Falco e-Motors

Falco Motors annonced 5-year warranty on their kits on AUG. 12, 2013.
That is crazy!
That's must be the best warranty in ebike industry in the world, correct me if I am wrong.

http://www.prlog.org/12191028-falco-emotors-announces-5-year-warranty-on-its-entire-range-of-electric-bike-motors.html
 
Bike_on: The run-on is not just the three seconds or so of power after not pedaling. The run-on is continuous, like having the throttle on. Going to level '0' or lower will cut the power, but going back to +1 or higher is likely to result in continuous run-on again. If that happens, I stop and turn off the battery for a re-boot. There is no crank sensor. As far as regen vs cogging effect while in pedelec mode, I see a bar or bars in the regen portion of the display console whenever I feel drag. That includes all levels -5 through +5. So I assume some current is flowing to the battery. How much, I don't know. I've noticed the BMS area of the battery getting pretty warm when riding hills and invoking a lot of regen.
 
tomillo said:
Thank you Bike_on

I have tried two different consoles, both full of charge. I will try with the new transmitter once I had received it. I think the problem will be there, hopefully!





Hi Tomillo.Is it getting better?
conseguiste solucionar esos problemas?
 
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More at:https://www.facebook.com/FalcoeMotorsInc
 
Nice looking build with the dual suspension.
- Clean look with the wire wrap covers and wireless module.
- The curved handle bars gives the Falco bike the look of a spread-winged Falcon. :wink:
- Solid looking frame and solid disk brakes.
- A nice OEM offering, except I would change over the single fork to the Cannondale Fatty.


Great job.

Minuses: probably not a lot of pedalling with a single speed in top levels +3, +4, +5 and 750 W system. Pedalling in +1, around bike paths with PAS will get some leg assist.
- Looks like torque bar not secured on rear brake side.
 
Bike_on said:
Tominfaribo said:
Here's Rakesh reply on Regen:
Regen is active all the time. Any time energy is going back to the battery for a fraction of a time, the regen indicator comes on. Although while riding it is quite low. In -1 to -5 modes, regen is intentional as motor becomes a generator. Steeper the hill or harder the pedaling, more the regen. However regen stops if battery voltage exceeds 43V in 36V models and 55V in 48V models.

With the cycle analyst, regen in mode 0 or when going 15mph+ and coasting is QUITE low. I do not see ANY energy going back into the battery on the CA. I may see a quick blimp, but that's it. In -1 to -5 mode, the regen is quite pronounced and varies from 100W to 350W. There may be some back emf effects when riding faster than the winding design, for i do feel some resistance after accelerating up past 20mph and then coasting.

Update:
Rakesh is right, (of course, he designed it). On a steep down hill, no pedalling, my CA did register some regen current into the battery. Typically, the motor will pulse regen (1-2 seconds) after I stop pedalling in PAS mode, in Cruise mode, and up around 20-25mph.
 
very nicely made ebike with no wires mess, clean installation on high quality frame.
But the real beauty is inside that hub providing complete silent, precision controlled ride.
 
contador said:
tomillo said:
Thank you Bike_on

I have tried two different consoles, both full of charge. I will try with the new transmitter once I had received it. I think the problem will be there, hopefully!





Hi Tomillo.Is it getting better?
conseguiste solucionar esos problemas?

Hi, in fact I have sent the motor to Falco USA to try to repair because It never worked well. I was talking about Rakesh in past Eurobike and told me about send the motor to see what happens. I will wait for a solution.
 
Two weeks ago, Falco helped me re-program my motor with new code, via over the internet. The code is suppose to fix some bugs and reset the default motor parameters. The bike feels like a NEW bike! 100% better. I'm not sure why, or what happened( corrupted code?), but the PAS response had required too much effort and went into a regen drag to easily. I was using my throttle for assist to override the PAS.

Now, I don't need the throttle. The PAS is workign great at all speeds and level of input. Response is smooth(er). Still has a bit of a hard turn-off effect, but not bad. The level of input, +1 to +5 scales linear and is usable. On a fresh charge, level 3 will allow a peak power of 850-900W and able to cruise on flats at 28-29mph and maintain 450-600W with a very comfortable effort.

My average speed is equal to the full throttle control and the efficiency is slightly better. (18.2 whr/mi vs 19.2 whr/mi.

I have their USB stick and the GUI interface. After I test out the beta software, i will tweek the motor response parameters if needed. This is a wireless function from the computer USB stick to the motor. Very cool.

Their Console is being re-vamped, but is not ready yet and I have to send it back. Changes to be implemented included Ahrs, Whrs and Power on display. This is an attempt to match some of the cycle analyst feedback parameters, via the wireless console. It hasn't happened yet.

Also, a 1 touch regen function and a one touch throttle button option are to be added.

HR monitor is maintained and pairing of console to Motor is more automatic.

With this latest change, I have seen a broader performance of the Falco 5 phase motor and system. The motor is wound for high speed and seems to run very strong and efficient from 15-30mph. My top gear is topped out now for my bike effort. Hills get 30 amps for torque. Ithink the peak rating is 40nm, some specs say 55nm. It is noticeable NOT a geared motor or mid drive when on steep hills.
 
tomillo said:
Hi, in fact I have sent the motor to Falco USA to try to repair because It never worked well. I was talking about Rakesh in past Eurobike and told me about send the motor to see what happens. I will wait for a solution.


We still believe that the problem is with your battery. We are waiting for the motor. We are happy to check it in our laboratory to verify the motor.
 
Falco Motors,
Is there any Falco dealer in Canada, or do we have to order from USA?
BTW impressive no load speed for Falco 750W motor/controller.
 
Hello I am thinking about purchasing the Falco HX 750 watt motor, how accurate would you say the speed is they say that the 750w motor will do 35mph + throttle only no assist. I am upgrading from a 500w 48v motor that currently does 25mph no assist, I want to be sure this is an upgrade before I pull the trigger. They said they will have the 1000w kits in by January where I live, which would guarantee that I get the extra speed increase, but if the 750w kit truly does 35+ I would be more than happy with that.

*Edit* Wow just saw that utube video, I guess its safe to say your 35mph estimate was with load as with no load that is easily over 100mph.
 
Either it isn't limited to 750W or it doesn't do 35mph on a regular bike. 35mph requires more power than 750W. The high speed no-load is totally irrelevant, and must be the controller some doing some kind of timing advance with increased rpm. That's probably part of what gives it higher than typical hubmotor efficiency.
 
I would be impressed if HX750 can do "only" 30mph with no assist.
You must realize it achives that on 36 VOLTS ONLY - this fact alone tells you a lot about efficiency and how advanced method of control must be, plus is not your typical China 3-phase drive.
But really if it can achive 35mph it would be very impressive , but this can be verified by owners who posted into this thread already, why not to PM them?
So they can post about speed here.
 
Hi there I thought I'd join in the fray here!

@ 36v I can achieve over 30mph on the 250w Torque Sensor (TS) only motor with my eyes closed! My record so far is 43MPH (Indicated). That was slightly down hill but I can't get that sort of speed on my own! When hooked up with a CA the motor is still drawing FULL current (around 17a for a 250w version) at those sorts of speeds.

@ 36v with a 500w TS only motor the record so far is 63KPH (around 40mph) on My Dads recumbent. I know it can go faster, but he's running on V-brakes and doesn't trust them to stop him!

@36v with 750w motor TH (throttle) only at Interbike this year we were getting 28-30mph all day long on a pretty tight demo track. This is all being acheived with our standard batteries. If you were able to use a pack that can sustain a constant 35a draw without too much sag you'll piss past 30mph. To get the best out of the 750w motor you're better off running with a 48v pack if you want the speed, again easily up to and over 30mph with no assistance from the rider.

As the video shows, using the Falco GUI interface, (20" wheel @ 48v) no-load speeds of 212kph (132.5mph) was acheived! If my Math is accurate, that is a no-load motor speed of 2035rpm. The main thing I have noticed with all the motors in the Falco line up is that, regardless of peak or nominal power, they are all still able to pull full current at any of the speeds that I have been able to ride at! I have NEVER been able to outrun a Falco motor! But as above, you can see why!

So the reason why the 750w can do the speeds quoted is that when you're doing 30mph you're still able to pull the peak 1.1 - 1.3kw of power from the battery! When I've played around with 3 phase builds in the past, I made a 48v 25a Puma motor powered Stingray that would easily pull 1.2kw from start, but by the time I was doing 23-25mph it was only able to draw a hundred watts or less to keep me going! So although, yes, at slow speeds it performs like most other 750w motors it performs like a 1kw (3 phase) motor at around 15-20mph and at 30mph or so it is still holding pace with an equivalent 1.3 - 1.5kw motor! Another characteristic that is lent to these motors is that hill climbs don't get effected as much as equivalent 3 phase motors!
Our 250w can punt you up some pretty steep hills either on the rear wheel if you want to go slow and showy or over the normal 15mph you'd be very lucky to achieve with a 3 phase 250w motor if you want to screw with some roadies :) Although my favourite trick at bike shows is to go past roadies on the back wheel doing about 25 - 30mph.

I'm in the process of putting together a recumbent trike with a 750w motor with an AllCell 48v 20ah pack at the moment to see what it can really do! There is an aero body I'm hoping to try out on it too to see how much more can be achieved with less wind resistance! I should be putting up the thread today or tomorrow with some luck :-/
 
Wow, thank you very much Bob for replying. Its pretty much settled I'm going to buying the Falco 750w, but the only thing left is to find a good 48v battery, I am also looking for a triangle battery pack that will fit into a 16" frame if anyone knows of some good sites or vendors. So I should aim for a 48v battery that can sustain 30amps, are the hpc batteries any good I see they have 51v batteries capable of sustaining 60amps that they advertise although 51v might be too much for the Falco which is 55v max.

Does this battery look good?

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bid/4157543902.html
 
The battery from the Craigslist site (48v LifePo4) would work perfectly and has pretty much the same output performance as the AllCell 48v20ah pack I'm going to be using here with our 750w motor.

I can't remember off the top of my head how much leeway there is on the 55v limit, but it's set for pretty much any 48v nominally rated pack.
 
miro13car said:
HybridBob said:
What exact motors are you talking about here ? Bottom brackets motors?
I think we are not talking here the same kind of motor and pedalling/no pedalling.

Check the title of the thread, maybe read the whole thread. He is talking about the Falco E-motors, hence the thread title, it's very simple really
 
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