emoto license fees

[gromike]

Renewing my emoto tabs for my Ryvid Outset in Washington State, and for the first time paid attention to the fees imposed.
A $105 cost for being electric, let alone the $35 weight fee! Seems excessive to me.

Registration License - Renewal	$30.00
Transportation Electrification	$75.00
Electric Motorcycle Registration Renewal	$30.00
Vehicle Weight	$35.00
Registration Filing	$6.00
Registration Service Fee	$11.00
Department of Licensing Service	$0.75
License Plate Technology	$0.25

 

[99t4]

Agree that seems excessive. IIRC that fee is supposed to recoup the "gas tax" that is of course not collected with EV use. Supposed to be used for road maintenance. IMHO, it is an unfair fee, especially if you don't ride much per year.

More fair option would be a tire tax. Seems like it would be correlated more closely to actual road use and wear and tear.

 

[E-HP]

Agree that seems excessive. IIRC that fee is supposed to recoup the "gas tax" that is of course not collected with EV use. Supposed to be used for road maintenance. IMHO, it is an unfair fee, especially if you don't ride much per year.

More fair option would be a tire tax. Seems like it would be correlated more closely to actual road use and wear and tear.

They are still looking at a mileage tax here. 7 to 9 cents per mile. I don’t think there are carve outs for miles driven outside of the state, but I think it’s still evolving and hopefully a while before they do it. We already have the highest gas tax in the country, but they want to charge the EVs…pun intended.
Next they need a walking tax to maintain multi use trails, a studying tax to help with school funding, and maybe a crap tax to maintain the sewer system. No more free sh*t.

 

[99t4]

Well the mileage tax would be more equitable than the annual EV regristration supplement fee.

The main argument against it is that people perceive the mileage trackers as invasions to privacy. (As if their smartphones and online actions are not providing all that, and more.)

I'm still liking the tire tax as more equitable and fair. The calculation should take into account tire's load rating as that more closely predicts the wear and tear to the roads.

 

[neptronix]

Goodness, i spend less to register a subcompact gas car in Utah.

 

[hillslayer@]

My main reason for owning an ebike is to quit donating to a broken system.

 

[99t4]

Goodness, i spend less to register a subcompact gas car in Utah.

"Though EV adoption accounts for just 2% of the HTF revenue shortfall, many states have responded to these funding challenges by levying extra fees on EVs. Thirty-nine states, including Utah, now charge EV registration surcharges of $50 to $250. Nine states also tax public EV charging stations.

The problem? In many states, EV fees are set arbitrarily and punitively high, despite the fact that they are not a viable solution for the road funding crisis. For instance, levying a $250/year EV fee—more than twice what the average ICE vehicle driver pays in yearly federal fuel taxes—would raise less than 15% of the $280 billion HTF shortfall anticipated by 2034."

HTF = (Federal) Highway Transportation Fund

Emphasis mine.

From Electrification Coalition - Utah’s Road Usage Charge: Paving A Road to the Future

 

[neptronix]

Yeah, i know about that.
It's just a lot to ask of a motorcycle, which is going to beat up the roads the least.

Google says the fee is higher, unless you want to report mileage to the state. Ouch!

 

[99t4]

So the emoto rider ends up paying more state RUC (if riding less than 14,400 miles anually) than a gas vehicle driver getting more than 26 MPG (where the state portion of the gas tax is currently $0.32/ gallon)(Utah)?

It's just a lot to ask of a motorcycle, which is going to beat up the roads the least.

Wondering which lobbies are better funded?

 

[neptronix]

Wondering which lobbies are better funded?

Two parties lose when you electrify:
- Fossil fuel companies, who make money on that ( and we have a lot of those out here )
- Government, who makes a lot of tax revenue on the money they make

Yet still, not having to burn gas is priceless.