Gemini electric motor
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TylerDurden
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Can we make this a meme?
care to b more specific which part u find amusing?
without seeing some torque & efficiency curves there's not enuf info to really pass much judgement.
the only thing i can see that might be an improvement is by having a second PM ring in there, the package is more compact than a horseshoe U-shape stator with the equivalent single outer PM ring.
something the inventor explored as well but opted for essentially a U-shape rotor instead via the side plate..
also couldn't find anything on what makes his commutator design unique so can't comment on that either.
i take it these inventor bodies that award
don't count for much, is that the issue?
i would hope that there has to b something of merit to earn the recognition, but who knows.
without seeing some torque & efficiency curves there's not enuf info to really pass much judgement.
the only thing i can see that might be an improvement is by having a second PM ring in there, the package is more compact than a horseshoe U-shape stator with the equivalent single outer PM ring.
something the inventor explored as well but opted for essentially a U-shape rotor instead via the side plate..
also couldn't find anything on what makes his commutator design unique so can't comment on that either.
i take it these inventor bodies that award
don't count for much, is that the issue?
i would hope that there has to b something of merit to earn the recognition, but who knows.
Well, maybe I'm easily amused by bullshit to lure investors.
"The revolutionary and yet simple design of the GEMINI promises to become the world's most energy efficient electric motor and generator.
The GEMINI produces optimum rotational power and torque by using BOTH sides of the energised coil, and it does so without consuming any additional energy.
The GEMINI achieves its outstanding performance by providing in its ingenious design, THREE separate energy fields. Two fields contribute to rotational power and torque, while the third produces independent electricity from normally unused electromagnetic fields within the motor.
The electricity generated by this third field could be used to recharge the GEMINI's battery power source or be fed back into the motor, thus reducing the energy demand from the power source. On electric vehicles this additional power generation could be used to run devices such as lights and horns."
From the business plan:
"It must be remembered, that although the working prototypes are going extremely well, the Inventor is not even an electrician, and
has no qualifications in electric motors. Once Qualified Electrical Engineers are put to work on refining the Gemini Electric Motor, significant improvements can be expected."
"The revolutionary and yet simple design of the GEMINI promises to become the world's most energy efficient electric motor and generator.
The GEMINI produces optimum rotational power and torque by using BOTH sides of the energised coil, and it does so without consuming any additional energy.
The GEMINI achieves its outstanding performance by providing in its ingenious design, THREE separate energy fields. Two fields contribute to rotational power and torque, while the third produces independent electricity from normally unused electromagnetic fields within the motor.
The electricity generated by this third field could be used to recharge the GEMINI's battery power source or be fed back into the motor, thus reducing the energy demand from the power source. On electric vehicles this additional power generation could be used to run devices such as lights and horns."
From the business plan:
"It must be remembered, that although the working prototypes are going extremely well, the Inventor is not even an electrician, and
has no qualifications in electric motors. Once Qualified Electrical Engineers are put to work on refining the Gemini Electric Motor, significant improvements can be expected."
i'm referring more to the underlying concept, if there's anything here as a technique for packing in more magnetic material into a smaller space.
sure there's lotsa ways to generate high torque, the question is if this can improve on efficiency at the same time.
i very much doubt if he's the first one to come up with this anyways.
there's very little fresh ground that hasn't been tilled numerous times already over a hundred years ago.
outrageous hyperbole is standard fare, guess i've become more or less acclimated to it.
sure there's lotsa ways to generate high torque, the question is if this can improve on efficiency at the same time.
i very much doubt if he's the first one to come up with this anyways.
there's very little fresh ground that hasn't been tilled numerous times already over a hundred years ago.
outrageous hyperbole is standard fare, guess i've become more or less acclimated to it.
I'd say this was more than just hyperbole:
"this third field could be used to recharge the GEMINI's battery power source or be fed back into the motor, thus reducing the energy demand from the power source"
I agree, though - either it's more efficient, or not, that's all you need to know....
"this third field could be used to recharge the GEMINI's battery power source or be fed back into the motor, thus reducing the energy demand from the power source"
I agree, though - either it's more efficient, or not, that's all you need to know....
yeah, i know, makes it sound like perpetual motion but i took that in stride as a crude attempt to describe a basic efficiency gain by someone that's not technically trained.
still just window dressing to me that doesn't change if there's any validity to the core idea here, it either is or it isn't.
the lack of test data bothers me more than anything.
simply the slickness of the presentation or lack of same doesn't sway my evaluation of something new or different.
said this b4, been wrong enuf times that i don't automatically laff anymore.
still just window dressing to me that doesn't change if there's any validity to the core idea here, it either is or it isn't.
the lack of test data bothers me more than anything.
simply the slickness of the presentation or lack of same doesn't sway my evaluation of something new or different.
said this b4, been wrong enuf times that i don't automatically laff anymore.
Miles said:
Any attempt to generate power from a third field will consume more power from the batteries from the other fields than it contributes. At best, it could theoretically only generate the same power that it consumes for 100% efficiency (which would still be useless), but since no electromechanical system is 100% efficient, some energy will be lost. The third field will cause more drag than the energy it generates. Period.
I think this whole thing is a scam to lure investors. Also, the "gold metal" award sounds silly and should in itself be a red flag to any investor, IMO.
marks
1 W
This guy received a similar response on the Australian Show "The New Inventors", I judge neither way as I am too clueless with electronics and physics 
http://users.picknowl.com.au/~jpettridge/ is the inventors home page
http://users.picknowl.com.au/~jpettridge/ is the inventors home page
I expect this point has been raised before, but if the third magnetic loop is being generated by the action of the internal fields, tapping into that will 'cost' exactly the same as if it were a normal generator field. If it is a 'spare' magnetic field/source, the energy 'cost' wil still be the same. Nothing is ever for free, I am not 100% sure that this isn't the same dream as the stirling engine has been, lots of promise with almost no realisation of that promise.
Jeremy Harris
100 MW
This is a bit of a resurrection from the dead - pulling back a three year old post that was a bit of a joke when it was first posted!
