Fahgettaboudit lock

morph999

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https://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1002&pid=1168

I was thinking of getting this lock for my bike. I just hate getting things stolen and knowing my luck, someone would steal it. My bike is cheap but it looks expensive. Anyone have the lock?

I was also looking at this but this is $200 (Almax) and I'd have to buy it online since it's from the UK. I can buy the fahgettaboudit lock here in my city because I've found some stores that have them.

http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/nu3bkv151/Almax-Immobiliser-Series-III/c-1-69/
 
the lock may be secure but how strong is the post you're locking your bike to? how strong is the cable that you're presumably using to tether your wheels to the lock? can a thief simply take an allen key and unscrew half the components on your bike?

my point is that having a U-lock that's ridiculously strong isn't much use in reality.

<-- me uses a Kryptonite Evolution U-lock that goes around the bike rack (embedded in concrete), the front wheel, and the downtube. a 3/4" cable goes around my seat tube and through the rear wheel and its end is secured to the U-lock.
 
I have that lock and i feel pretty confident that my bike won't be stolen, its also long enough to thread through one wheel and round something solid to lock it to. It is really heavy though. I think you need power tools to break it or maybe a liquid nitrogen attack would do it. That said my bike looks a little home made so I don't think it would be that attractive to bike thieves.. If I had an expensive looking bike then I'd get https://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid=1000&pid=1095 which is the silliest oversized u lock I've seen.
 
aren't those U-locks only really good on bike racks? Seems like you'd be a little limited on what you can lock your bike to with one of those.
 
I would get a less expensive mini U lock. I have the onguard bulldog mini lock, i got it from amazon.com for about 25$. Mini u locks are the best since they cannot be "jacked" open, power tools will beat any lock so don't leave it out overnight... I lock through the rear wheel inside the triangle frame to a solid object. this way they would either have to cut the lock or the rim, its almost impossible to cut a rim due to the tension.

Seriously this is the best lock you can get, I have had 2 bikes stolen(cable locks), and feel very safe using this lock. A U lock is the only way to go. Chains are easy to cut with bolt cutters and are really heavy/bulky.
http://www.amazon.com/OnGuard-Bulldog-5013TC-Bicycle-U-Lock/dp/B000FL3E8O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1234749305&sr=1-1
 
I dunno about that. In Amsterdam, the capital of bike theft, EVERYONE uses chains and few use U-locks.

I'm not sure how common power tool and liquid nitrogen attacks are but I would want a lock that made me feel safe leaving my bike out over many nights, pretty much anywhere.

A U-lock is a big step up from a cable lock. Cable locks can be cut very very easily. Chains are not at all easy to cut. They make them out of various fancy hardened tool steel and you have to cut a link twice to open it, or the lock which is smaller hence easier to make tough.
This one looks nice https://shop.sunrisecyclery.com/item/168

Does anyone have experience on how to best lock up the battery? I got a nice hard plastic camera case for my battery and I'm going to lock a chain around it, then through the drop outs and around the post. For the front tire,I think I'll just leave a padlock on the quick release handle.
 
Nomad, I'm going to be riding my bike to the store and stuff and I really don't think that those places have bike racks so I'm not sure getting a U-lock would be best. Kryptonite claims that the fugetaboutit lock is 12/12 on security so it's supposed to be the best.
 
I work in maintainance at a college. Occasionally I have to cut a padlock off a locker or bike. It's amazing how quick a cutting wheel on a cordless dremel like tool will cut through the hardened steel of a padlock. less than a minute !
Don't get me wrong, locks are great theft deterrents but i wouldn't invest to much more than a simple masterlock.
 
Gordon said:
I work in maintainance at a college. Occasionally I have to cut a padlock off a locker or bike. It's amazing how quick a cutting wheel on a cordless dremel like tool will cut through the hardened steel of a padlock. less than a minute !
Don't get me wrong, locks are great theft deterrents but i wouldn't invest to much more than a simple masterlock.

Would you cut padlocks like ones on these chains?
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kryptonite_noose_big.jpg
 
The main problem I see with the massive chains, is how massive they are... I wouldn't ever want to use it. Storing it on the bike would be difficult. The mini U lock is quick to use and easy to store, I always lock my bike no matter where I am and its not much of a hassle. Its also very secure, as the method of breaking most U locks doesn't work on mini ulocks, but they do limit the amount of objects to can attach too, overall though I really like mine. Most bikes I see locked up have a regular U lock which is still a pretty good method the the mini u lock is just a bit harder to break.
 
*phew*

Thank you, Gordon...

I've resisted sharing my own feelings about this issue (every time I started to compose something, a little voice in the back of my head said, "nahhhh").

I'm nearly 50 years old, and have parked (and locked) plenty of bikes in my lifetime-to-date. Not to take potshots at anyone here, who thinks that the "Fahgettaboudit" lock is a good idea, but for me - it just ISN'T. It's like putting the most expensive lock you can find on the 3" thick solid oak door you install in your house... Anybody who really wants in isn't coming through the front door, anyways.

I stand back and look at my bike. In it's pre-electrified form, it was a 2004 Giant Sedona LX. In 2004 dollars, the pricetag was around $650 Canadian in the configuration I elected to purchase. Right now, the e-bike bits that have been added aside, the thing is a quick-release nighmare. I'm pretty sure that a casual passer-by is not going to free the hub motor from the frame wihout at least a 10" wrench, but...

Here's the thing - the bike, by virtue of what I (and most of you here) have done to it, is a rolling toy store. There are plenty of bits that are easily removable, if you elect to leave them attached and in plain view. My MR-11 based headlights just clip on to the handlebars. The rechargable battery pack that runs them has a quick-release that's attached to the head stock. My seat post (and the seat) are off the bike in a single wrist movement. My panniers and rear rack-pack have their own quick releases... And there's usually a Garmin GPS attached to the handlebars via it's own snap-in mechanism....

You see where I'm going - that my bike should include all of these goo-gahs is my own choice. If I don't trust the neighbourhood I'm in, I can't park it. And there's the rub... putting a chain through the wheels and frame just doesn't cover it, and unclipping all that shit and taking it with me... Nahhhh. Not a comfortable setup.

Going back to what Gordon said, though... A few years ago, I was sitting in a restaurant in Halifax, looking out the window and across the street. There was a big planter there, with a large arrangement of shrubs in it. A kid came around the corner on his bike (nothing weird about *that*) and stopped behind the planter. Then, much to my amazement, he pulled out a pair of bolt cutters that was down the back of this coat and underneath his backpack. The thing was longer than his upper body was tall. He tossed the tool (and a, now broken, SERIOUS chain into the bushes and rode off). Before I could consider calling this in - I honestly had NO idea what street I was on, let alone how to get ahold of the local police... This didn't seem worthy of 911 - he came back. On a different bike with a place to store the tool, and with his jacket and napsack collapsed in the rear carrier. He was also missing his baseball cap. Wouldn't have known it was the same guy, if I didn't see him pick up the cutters and stow them in carrier that ran along his top tube (looks like the kind of bag that you'd store photographic light stands in).

The point is, if someone wants your bike - and is "professional" about it - they'll get it. Carrying a ridiculously heavy chain around may give you a (false) sense of security, but to me - it just ain't worth the weight. Carrying a smaller and lighter cable lock (that's easier to handle and won't mar your frame) is just as sensible. Either will thwart the spontaneous casual theft of your bike... But a "pro" won't care WHAT the lock is made of...

Was it someone here who posted the link to a video made by some journalist down in the U.S. that set about parking his bike in numerous VERY visible places in a downtown setting and then "stealing" it (using the sort of enormous bolt cutters I described above) in broad daylight. Nobody interfered, and when he decided to feign difficulty with the cutters (to prolong the spectacle and interest more passers-by), one guy reasoned that the bike MUST belong the fake thief - why else would he be out in broad daylight with a pair of bolt cutters? After a quick exchange in which the journalist indicated that he'd lost his keys, the passer-by offered to HELP him...

My two cents. Everybody's mindset is different, but...
 
The Stig said:
Would you cut padlocks like ones on these chains?

The answer to that is, "no". I'd cut one of the chain links. That's what the thief I described in the previous post did, and that chain was MASSIVE.

To be clear, though, the tool I'm talking about is equally massive. Almost 3 feet long. An example:

bolt%20cutters.jpg


Yup - that's rebar...
 
philf said:
The point is, if someone wants your bike - and is "professional" about it - they'll get it. Carrying a ridiculously heavy chain around may give you a (false) sense of security, but to me - it just ain't worth the weight.

The extra weight is a good reason to not carry a monster chain, but I'd disagree about the false sense of security part. When I decided on what chain/lock to get I did a brief investigation of the technique's used to get into bikes and chose a lock that could survive a against all but the most extreme attacks. I'd be really interested to know if you can break into heavy chain type locks such as the "Fahgettaboudit" with a big pair of bolt cutters. I'd do the test myself but I'm sure I'd damage the bolt cutters, even cutting rebar which isn't designed for hardness would damge them pretty quick.

Power tools are a different matter but I'm not aware of them being commonly used to steel bikes, the only case I heard of was a team of guys cutting though ground supports of an entire bike shed then putting it into a truck :shock:
 
Interestingly found this http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/winmf/HighRes/kryptoniteforgetaboutit.wmv

Though, the guy looked pretty strong and really know what he was doing and also had a really good pair of bolt cutters. Almax claim there chains can't be cut by any bolt cutters including hydraulic cutters, so look like a better bet for a heavy chain lock.
 
I look at this way. My hub motor is the most expensive thing on my bike. If I could just prevent them from stealing that, I'd feel better.

hub motor = 400
controller = 70
batteries = 75

So I'd basically put the lock through the rim.
 
I'm trying to find a decent motion detection alarm for a bike. Anyone know a good one? What about this one? http://www.c-p-p.co.uk/product/asp/ProdID/2375/af/page.htm
 
Interesting you should mention a motion alarm, morph!

I bought the parts a long time ago, but never got back to the project (just like software design, "security" seems to come low on the project list :)). Basically, I found a small (and very loud) version of the alarms you hear on cars - you know the ones. They give you a recital of various whoops, buzzes, and siren sounds. The thing is small enough to mount inside the seat and runs on 6V.

The circuit behind it was going to be triggered by an accelerometer (I have the chips), and because the alarm siren runs on 6V, I was going to power the whole circuit from batteries mounted in the seat post. My seat post is a quick=release type, so changing the batteries would be easy. I sorta put it aside, because I felt there was probably some "personal security" device out there that I could hack, and thus share the result for others to reproduce.

Never got back to it.

My sense of humour had me including a remote keyfob for the alarm, so that when you park the bike, push the button on the key fob and get that familar nasal "Inh onh" as you walk away and arm the system. Maybe time to paint the bike Ferrari red :)
 
Man I f***in' HATE alarms (alarm sounds.) One day I'll have an alarm that screams bloody murder... I mean a womans voice encoded as soundbite on a chip.
Jiggle the vehicle and it will say "excuse me?"... Muck with it more and it will say "HEY! HEY!... STOP!" in a louder voice. Keep it up and the chip will start SCREAMING at high decibal levels... This plus alarm sent to my communications device... and GPS tracking.

Back in the "good old daze" all bicycles weighed 50lbs (before power assist <hehe>). A fourty pound bike only needed a ten pound lock. A thirty pound bike needed a twenty pound lock. A twenty pound bike needed a thirty pound lock... :)

Personally, I gave up carrying locks. Tried carrying a lock and found I never used it. Why? Because the vehicle is small enough that I can take it with me everywhere. I mean into offices and restaurant patios etc where you never see pedal bikes... I have found that if my vehicle is no larger than a bundle buggy, luggage etc then no one objects... well, works for me anyway.
tks
Lock
(...Yah, now the smartasses here will pun about my name... which actually *is* Lock... but go ahead... ok by me hehe)
 
I'm seriously considering getting this. It'd be worth $100 to prevent my bike from being stolen.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_8610_AutoPage+MA-200+LCD.html

Anyone know what kind of battery I'd need to hook that up?
 
What good lock will do where you have tons off other equipemtnt on ebike.
Now you need to chain every wheel, frame and all rhose gadgets.
What about vandals?
Bike racks are thing of the past when people were honest, unless you ride all beater, but no electric and North American building codes should finally change
and make any provisions for indoor locking like oposite reception area desk in big office tower.
Thick heads buiding designers just copy after another, do they have practical sense? No.
I walk my bicycle most places I go = Home Depot, Safeway, no way I would leave my ebike outside lock or unlocked.
MC
 
miro13car said:
What good lock will do where you have tons off other equipemtnt on ebike.
Now you need to chain every wheel, frame and all rhose gadgets.
What about vandals?
Bike racks are thing of the past when people were honest, unless you ride all beater, but no electric and North American building codes should finally change
and make any provisions for indoor locking like oposite reception area desk in big office tower.
Thick heads buiding designers just copy after another, do they have practical sense? No.
I walk my bicycle most places I go = Home Depot, Safeway, no way I would leave my ebike outside lock or unlocked.
MC

what about with one of those motion detector alarms? Some grocery stores have video surveillance in their lobbies right before you enter, do you think a thief would steal it even though he's being videotaped? I've seen people park their bikes under surveillance cameras without even a lock.
 
It doesn't matter what you do...

There is an "element" out there that just can't resist taking a poke at others' attempts to protect their property. I've witnessed a bike getting attention BECAUSE it had a big lock on it. Some kids passing by saw this monster lock and chain and started making derisive comments about the owner (who was elsewhere). They had a good rattle at the lock, and then started getting rough with the whole bike - until they saw me and ran.

In this case, the big lock and chain was akin to the owner wearing a big sign that said "kick me'...

I'm with Lock on alarm sounds. I live an a fairly affluent neighbourood, and the number of false alarms (particularly car alarms) you hear in a day is a joke to the point that the alarm's only purpose seems to be to annoy. Nobody thinks twice about whether the alarm is real. Statistically, it likely isn't. Putting an alarm on a bike, though, appeals to me at a level that is as humourous as it is practical - particularly if I can get the remote keyfob working... :mrgreen:
 
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