somehow, this short seems befitting this thread.

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[nutnspecial]

Also pertains to alot of subjects and aspects of humanity, although I'm not sure ray kurzweil would like it. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ray+kurzweil+book

I'm sortof bored with the venue and 'discussion', so here's a funny clip, from a good 'author' imo

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[nutnspecial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOB0vcZ4NI

I ran into this 'radio show' 2day. The title is a little misleading, but damn there was some interesting stuff that will be hard to discount if it comes to fruition.

 

[Punx0r]

Wait, maybe it's not trolling but Dadaism?

Dadaism is an artistic movement which by its definition is irrational. The movement embraces the free flow of unreasoned thought and prizes nonsense and rejection of established norms.

 

[nutnspecial]

. . . .
sandy hook boston bombing 911 w/ skiba and dirth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuITbWCofyk
clip @ beginning with degrasse tyson on flat earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAg_4UHvKa4

 

[Dauntless]

Wait, maybe it's not trolling but Dadaism?

Dadaism is an artistic movement which by its definition is irrational. The movement embraces the free flow of unreasoned thought and prizes nonsense and rejection of established norms.

I'm thinking something more like Da Da Daism.

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[Dauntless]

You know you're sinkin' so dang low when you have a rapper on your side.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/01/25/bob-flat-earth-twitter-rant/21302541/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl36|sec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D1316217864

 

[nutnspecial]

Also Tila Tequila !

Did you ever give a definitive answer dauntless; Could it be flat? Yes or no.

Even better, could it not be as we've been told- a spinning ball hurdling around the sun and thru space at a million miles an hour?

 

[nutnspecial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5HVFs1hx0

 

[Dauntless]

Oh, now you're saying *I* get to be the one that decides if the world is flat or not. Not like it was that way for its' entire history before I was even born . . . .

 

[Leebolectric]

The earth is full of FLATulence...

 

[nutnspecial]

Daunty, operative word = 'could' . . . . . context: not decisive. . . . . So quit 'fartin' around

YES?


OR


NO?

 

[nicobie]

Would you shrivel up and die with out youtube?

I think you need to be limited to the basement where you won't embarrass Justin's new members.

 

[Brentis]

Would you shrivel up and die with out youtube?

I think you need to be limited to the basement where you won't embarrass Justin's new members.

Not just new members, though I am concerned about them as well, but he is infringing on my enjoyment of this fabulous site, a place that felt like home before the conspiracy nuts bombarded us. Someone slap me but I was reading (sic) V is for Voltage the other day. No one should have to resort to that.
I hope it's just a coincidence that some of the best and brightest seem to be on here less and less.
We need the Miles, LFP, Lewbowski's etc. If we scare off the brain trusts with this non stop, non ev related bullshit this site and the community in general will suffer. Sad really.

 

[nutnspecial]

Haters gonna hate, but why constantly post like this regarding me? This shit is getting ridiculous!

NEWS FLASH, if you don't like a topic and can't carry on an argument with at least civility, DON"T FUCKIN POST IN IT.

Maybe any real problem is disrespect between members, and then acting out like spoiled brattish children.

If you hate ideas I represent, and can't discuss civilly, just leave it be-

 

[Dauntless]

Haters gonna hate, but why constantly post like this regarding me? This shit is getting ridiculous!

Bee-cause you're constantly posting what they're talking about? Oh, the shit has already gotten ridiculous some time ago.

 

[nutnspecial]

You're just as bad following my posts/threads with your postmodern fuckery :wink:.

 

[r3volved]

NEWS FLASH, if you don't like a topic and can't carry on an argument with at least civility, DON"T FUCKIN POST IN IT.

Yet here you remain - posting nonsense and then calling everyone else children when they know what they're talking about.

I think one of the main problems is that you think all opinions are equal, when in reality you've not had an informed opinion on any one of these lunacy threads yet.

Your method of - accepting all claims as true until proven false - has gotten you so confused with contradictory ideas...the only thing you need to do is the one thing you've been fighting so hard to avoid...go READ and learn about stuff.

 

[Icewrench]

I would really like to see the fukkin stupid poster removed from this once fine forum along with all of the fukkin stupid posters content.

 

[Dauntless]

It would still be better if he would just stop and THINK:

Oh, WHY do people keep saying the SAME things about me over and over?

Grasp the fact you're asking why they ALL keep sending the same message? Obviously because you're NOT GETTING IT!!!!

Oh, you mean the way I post isn't working, so I should be doing it differently. . . ?

It would be easy to ask why that's so hard to grasp. People are assuming that means you don't want to grasp it, that you really WANT to be so annoying. Manners involve self regulating, making adjustments. If you refuse to adapt, you're simply rude. A lot of people here edit posts because they think this or that might have been a bit strong after they post it. They may have been just fine, but they want to do the right thing so they reword it.

This may come as a shock to you, but when I was growing up, I had this, er, VOCABULARY, shall we say a bit to the intellectual side. My age wasn't in doubled digits yet and the adults were already asking what that meant. Yeah, reading was interesting, words I never heard people use were the most fascinating of all. If I really WAS doing it just to piss people off, I'd have gone right on talking that way. . . .

(And I'm not convinced that you really don't get it. People EXPECT that they should be able to open posts and not have it be that THEY are a dirtbag for feeling put off. MOST people here respect other viewpoints that aren't oppressive. That's what's so good about post modernism, being one big joke and all.)

And there's been a lot of those posts I stopped reading for awhile and then forget and opened it, accidentally catching up. (Sigh)

 

[r3volved]

Rapper B.o.B. Claims That Earth Is Flat, Sparks Rap Battle With Neil deGrasse Tyson
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/neil-degrasse-tyson-has-online-rap-battle-flat-earth-rapper-bob-0

 

[nutnspecial]

Hi fellow members.
My thoughts and advice-

If you can't handle opposing viewpoints,
If you can't handle someone's arguing style:

Think before reading/viewing their posted info
Think before posting in threads opposite your viewpoint
Think before lashing out with personal attacks and bullying
This has been happening on multiple threads toxic/not and it's out of hand imo.

I'm opinionated -we all are- but I don't feel I've crossed that line of abuse. I don't seek out others' threads and lash out at people or instigate trouble when argument fails. It doesn't mean what I think is right, or I'm so smart or perfect, but if something bothers you, it's best to remain rational and respectful.

So, if you have a problem with me, or an idea or argument, try to form and convey your point clearly and concisely, while attempting to avoid irrationality, obtusivenss, name calling and putdowns. The last posts off topic in this thread are perfect examples imo.

So, I've requested moderation, because I'm not understanding a valid complaint from this small group, and at the same time I am feeling abused.
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If people are reading this and want to comment, I'd suggest starting a separate thread! That way we're not off topic, and people can post without getting tied to this one!! Respectful constructively critical comments are always welcome.
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On topic, the stuff with b o b is somewhat interesting. I'm hearing neil degrasse and/or nephew are addressing it on social media lol. What a circus eh? I have a feeling this is not the last we'll be hearing about "the flat earth movement". Personally I think yes, it could be (flat), but think it's best to stay objective and continue trying to learn more about nasa, cosmology, astrophysics, astrology, general and special relativity, and history. Really fun imo.