dumb idea to create a new bike ...

The ones that exploded ? Yes LiFePO4. Are also new, but a better design. These so-called bagbatteries. We tested them. They do not explode but only smoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phlUvIIdWkA

New batteries we use only those elements:

http://liberatorbike.blogspot.com/2013/07/battery-production-30ah-36v.html
 
Sorry we buy them direct from the factory. Large quantities. In cooperation https://www.facebook.com/exobikes?fref=ts
 
how to bend the frame!
6h failure and then 15 min the actual production. 8 frame completed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SBxqzgBIkBg
 

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It is finished:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.532999836776836.1073741836.475677072509113&type=1
 
Plans... Without chain drives. New suspension. Date of production .... the near future :) 2014 - 2015
 

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Hi, my name is Margo and I’m fan of Liberator and hopefully one day I’ll be riding my own Liberator. I’m helping Liberator team to update information about our doings.

This year have been busy - new Liberator, two Liberators under construction and two in design process, new suspension system, preparation work for “Der Hammer” (bike from last post), several other builds and jobs.

More info about Liberators and team’s doings in our English blog:
http://liberatorbike.blogspot.com/
And most fresh information in our Estonian FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Särtsuratas/475677072509113

I hope there will be updates in this topic more frequently, than once-twice a year :)
 
Welcome Margo! Huge fan, 'love the look and "vibe" of Liberator bikes! And thanks for posting all the cool photos in the Bafang BB thread.
 
Thank you Ykick!
Same here, I like the look and vibe, but even more I love riding with one. Suspension version feels like Cadillac, in best meaning of it.

You’re welcome; I try to post more photos and updates. In this thread more about Liberator news and in Bafang BBS thread about our experience with them.

Here is couple of shots of new aluminum suspension system. Little Blue was first bike to get it and pictures were taken, when bike first rolled out of laboratory to test the suspension:
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Love that rear suspension...how does it actually work though? Can you post video of it moving...I'm having a hard time visualising which parts move and which part stay stationary.

Cheers
 
Love that rear suspension...how does it actually work though? ...

Hi Cowardlyduck, yes it's better to show rear suspension working on video, then trying to explain it in my bad English :)
Here's video of first testing:
http://youtu.be/JYIa7r0rqbw
Both front and rear suspension parts are moving on bearings.
 
Great work! Love to own one.

Thank you Allex!
Every Liberator is custom made and if you are interested, you could come to Tallinn to see bikes in person, talk with builders and have a test ride. Stockholm-Tallinn-Stockholm day cruise would be good opportunity for that and to see beautiful Tallinn's Old Town.
There isn't currently any hard tail, but white with first style suspension and rear wheel motor and blue with new suspension and BB motor are in Tallinn.
 
Love the fork! Any word on release date? Pricing?

Thank you senshi!
Fork is beautiful, you can either use it smooth or waffle side outside, or even mill out those triangular shapes and get even more spacious look and personality.

We currently have frame and suspension parts ready for 4 bikes.
Last year we bent tubes for 10 bikes:
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In spring we received our suspension parts, also for 10 bikes:
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Last week we welded together three frames that will be built in August-September:
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Here are some pictures of ready frames and their weld quality:
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Building process with common parts takes usually 1-2 months. Liberator bikes are made by order; every bike will be as customer like it to be. Frame is same for every bike, but it’s buyer’s choice if he/she likes suspension or stiff version; cruiser or regular seating position; wheel or bb motor; small or big battery; fix or with gears; size of wheels; etc.

All this influences price of the Liberator you get. Simplest Liberator (without our custom made suspension system, with small engine and battery, etc) prices start from 2500€ (~3400$). Liberator with every option (full suspension, descent motor and 20 Ah battery, SA hubs, etc) will start at 4500€ (~6100$). If you want for example Rohloff hub or 40Ah battery or some expensive handmade details, then these will raise the price. At the same time you could be pretty sure, that you wouldn’t see another Liberator in exact same configuration.

If you are interested, contact me or user Liberatorbike through PM and write us, what your dream Liberator configuration could be and we can tell you the price, build time and delivery cost.
 
Here’s an example of beautiful white Liberator, which was built last summer.
It’s made on the same new frame, we have currently in stock. It got Bafang BBS01 36V 250W motor with 30Ah battery and first edition suspension. On customer’s request we designed and fabricated custom rear rack:
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This Liberator is now in London, United Kingdom. Customer came to Tallinn and drove it back to London.
Pictures from finished bike:
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Happy owner in Tallinn:
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A beautiful piece of engineering. I was wondering why I have never seen that suspension on a motorcycle before.
All I can think it is just too complicated and expensive for mass production. All those moving parts must introduce unwanted movement with the slightest wear. A bit like the Triumph sprung hub which I am told were great when new but quickly became un useable as they wore and then discarded.

http://tottimotori.blog.tiscali.it/files/2012/12/Sprung-Hub.jpg

A great idea well executed but I think some miles on the dial might make it a pain in the arse.
Still looking at the build quality you may have a collectors piece on your hands. Well done.
 
Modbikemax
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Thank you for recognition and encouraging words.
I agree, without suspension system, Liberator would be much simple bike to build and maintain, but from personal experience, as I have ride experience with both – Little Blue with hard tail and now second generation suspension, plus white Liberator with first generation suspension, then I choose suspension version. But if someone doubts in suspension, there is always possibility to make Liberator without it.

You could be right, that this suspension could be a bit complicated and expensive for businesses ruled by accountants, but as our team is more like fanatics and inspired from own experience and wish to do things better and offer more comfortable ride, then we like to experiment.

Thank you for the scheme of Triumph sprung hub, this is complicated mechanism! We like to think, that our suspension is much simpler. Actually, this second generation suspension system is developed to be simpler and easier produced than first generation.

Some of our team members are former motorcycle riders who have rode them for several decades, owned, built and rebuilt variety of motorcycles, (from bikes to chopper and trikes, etc). With time they came to understanding, that in town, for everyday use, there is no need for big, powerful, superfast or super loud motorcycle and started with electric bicycles. For now they’ve been in electric bikes for more than 10 years. First electric bikes where conversions from regular bikes with handy household electronics. Time has passed and team has also big role in EXO bike development:
http://exo-bikes.eu/
https://www.facebook.com/exobikes
All this has evolved in parallel with EXO to current Liberator and its suspension system – all to make ride more comfortable. Idea for suspension in first place came from need to ride 60-100 km a day, and without suspension, it would be too stressful. So it was designed to make every day commutes more pleasant.

As I wrote in one of posts, suspension is working on bearings to minimize wear. So life of the system depends on quality of bearings. With low quality bearings, they probably wore out faster, but even then, they are easy to change. Other mechanical parts, if installed correctly and without especial destruction should not contact with each other, to minimize wear. Also we use tougher Aluminium to give better quality and strength to those details.

Well, what concerns “I think some miles on the dial might make it a pain in the arse”, then for example first white Liberator:
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with first generation suspension system has covered more than 18 000 km (11 200 miles) within 2 years. That includes riding in every weather condition (from hot sun to heavy rain or snow storms), different pavements, survived several very nasty potholes, etc. Speed range of this bike is pretty big and this bike is heavy, without rider it’s more than 60 kg. Add rider and components of this bike get pretty hard treatment. Within those years battery, motor and tires are replaced and shock absorbers to test different softness/stiffness, but all moving suspension parts have remained same. There haven’t been first generation suspension problems on other bikes too.

Second generation suspension is currently in use and testing on Little Blue:
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Little Blue was converted and second generation suspension installed at the end of May. Since that time Little Blue is in everyday use, from teenagers to grownups and has covered more than 1600 km (1000 miles). As first white Liberator and Little Blue belong to same family, then Little Blue gets much more use than white one, because owner just loves that suspension and quietness of BBS. Those 1600 km have been pure joy, but of course, this isn’t distance to confirm, that it’s best and everlasting suspension solution. Hopefully with new bikes (first ones should be done in August-September) we get even more practice and experience.

We’ll let to know how bikes are coming together and how new suspension is performing.
 
Why is suspension better? Tallinn’s streets, as probably in lot of places in the world, aren’t best for smooth ride and riding without suspension sometimes equals with torturing yourself. But you never know till you have tried it. So here’s little video where we compared with and without suspension bikes. Both bikes are same size cruiser bikes and test was made at 10 km/h speed:
http://youtu.be/uKIDS7ieauU
Our vote goes for suspension, no matter if it’s more complicated or expensive – comfort is also important.
 
It’s been a while since last post, so it’s time for a little appetizer.
As promised, new Liberators are in progress and here are couple deliberately blurred pictures of the first one.

Traditional seating position:
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Cruiser style seating position:
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I would love to take and share with you more pictures, but Liberatorbike prefers to take beauty shots when bike is finished. Hopefully it will be soon :)
 
With little delay, here are pictures of 99% finished bike (last thing missing is kickstand, what’s in building process). This, Liberator Chilly, got Bafang 36V 350W BBS motor, 36V 20 Ah battery and disc brakes.
Last pictures of building:
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Finished Liberator Chilly:
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I also had opportunity to do a short test ride with it and it was comfortable and fun ride as with every Liberator :)
 
Sneak peak of Klaus’s new Liberator Jäägermeister.
In January on renders it looked like this:
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After long building process yesterday was a day, when Klaus had chance to do first test ride with it. Jäägermeister is far from finished, but it moves:
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On this Liberator Jäägermeister we are testing motor configuration and other parts, that will probably be used on Der Hammer:
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More information about this Liberator Jäägermeister and first impressions and pictures are in blog:
http://liberatorbike.blogspot.com/2014/09/progress-of-klauss-new-liberator.html
 
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