Cyclone 3000w vs Bafang 8fun 1000w

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Hello guys, I need some opinions about this two electric motor!
I have been reading about this two but still can't figure out which one is the best! [/i][/i]


which one is faster?

which one is stronger?

which one has more torque?


which one can last longer without breaking? (daily 30-40km, nothing extreme)

All opinions are appreciated!
 
i have both in bikes laying all over the place....

i wrote a few reviews on both.

But just figured out that after only a month or so the cyclone is starting to rust all over...cheap parts and bolts....the bbshds are still beautful and rust free....

Just one quick observation.....

THe cyclone is pretty loud....the bbshd is silent ...even at 50 amps :)
 
The outsides of the housings between the BBS02 and the BBSHD are not double the width on the HD. However, since the reduction and the end-caps on the housings are roughly the same width, the HD might only be 50% wider (68mm BB vs 100mm BB), but the stator and magnet-rotor are twice as wide on the HD. That also means the HD has twice the copper mass. Knowing that would indicate the HD "should" be able to run twice the amps as the BBS02.

The BBS02 was known to easily run on 20A without any heat-stress, and using 52V meant it could provide a very reliable 1000W. Users who programmed the controller for the max 25A could feel the warmth, but if kept in the proper gear to keep the motor RPMs up, the mechanical end of the drive performed fine, and it didn't overheat at a very pleasing 1300W.

Then...the HD made its appearance. The aluminum housing was thicker and had bigger fins, to absorb heat-spikes, and then shed them. The double-wide stator (and copper mass) would like be able to use double the amps with no wasteful saturation, in order to get the max miles from your battery. There are enough users that we know for certain that...if you give the HD at least 3 gears to use, it will barely get warm at its rated 30A. The stock controller works fine at 48V and 52V. I feel this provides an opportunity for some interesting options.

First, let's find out the heat limits of this drive, that "should" be able to use up to 50A. As long as you keep it in the proper gear, and provide at least 3 well-chosen gears, a temp sensor would likely verify that it's doing just fine with occasional peaks of 50A. That being said, if you use 52V, that would be a peak of 2600W. Other drives have shown that 2600W will cause very accelerated wear on the chain and sprockets. That's not a bad thing if it gets you the hill-climbing performance that you need (like San Francisco?). If so, I recommend sourcing a cassette instead of a freewheel, you will need it...

But, to get to my point. If the drive can use 50A without wasteful saturation, and can survive that heat...a customer might consider using 48V or 44V, instead of 52V. This is because one of the wonderful features of a mid drive is the ability of the customer to change the entire gearing range with a simple chainring swap. Going to a lower voltage, will make the motor spin slower, but the wheel RPMs can be regained by a chainring swap (or left as they are if you're happy with the top speed).

How can that be considered a beneficial option? With today's high-capacity and high-current cells available, a lower series-count in the pack allows you to use a surprisingly small battery pack. Of course, if you want very long range, this doesn't help you. However, if someone had a full-suspension bike frame and you wanted to use a small triangle pack, there weren't many options, until now.

Still, nothing wrong with 52V...
 
spinningmagnets said:
The outsides of the housings between the BBS02 and the BBSHD are not double the width on the HD. However, since the reduction and the end-caps on the housings are roughly the same width, the HD might only be 50% wider (68mm BB vs 100mm BB), but the stator and magnet-rotor are twice as wide on the HD. That also means the HD has twice the copper mass. Knowing that would indicate the HD "should" be able to run twice the amps as the BBS02.

But, to get to my point. If the drive can use 50A without wasteful saturation, and can survive that heat...a customer might consider using 48V or 44V, instead of 52V. This is because one of the wonderful features of a mid drive is the ability of the customer to change the entire gearing range with a simple chainring swap. Going to a lower voltage, will make the motor spin slower, but the wheel RPMs can be regained by a chainring swap (or left as they are if you're happy with the top speed).


Still, nothing wrong with 52V...


Nice extended answer!

Would the lifespan of the BBSHD be reduced if its used with 52v battery? if not, whats the top speed difference between 48v and 52v?

Thanks man!!!!
 
I found some nice information

BBSHD 1000w:
- The BBSHD does best in high torque/high load applications where you want more power with normal pedaling cadences. This drive unit seems to do well at around 30mph although it can go quite a bit faster for extended periods.



Cyclone 3000w
- The Cyclone spins a bit slower but does seem to put out tons of power at lower RPM ranges. It really seems to excel at very high power outputs for highest speed or highest torque. It totally reminded me of the feeling of a stokemonkey motor without the 20lb+ weight. If you are moving lots of weight (think two people on the same bike) or want to go 35mph for extended periods than the Cyclone is a good choice (or a very large hub motor like the 25lb MXUS).
 
Would the lifespan of the BBSHD be reduced if its used with 52v battery?

If your concern is reduced life from heat, definitely use the 52V battery, and limit the amps. The HD will run very cool.

If your concern is the extra power from 52V (compared to 44V/48V), I'm certain the total power is what will wear on the internal mechanical components. By that I mean you can use higher volts and lower amps, or lower volts and higher amps, but...if the total wattage adds up to the same, the wear should be roughly the same.

That being said, if you use 2000W on the HD, the nylon gear will wear out faster than if you ran it at 1200W.
 
spinningmagnets said:
Would the lifespan of the BBSHD be reduced if its used with 52v battery?

If your concern is reduced life from heat, definitely use the 52V battery, and limit the amps. The HD will run very cool.

If your concern is the extra power from 52V (compared to 44V/48V), I'm certain the total power is what will wear on the internal mechanical components. By that I mean you can use higher volts and lower amps, or lower volts and higher amps, but...if the total wattage adds up to the same, the wear should be roughly the same.

That being said, if you use 2000W on the HD, the nylon gear will wear out faster than if you ran it at 1200W.

I see
So, Using 52v and at 2000w the nylon gear will wear out faster than at 1200w

Using 48v would last longer then

I didn't understand you about the heat, is 52v or 48v better for reducing heat?

Thank you!
 
This may or may not be pertinent.

I had a 48V 15ah Ping battery. On my rear wheel HBS 48V 1000Watt Motor. The cables for the motor were thinner then the
controller and would get very hot. They are fused together.
The Ping 48v [Lipo 4 Technology] is more or less equivalent to a 52V Battery [18650 Technology] as it charges to 59V very close to the 52v using 18650 Technology.

I just bought a 48v battery from Calibike, price was very good and he's local so if I need warranty work it's a 20 minute drive.
His battery is much weaker then the Ping. It only charges to 54V. I can tell the difference in acceleration and the top speed is
around 26-27 mph [flat] verse 30mph on the Ping [Flat]

One thing I've noticed is that even riding hard floored all the way my cables are much cooler on the CaliBike.

So I'd have to say that if you apply what is happening to the cables to the motor then a 48V battery is going to be cooler and less wear and tear then a 52V battery.
 
You can't modulate the voltage, if you have a 48V battery, its 48V worth of power all the time. Its the amps that can slide up and down when you modulate the throttle, also...amps are where most of the heat is. If you are using the stock controller at its max 30A, I doubt the BBSHD will get hot. The other power issue is breaking things and having the internal parts wear out (and then needing replacement).

More power = more fun, sooo...you have to decide how much power you want to use, which breaks down into "how often do I want to replace the chain and sprockets", less wattage means the parts will last longer. Lets just say that you decide 1500W is perfect for you. You can get 1500W from 52V X 29A, or...48V X 32A

48V X 32A will run a little warmer than 52V X 29A, and it will have a smaller battery "possible" (meaning if your frame has the room, get a big battery regardless of whether it is 52V or 48V). If you have a full-suspension frame you love, and the rear shock is located inside the frame triangle, and...you want the battery to be mounted in the frame? You will need a small battery to fit, and going to 48V will help.

Heat is a big issue when hot-rodding the BBS02, so I'd recommend going to 52V with it, and limiting the amps (every bit of heat reduction helps). On the BBSHD, heat is not a big issue, so using 44V or 48V at slightly higher amps is a viable "option"
 
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