drop in top speed due to cold?

jondoh

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Hey everyone.

I noticed a drop in top speed from around 33~34 mph to 32~33 mph. It doesn't accelerate as hard as well. Anyone notice this too?

I have 1500 miles on a Pheonix racer with 56x15 ah (more like 53x12ah) milwaukees.

It's started to get cold around here and I wonder if this is the culprit.

Jondoh
 
Your lithium batterie's voltage will drop with colder weather, so this would do it. I have observed the same thing, and my data logger indicates the battery is droping to a lower voltage than during the summer. I have lost about 2 volts already, and I don't think my battery temperature has droped more than maybe 15oC or so. From what I read, this might get worse if I'm crazy enough to go out in -10oC or worse weather some time this comming winter... which I might do if I put a few hundred screws into a couple tires!
 
Yeah... the other morning I sagged down to 70-72v from my nominal 84v. That's a good 3-4v lower than my summer sag. My summer top speed was 29-30mph and now I'm seeing 25-26mph at around 18deg Fahrenheit. Weird thing is that I've been storing my batts in the house over night, which I thought would help. :?
 
Others have already mentioned the battery voltage dropping with decreasing temps.

Another thing that has a surprising effect on top speed is increased air density at colder temperatures. This is the reason that people who keep gas logs for their cars find they get better mileage in the summer than the winter.

Try varying the temperature on this simulator and you'll see the top speed change..

http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm
 
That, and the winter formula gas is often VERY different in a lot of places. But yeah, density altitude is way way lower in the winter usually. For flying in my town, the air in the summer seems like 7-9 thousand feet, and in the winter it seems like 1-2 thousand feet, when we are actually at 4 thousand. It really makes a huge difference to aircraft. We can lift a lot less weight in the summer.
 
Yes, bikes get slower when it gets cold.
http://www.icebike.org/Articles/SlowerWinter.htm

Just wait till it reaches -30, you won't believe the difference.
 
When experimenting, it's DEFINITELY difficult to compare empirical data collected during the summer with what you get as things cool off. I've been stunned by some of the things I've encountered running otherwise reliable gear down to the freezing mark. I'm in Canada, and very envious of our Commonwealth (doesn't mean what it used to, I know) friends in Australia - as we start to cool off, they're just getting pumped to start a new season of longer days and good riding.

Having said that, I'm determined to embrace the cold weather this year and keep playing. Work on a snow-friendly trike to commence shortly...
 
The culprit is... an increase in the battery's internal resistance due to the coldness. When the internal resistance increases, it leaves less voltage for your bike when it's running, and less voltage means less top speed. It also means lower current which also means less acceleration. Insulate your batteries so there internal temperature remains high for as long as possible. See... you want your battery to operate at a warm temperature but it's the opposite for you wires. The only issues of running warm is the possibility of running it too hot which is unlikely in wintry weather and it also decreases the "calendar life" of lithium in general, but I seriously wouldn't worry about that as it's only running warm for a relatively short duration(as compared to its temperature during storage) and you're more likely to see its cycle life expire first if you use it often enough as is implied by your dedication to use your bike during the winter.

There are other aspects, though not as influential, as well. When the temperature decreases, the air becomes denser which increases the air drag/"wind resistance". Another artifact of denser air is lowered tire pressure, so make sure to check that. Also, I think someone also calculated the coefficient of rolling resistance goes up by 50-100% on clincher tires when it's "colder", but I don't know if they controlled the above effect or not. At higher speeds, though, rolling resistance only makes an impact of <1 mph.
 
Hi all,
Just been through all this with my Ping pack. Performance did drop off over the winter months, but as the weather is warming up, the performance of my battery is also improving!
We still have some cool weather, so I am seeing some variation in performance, but overall, it is much better!
So take heart, its only temporary. SLA will suffer worse though!
 
I have noticed a huge difference in torque with change in temp.
I have SLA batteries.

now I take my battery inside when I am at work. and it makes about a 20% difference in speed up hill. I am not measuring torque/current. yet. :mrgreen:
 
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