Ebike Haters?????

cveit50

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Hi, I just bought my first ebike last weekend. I got the Prodeco Phantom X2 which I really have enjoyed so far. I was out on a ride today downtown at a main intersection and an older man in a gas guzzling Tahoe pulled up and yelled, "use your f@cking pedals you cheating pussy". Boy was I startled at first then I got pissed as I realized there were people everywhere and little kids heard him. I never really gave any thought of people hating on an ebike before this. Is this a widely held perception? Has anyone else had an experience like this or am I alone here? Thanks for your thoughts.

Corey
 
This means progress.. when the demon types are lashing it out it means they are scared......vive le revolution electric!
 
Here they are not aggressive, but use this kind of sneaky tactic.
First they say hello and are very friendly, before..."is this bike legal?" (with a tight voice).
And i do pedal all the time, but with them it does not matter. If it"s 251W, you are a public enemy number one.
"You don"t even break a sweat!"
"There is a limit! 6 km/h! Motor can run 6 km/h!"
"That is not a moped, that is a motorcycle"
"Yeah you drive safely, but you COULD drive faster! You have a chance!"
"Made from a kit? that is illegal!"
"Law says cyclists should be able to go faster than you"
"You know, my friend"s e-bike always breaks up middle of nowhere"
"is that a motor? is that a motor? Motors are illegal!"

:roll:

Nobody has called this cheating yet. It"s too in-your-face, it"s not sneaky. It"s pretty damn boring when you notice that 95% of people only want to talk about the law. They are not interested of anything else in E-bike. What can you do? I think we have lowest amount of E-bikes per capita in the western world here. Many people do not even know these exist. It will change though, slowly.
You can avoid most of it, if you just don"t talk with these people, but it"s hard. Somehow you always tend to say at least something when greeted.
 
Must be the water here. I've never run into that kind of hate. I've been laughed at by others on bikes, and always call myself a cheater in conversations with pedalers. I have had several folks more or less chase me down, just to find out what this cool thing I'm riding 30 mph is. (legal here)

Locals on the bikes think I'm kooky but don't hate me. Last Christmas on the toys for tots ride, I made several friends for life. They had an adult trike towing a huge trailer with a playhouse full of kids. Then the weather decided to give them a 30 mph headwind. All the local hardcore riders were there, like 400 of us. Taking turns pushing and towing that thing, they were all dying after a half a block each. I hooked up with the ebike, and towed him in the remaining 3 miles. All the bikers in town saw this, and were quite amazed.

Some pure anti all bikes hate though. Cars don't know what an E bike is here yet. But I'm always ready to make that dive for life into a ditch. It's why I won't tow a trailer on long camping tours, and made my longtail able to ride dirt. Mostly though, it's not really malicious, just people can't stay in a lane while looking at a phone. It's been 40 years since I had a full beer or a cup of ice hit me in the back at 70 mph, or heard them laughing after running me into the ditch.

I take the lane at stop signs and lights so I can't be right crossed. I leave room on the right for those wanting to turn right to do so. Cars always give me a, "what's he doing there?" look, then I smoke them on the light and they get it. See em grin at me as the finally catch me a block down the road. Soon as I clear the intersection danger zone, I move back to the bike lane.

Anyway, if you are slow, and blocking a car's ability to make a turn, that's one reason you might get yelled at.
 
The guy at my local bike shop told me I was cheating, so I explained to him that it depended what I'm doing. If I were racing pedal bikers, I'd be cheating, but since I'm just trying to get from A to B, I'm not cheating any more than I would be if I drove a car.
 
Move somewhere that people are nicer. 6 years and the only thing remotely close to anything above, was a customer in a bike shop who commented "Isn't that cheating". I responded with something along the lines of drsolly's answer above, though not as perfectly worded so I'll borrow his should the opportunity arise. Sure some of the more elite lycra guys turn their noses up at me, but they have a superiority complex toward almost everyone. Never a peep or question from any of the serious pedalists though. At most I'll catch them looking closer while I'm parked and in the store. That's one of the bigger reasons I keep mine chainless....It compels people to inspect my bikes more closely to try and figure out how they work.
 
Yeah I was just wondering cause i do live in a nice Columbus,OH suburb where people are generally friendly. This was only my 3rd time on the bike and i was just thinking if this is the way it is, I'm going McGruber KFBR392 on his ass.

http://youtu.be/ndf1Y0mH01I
 
Sounds like a typical bully, wanting to push others around. You could always say, "what?" and turn your ear toward him, cupping your hand. When he says it again, say, "What?" Keep acting like you can't hear him and frustrate the heck out of him. Or be prepared with a lengthy sentence in another language. That'll really throw him off. Smile at him, nod your head, and speak a few sentences in German. Pretend you appreciate his compliment.
 
MikeFairbanks said:
Sounds like a typical bully, wanting to push others around. You could always say, "what?" and turn your ear toward him, cupping your hand. When he says it again, say, "What?" Keep acting like you can't hear him and frustrate the heck out of him. Or be prepared with a lengthy sentence in another language. That'll really throw him off. Smile at him, nod your head, and speak a few sentences in German. Pretend you appreciate his compliment.
A Big smile, a thumbs up and a "Danke!" in your best german accent. :mrgreen:
 
I am 100% sure that some magnitudes more people hate cars than ebikes.
Even most cardrivers hate cars. (at least when they must get out of there parked cars on a bussy stinky n' loud street where they self get a pedestrian... :shock:
 
Some people are threatened by those who break away from the herd and dare to do something unique and different.
 
Kent said:
Some people are threatened by those who break away from the herd and dare to do something unique and different.

Which is why France was so vilified a decade ago. They made the right call and got harassed endlessly about it. :(
 
I never got insulted for being on an ebike, but its usual to meet drivers that don't give a frock about you and if you are not carefull, they will pass by you. They don't respoect motorcycles, would them respect me on a bicycle? And people talking about the ebike, i get lots of people joking with me and its usually funny, the bike awakes big interest on some people.
 
zener said:
I am 100% sure that some magnitudes more people hate cars than ebikes.
Even most cardrivers hate cars. (at least when they must get out of there parked cars on a bussy stinky n' loud street where they self get a pedestrian... :shock:

Yeah, I hated all other vehicles too. That was back when I was a cager and loathed traffic. Since my first ebike traffic doesn't phase me at all. When traffic gets bad enough it makes me even safer, because they average near walking speeds. Sure it slows me down some, but I have an even bigger time advantage over a car in the same traffic, so I'm happy as could be living our secret....ie as long as the weather isn't bad ebikes are the best form of transportation by far.
 
This is why I'm glad I'm big and scary looking. A guy actually pulled up next to me a couple of days ago in his car, asked me how fast my bike was, I told him 30-35 mph and he said that it was awesome and drove off.
 
I know it's a pipe dream, but it would be great to have dedicated paths in all cities and suburbs for people who don't want to compete with tons of steel and fumes.

My town (Peachtree City, Georgia) is one of those towns. No, it's not a big city, and it's far off from Atlanta (35 miles), but within our city limits we have dedicated paved paths for electric golf carts, electric bikes, pedestrians, etc. And although there is the potential for accidents, it's extremely rare because everyone is exposed, regardless of vehicle. There's no barrier of steel and glass, such as with regular cars. People aren't going to honk, give the finger, yell, etc., because we're all looking at each other eye-to-eye and very close. It would almost be like if everyone drove a convertible.

Therefore people drive their golf carts like boats, waving to each other and saying hello as they pass. We call from behind ("on the left) when we come upon walkers, joggers or regular bikes. The paths range from six feet wide to ten feet wide, and with the exception of teenage boys, everyone drives safely. The golf carts are all registered with large ID numbers on the side (only about ten bucks a year) and the cops patrol the paths on golf carts, four-wheelers, bicycles, and on rare occasions a regular car (very rare).

Normally I would look at my taxes and think, "What the heck am I actually getting for this?" But here I can look around and actually see and use the facilities that my taxes build. Paths, libraries, parks, pools, and more. It's really cool. (But avoid our local newspaper and the comments section. It's a whine-fest of Teapartiers who think everything is going to hell in a handbasket any minute. Not sure what they are complaining about).

Anyway, I think it could be a model for the rest of the nation.

Granted, for those who are doing a serious bicycle commute of, say, ten or fifteen miles each way, it wouldn't be helpful because of the speed limitations (19mph is the limit), but if you live and work in this town you don't need a regular car. Everything is on the path system, including medical facilities (serious trauma care is outside of town, however).

And another bonus: Even though teenage drivers aren't the best examples of safety (especially the boys), the parents feel a lot better sending them in a 19mph golf cart around town than a car. As far as I know, only two deaths occurred on the path system since it began about forty years ago. One was a lady who fell out of a golf cart and hit her head as it went quickly around a corner and the other was a cyclist who had a head-on crash with a golf cart and died of a head injury (and he was actually wearing a helmet...fluke).

Hopefully I didn't highjack the thread. Just seeking a two-state solution, so-to-speak. A mechanical apartheid.

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Notice in this photo how the path system bypasses main roads using bridges and tunnels. The only time cars and bikes are on the same road is in residential neighborhoods, and that's usually just a crossing of some kind. You can basically go anywhere in town and not have to interact with cagers.

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This is the main road through town for the cars. Two lanes in each direction. The photo was taken from a bridge over the road (the bridge is only for e-vehicles, walkers, etc.).

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And this is the bridge over the state highway (as mentioned above).

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Finally, in this last photo you see a cart path (that's what we call them) along side a narrow, one way country road for cars. It's also an enjoyable place to drive a regular car. Very safe (because it's rare to have a two-lane road without a large median. We have a lot of one-way roads through the trees for the big guys).

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Well, when I got into ebikes, I was very excited and still am. But always wondered why several of my bike friends never were excited for me except for couple. I realized that a lot of bikers just think its lazy.

I've been putting a lot of ebike videos up on youtube and made big mistake of putting trail name in there. Now some guys from local mountain bike club are giving me some grief. So lesson learned to not put that info in videos.
 
It's a group mentality. They feel that they are protecting their "group" by lashing out at "outsiders" and it makes them feel more a part of something. It's usually the guys that are missing something in their lives that have to take down another group to feel better.

That said, there is A LOT of ignorance out there. The number one question that I get is whether pedaling charges the bike. Just that question alone let's you know that people really have no clue what ebikes are for. Even those that are considered "bicycle advocates" can often have a tough time accepting something new like ebikes.

But if you feel bad, the Tahoe driver got what he wanted. I just have to remind myself of the ignorance out there and let those people go. They aren't worth it.
 
cal3thousand said:
The number one question that I get is whether pedaling charges the bike. Just that question alone let's you know that people really have no clue what ebikes are for.

Wait, What? You mean pedaling doesn't recharge the battery? :wink:
 
Interesting thread. Coincidently just prior to the beginning of this thread, I'd put something up on a reasonably purist/hard core MTB/DH site in Australia and elicited a mixture of responses. Some were reasonably positive, some were agnostic but many were very negative. Even when supplying decent sound and rounded reasoning, there were plenty of people with closed minds (just wish those type also had closed mouths...but alas).

Since discovering ebikes myself I can't belive the freedom they provide. Wanna hit up a trail but it's 10 miles (16 ks) from home...no probs, cycle you're arse there on the bike (use as little batt as possible), have a fang on the trails and cycle home again - no car required. Wanna commute to work but it's 13 miles/20ks each way - crikey, that bike you just cycled to them there trails yesterday will do that job for you to. Wanna pull a trailer loaded full of groceries...no probs, that there bike will let you do it without breaking your balls. Granted, you could do all these things on a pedal only bike, just not as easily, and therefore likely not as frequently...or if the fitness isn't quite up to it, not at all.

There is no question at all the ebikes will eventually revolutionise commuting and transport...and if they're designed for a fling around the trails as well, that's a bonus.

But haters gotta hate eh.
 
Have had my fare share of haters because I,m a big guy I always get the comment that if I pedaled I will loose weight. One normally aspirated cyclist attacked me once waving his arms as he rode beside me to scare me off the track. When I first started riding ebikes I was always willing to talk and share information but you could see people not really understand my enthusiasm, now I just keep to myself. Lots of people are sheep and think and do what the crowed do, ebikes are the ones who see through the smoke and mirrors of the car culture and enjoy the freedom of lightweight efficient electric vehicular transport.
I see the message of saving the planet by using alternative energy is too hard for average Joe to understand or change too, they don't want to sacrifice their cars that produce lots of noise & heat with a little bit of forward motion because it has all this power and can get them in safety to where that want to go. What will save this planet faster than what we can develop in alternative energy is how to SAVE energy. Ebike prove this theory very simply and so dramatically with amazing efficiency that we could all start doing immediately with little cost.
 
Holy crap, cveit50, I would have got his plate number, tracked him down and exposed his behavior publicly for the rest of his life. I would have done everything legally to make his life utter hell. No way is someone going to talk to me like that and get away with it. Of course, you were probably so startled (I would be too) you probably didn't think of getting the plate number.

Don't take that crap, man. You deserve better. Every good citizen deserves better. People like that should be chased to the edge of society with pitchforks and torches.
 
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