Health Insurance in the USA

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marty said:
To see the full price of insurance on the spread sheet, I type $100,000 into the income box. Lowest cost insurance looks like:
Health Republic [Freelancers] $437 a month. Prices are different for different counties. I live in Erie county. Any lower cost insurance companies?


$437/month sounds pretty cheap if that is for you and your wife. It it's for just you then it is a little more expensive than what I found here in Texas. Is that for a "bronze" plan?

I had better luck finding out what full price is by just going straight to the insurer's web page. I think it was unitedhealthcare.com where I found a decent plan for $300-ish for just me. Not bad considering I am 53.

You can get a quote here in about 5 seconds for a variety of plans and all they ask is your gender, date of birth, and whether you smoke:
https://www.uhone.com/Quote/

Wow, I just checked what the premium would be if I was a smoker and it goes up over $100/month for all the different plans.
 
To see the full price of insurance on the spread sheet, I type $100,000 into the income box. Lowest cost insurance looks like: Health Republic [Freelancers] $437 a month. Prices are different for different counties. I live in Erie county. Any lower cost insurance companies?

Remarkable how very cheap that is. That is less than 1/3 the cost of my employer-subsidized health plan, once you include my employers contribution. If I had lost my job before Obamacare, I could have kept my health insurance umder e Cobra Act for only 18 months, if I paid the employers contribution too; after 18 months I would have lost cobra coverage and had to pay even more, IF I could even get coverage. This expense kept me from trying the many entrepreneurial ideas I had over the years, so I hope cheap healthcare frees up younger folks so they CAN set out on their own, and develop technology that contributes to our economy.

It is a great benefit to employers to have their labor pool dependent upon them for healthcare -- when people are afraid change will cause them to lose their healthcare, you can abuse them more before they change jobs. Kinda makes you wonder if the people fighting obamacare are working for the people, or working for the corporations and healthcare industry that give them massive campaign contributions.

100volts+ said:
Obamacare was designed to fail so that a single payer system can be introduced.

Isn't Vermont is doing single-payer under obamacare?

-JD
 
The most important measurement of success or failure will be the percentage of insured Americans in 2014 and 2015 versus pre-ACA.
 
jimw1960 said:
marty said:
To see the full price of insurance on the spread sheet, I type $100,000 into the income box. Lowest cost insurance looks like:
Health Republic [Freelancers] $437 a month. Prices are different for different counties. I live in Erie county. Any lower cost insurance companies?


$437/month sounds pretty cheap if that is for you and your wife. It it's for just you then it is a little more expensive than what I found here in Texas. Is that for a "bronze" plan?

I had better luck finding out what full price is by just going straight to the insurer's web page. I think it was unitedhealthcare.com where I found a decent plan for $300-ish for just me. Not bad considering I am 53.

You can get a quote here in about 5 seconds for a variety of plans and all they ask is your gender, date of birth, and whether you smoke:
https://www.uhone.com/Quote/

Wow, I just checked what the premium would be if I was a smoker and it goes up over $100/month for all the different plans.
$437 per month is Bronze plan for both the wife and I. Same price here https://newyork.healthrepublic.us/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1] commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or "Obamacare"
Without testing this insurance by getting hurt or sick, it is looking mighty Affordable to me. Way to go Obama! I voted for him :D

Talked to two of my wife's doctors. Primary Doctor, Old friendly guy with no computer who prescribes antibiotics for imaginary diseases. He don't take Medicaid or Health Republic. Neurology Doctor, 50 year old guy in big busy 10 story building. They take Medicaid and Health Republic. Girl on phone asked me what kind of Medicaid? I said I have no idea what flavor? I asked her for advise. She said "Medicaid covers everything" She is the person who spends all day dealing with insurance paperwork.

Talked to a girl my age who receives Medicaid. She says it's great and she thinks that the younger doctors are better. She goes here http://www.lifetimehealth.org/Buffalo/BuffLoc/Amherst Big one story building. One stop shop for just about any problem. Pharmacy too.

Medicaid............ I am starting to like the price of free better and better. Wonder if people who pay for insurance get better treatment?
 
Here is a story of how insurance is supposed to work, Healthy NY http://www.dfs.ny.gov/healthyny/

Wife and I fall asleep. No sex. I wake up and talk to her just to be annoying. Notice she is mumbling. Then she falls out of the bed. I put her back in the bed. She puked a huge horrible chunk of our dinner, spinach and chicken. She was mumbling and one arm and one leg was not working. I quickly realized that this is more then I know how to fix. 911. The cop says "She's having a stroke" I was impressed with the lighting in the back of the ambulance truck. I like trucks. After poking around awhile the doctors ask me if I would like them to try a drug with a 10% chance of killing her or making the problem worse. I say - sure try it. Then they explain that the drug has to be administered within 3 hours of the stroke. Its now about 2 and a 1/2 hours. They get a machine to pump the drug into her arm. Now they don't know how to work the machine. I feel like helping to find the instruction manual on the internet but I stay quiet. They finally figure out the buttons on the machine. After pumping the drug into the wife for about a hour, she starts moving her arm, leg and talking. Doctor says "Wow this don't usually work this good". Wife had a great time in the hospital for about a week. She thought it was a hotel with no carpets. Happy to say that she is doing great. No bills. Insurance paid every penny.
 
100volts+ said:
The most important measurement of success or failure will be the percentage of insured Americans in 2014 and 2015 versus pre-ACA.

We have different metrics, I already consider it a success:

+ Now I can't be denied health insurance due to a pre-existing condition.
+ I am no longer tied to my employer for health benefits, a great fear has been lifted from my shoulders
+ My healthcare costs, which had been increasing 10%-20%/year, leveled off immediately after obamacare was passed.
+ Uninsured friends I have been concerned about for years have found coverage and are excited about it.
+ A family member who had an absolute joke of a healthcare plan, had it cancelled, and has signed up for a plan that costs 5% more, but now they can actually get some benefit from it.

I figure the insurance exchange must be a good idea, since it was the cornerstone of both the Republican and Democratic plans back in 2010, so the rough startup is not part of my metric for evaluating success.

-JD
 
so the rough startup is not part of my metric

I didn't mention "rough start up" as a metric. That aside it's been a law for three years
 
from nytimes, 12/20

New Health Law Frustrates Many in Middle Class
By KATIE THOMAS, REED ABELSON and JO CRAVEN McGINTY
Ginger Chapman and her husband, Doug, are sitting on the health care cliff.

The cheapest insurance plan they can find through the new federal marketplace in New Hampshire will cost their family of four about $1,000 a month, 12 percent of their annual income of around $100,000 and more than they have ever paid before.

Even more striking, for the Chapmans, is this fact: If they made just a few thousand dollars less a year — below $94,200 — their costs would be cut in half, because a family like theirs could qualify for federal subsidies.

The Chapmans acknowledge that they are better off than many people, but they represent a little-understood reality of the Affordable Care Act. While the act clearly benefits those at the low end of the income scale — and rich people can continue to afford even the most generous plans — people like the Chapmans are caught in the uncomfortable middle: not poor enough for help, but not rich enough to be indifferent to cost.

“We are just right over that line,” said Ms. Chapman, who is 54 and does administrative work for a small wealth management firm. Because their plan is being canceled, she is looking for new coverage for her family, which includes Mr. Chapman, 55, a retired fireman who works on a friend’s farm, and her two sons. “That’s an insane amount of money,” she said of their new premium. “How are you supposed to pay that?”

An analysis by The New York Times shows the cost of premiums for people who just miss qualifying for subsidies varies widely across the country and rises rapidly for people in their 50s and 60s. In some places, prices can quickly approach 20 percent of a person’s income.

Experts consider health insurance unaffordable once it exceeds 10 percent of annual income. By that measure, a 50-year-old making $50,000 a year, or just above the qualifying limit for assistance, would find the cheapest available plan to be unaffordable in more than 170 counties around the country, ranging from Anchorage to Jackson, Miss.

A 60-year-old living in Polk County, in northwestern Wisconsin, and earning $50,000 a year, for example, would have to spend more than 19 percent of his income, or $9,801 annually, to buy one of the cheapest plans available there. A person earning $45,000 would qualify for subsidies and would pay about 5 percent of his income, or $2,228, for an inexpensive plan.

In Oklahoma City, a 60-year-old earning $50,000 could buy one of the cheapest plans for about 6.6 percent of his income, or about $3,279 a year with no subsidy. If he earned $45,000, with the benefit of a subsidy, he would spend about $2,425.

While the number of people who just miss qualifying for subsidies is unclear, many of them have made their frustration known, helping fuel criticism of the law in recent weeks. Like the Chapmans, hundreds of thousands of people have received notices that their existing plans are being canceled and that they must now pay more for new coverage.

In an effort to address that frustration, the Obama administration announced on Thursday that it would permit people whose plans had been canceled to buy bare-bones catastrophic plans, which are less expensive but offer minimal coverage. Those plans have always been available to people under 30 and to those who can prove that the least expensive plan in their area is not affordable. But the announcement does not address the concerns of those who would like to buy better coverage, yet find premiums in their area too expensive.

David Oscar, an insurance broker in New Jersey, another high-cost state, said many of his clients had been disappointed to learn that the premiums were much more expensive than they had expected.

“They’re frustrated,” he said. “Everybody was thinking that Obamacare was going to come in with more affordable rates. Well, they’re not more affordable.”

Many of the biggest provisions of the Affordable Care Act are aimed squarely at the poorest of Americans. Under the law, states have the option of expanding Medicaid to a larger pool of people with the lowest incomes. To those earning more, the law provides subsidies to people earning up to four times the federal poverty level, or $45,960 for an individual and $62,040 for a couple.

Ninety percent of the country’s uninsured population have incomes that fall below that level, according to one recent analysis. As a result, the subsidies “are well targeted for people who are uninsured or underinsured,” said Sara R. Collins, an executive with the Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that finances health policy research. “That is really where the firepower of the law is focused.”

Federal assistance is based on the cost of premiums for the second-cheapest silver, or midlevel, plan in a person’s geographic area and are set so the amount the person must pay for coverage does not exceed a certain percentage of income, ranging from 2 to 9.5 percent.

Even before the announcement on Thursday giving people with canceled plans the option of buying catastrophic coverage, the law permitted people to select such plans if the price of premiums in their area exceeded 8 percent of their income. The catastrophic plans are often less expensive and include three doctor visits and free preventive care, but require someone to pay almost all of the medical bills up to a certain amount, which is usually several thousand dollars.

That is the option that the Chapmans say they are likely to choose when their current insurance plan, which costs $665 a month, expires in September. Anthem is the only insurer offering plans in the marketplace in New Hampshire, and prices there are higher than in many other parts of the country.

Some experts dismissed the varying effects of the income cutoff, saying the law’s main elements benefit most of those who could not previously buy insurance.

“I think that job one was to make sure that the people who clearly have the greatest difficulty affording premiums receive the greatest help,” said Ron Pollack, the founding executive director of Families USA, a consumer advocacy group that favored the law.

To avoid creating such steep cliffs, federal officials would have had to spend more money on the subsidies, said Larry Levitt, an executive with the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit research group that is closely following the health care law. Subsidies would have been higher, and could have been more gradually phased out, he said. The design “was largely driven by budgetary decisions,” Mr. Levitt said.

The subsidy cutoff can seem especially arbitrary to people whose incomes vary from year to year, even if they stand to benefit from the law.

Christian Johnsen, a bakery owner who lives with his wife and two children in Big Sky, Mont., and has an income of about $88,000, will probably be eligible for subsidies next year. As a result, the family could buy a midlevel insurance plan for about $697 a month.

But if the bakery does better next year, the family could be asked to pay a lot more. Without any subsidy, the same plan would cost $822.

Mr. Johnsen, who is 47, said he would like to buy insurance for his family. They have gone without it for the last two years, paying out of pocket on rare visits to the doctor. But he said it is hard to justify those prices to prevent an unforeseen catastrophe when so many real-world expenses demand his attention first.

“I know absolutely that I’m going to need a new car in two years, but I don’t know that I’m going to have a catastrophic accident,” he said. “That’s the kind of debate that happens in our house.”
 
Luckily I don't have to worry about health insurance this year because the company I work for pays 80% of my premium and big companies are exempt until after the 2014 elections. (how convienent) I'm 55 and would be willing to risk it without insurance but I have a wife to think about so I'm worried about next year. We both work and wouldn't qualify for subsidies. The middle class workers are screwed once again.
 
100volts+ said:
Luckily I don't have to worry about health insurance this year because the company I work for pays 80% of my premium and big companies are exempt until after the 2014 elections. (how convienent) I'm 55 and would be willing to risk it without insurance but I have a wife to think about so I'm worried about next year. We both work and wouldn't qualify for subsidies. The middle class workers are screwed once again.

I'm not following what the problem is here. If you are already getting insurance through work, then nothing should change under the new law. I also get insurance through work and my share of the premiums actually went down last year and stayed level this year. Prior to the law, they were going up by 10 and 20 percent each year.
 
I also have to agree with Oatnet, that it takes a lot of pressure off to know that I can still have access to insurance if I want to change jobs or start my own consulting gig. Fear of losing coverage has kept me from pursuing self-employment for far too long.
 
Update:
Healthy NY government health insurance will be canceled December 31, 2013

Today we received new Univera Cards, Bronze Standard with two bills for $362.59 each. Univera girl on the phone told me to write letters asking to cancel both Healthy NY plans. I am thinking that if I don't write the letters, the Bronze Standard will just fade away due to non payment? Insurance not paid for might be better then no insurance?

NY State of Health web site is still stuck on the Eligibility page.

Where to sign up for Medicaid? Univera girl tells me to call the phone numbers that I see in this file:
Navigator Agency Site Locations
View attachment 1
Called a few numbers. All we got here is answering machines. I hang up.

I wasted enough time on this. Thinking that after the New Year might be a better time to pursue this. Happy Holidays.

God tried to give me a Big Christmas Tree. I am busy learning to cut trees. Got chain saws, harness, ropes, and very little tree removal experience. Ice rain caused it to tip over.
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work your way up the tree, you can tie off higher up as you work up or climb to the top first to tie yourself off and then back down and work up with the saw. use a small saw so you can handle it while climbing and if you don't know how to use a chainsaw practise a lot first. a lot! learn about kickback on the ground before you climb. wear kevlar, no loose clothes at all!! do not reach overhead with the saw. keep the saw on a short tether so when you drop it you don't break it. tether it to your climbing belt. most guys use the little tiny stihl. a big saw is the last thing you need high up. save that to fell the tree.

cut the lower limbs as you work up and have your helper pull them outa the way as you go up to keep the pile from being to big to handle. then when you get to the top you loop the rope around the top section, not too big , use a carabiner on the end of your rope so you can loop twice around the section and then clamp the carabiner back around your lead, and run the rope over the stump of limb where you left it strategically placed to hold the rope, and then your helper can lower it to the ground when you cut through it and it drops. you can cut all the way through from the top side since it leans so much already.

don't try to cut too big a piece each time as you work back down so it is not too heavy for your helper to lower down. they should also try to avoid dropping the sections on the roof but you can write off the roof already so letting the limbs fall on it is not gonna be fatal. you could nail some sheets of OSB down on the roof first so they will skid off onto the ground to make it easier to work since you need OSB to reroof the roof anyway.

keep the area under the tree clear so the helper can work without tripping so they don't get hurt either.

the arborists have a little rope with a pulley in it that cinches around the trunk each time they need to lower the next joint cut off if there is not another limb to hang it from,so they can work back down the tree but since yours is leaning you can loop it over the little limb stump on the top side. wrap it once around the trunk so it doesn't jump off the limb stump, and that provides some friction to keep the load manageable for your help. when you get down close to the top of the roof then put a chain on it and pull it away from the building with your pickup or a come along and then just fell it by notching the side facing away from you garage and cut through from the backside while you helper pulls it away from the garage. should be pretty easy, about 4-6 hours.

do not tell the city. they will condemn your garage and you will never be able to build it back because all the code has changed since it was built.

after you get the tree off, then get several comealongs and chain and heavy rope and run them all the way through the garage and out the other side where you can put a strongback across the top of the garage on the other end to pull against. then hook the come alongs to a big truck or other big trees and pull it back straight upright. you can get it back close to square and if you wanna then reinforce it add some sheets of plywood nailed to the studs facing on the inside to brace it. but before that, go around and renail all the studs through the top plate. you wanna remove the roof to reach the top plate so you can nail down into it and that will allow you reroof too. save the skip sheathing along the edge when you pull it up to renail the plate and then put it back down when done to support the OSB. to be professional, wherever you lay down the new OSB and the joints between the OSB do not lay on top of the skip sheathing then pull up that line of skip sheathing and move it so it is under the joint between OSB sections to make the roof lay flat later.

your insurance agent should total it for you so you should get enuff cash to stand it back up square and reroof with money to spare.
 
it is not trivial. people get hurt doing stuff like this, bad.

if you have no experience doing this kinda stuff i would recommend you go watch the guys working in your neighborhood since there are most probably a lot of trees down.

cutting the limbs off is straightforward,obviously. you can even tie an extension ladder to the trunk as you work up so you have something to work from that is more stable. it is better to make work for yourself creating a stable and safe work platform than having something go wrong and then having to deal with the fuckup.

but if you watch the kids doing it, yes they are all in their 20s, you can see how they loop the rope around the top piece and hang it from another limb so they can support the weight when they cut it off and lower it down.

if the tree was upright and clear of the building then you could cut the sections off and then just push them off when you cut through and let them fall but you cannot drop them on that roof from that height or they will punch a hole through the roof. risk breaking rafters and having the roof collapse then.

you might even wanna consider pulling the tree off the building if it is really loose at the base and you have a strong enuff winch or truck that will pull it upright.

if you can pull and get it upright and away from the building then you could fell it away from the building and not have to climb it at all. nothing like having your own dozer when you need it.

like i said, don't tell the city or they will make you tear it down. you can straighten it up again. and it needed a new roof anyway.
 
100volts+ wrote:
Luckily I don't have to worry about health insurance this year because the company I work for pays 80% of my premium and big companies are exempt until after the 2014 elections. (how convienent) I'm 55 and would be willing to risk it without insurance but I have a wife to think about so I'm worried about next year. We both work and wouldn't qualify for subsidies. The middle class workers are screwed once again.


I'm not following what the problem is here. If you are already getting insurance through work, then nothing should change under the new law. I also get insurance through work and my share of the premiums actually went down last year and stayed level this year. Prior to the law, they were going up by 10 and 20 percent each year.

The employer mandates for corporations were delayed for a year and then again until after the 2014 elections while mandates for small business and individuals were not. However some politically connected entities are granted waivers in perpetuity. Right now we, in the corporate sector, are on pre-Obamacare standards so you wouldn't notice a change...but like Rocksteady said,"You ain't seen nothing yet."
 
100volts+ said:
100volts+ wrote:
Luckily I don't have to worry about health insurance this year because the company I work for pays 80% of my premium and big companies are exempt until after the 2014 elections. (how convienent) I'm 55 and would be willing to risk it without insurance but I have a wife to think about so I'm worried about next year. We both work and wouldn't qualify for subsidies. The middle class workers are screwed once again.


I'm not following what the problem is here. If you are already getting insurance through work, then nothing should change under the new law. I also get insurance through work and my share of the premiums actually went down last year and stayed level this year. Prior to the law, they were going up by 10 and 20 percent each year.

The employer mandates for corporations were delayed for a year and then again until after the 2014 elections while mandates for small business and individuals were not. However some politically connected entities are granted waivers in perpetuity. Right now we, in the corporate sector, are on pre-Obamacare standards so you wouldn't notice a change...but like Rocksteady said,"You ain't seen nothing yet."
One estimate of Obamacare's employer mandate possible effect is below. Mid-2014 through 2015 will be interesting times if it works out that way.

Analysis: Tens of millions could be forced out of health insurance they had
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html
 
I pay an extra $100/month for extensive health, drug and dental coverage in Canada. I do have a basic provincial plan, that is free to me, it covers all the basic services, but other services I do have to pay, like I had to pay for an ambulance ride. However when I even step foot into the USA, I buy extra extensive travel insurance, I have heard horror stories of medical problems in the US. I think the main problem down there, is the greedy hospitals and the corrupt politicians. There was an excellent documentary TV show on health care coverage of countries around the world. And it basically said the best run health care systems in the world, are cheap-to-free for the user, and the billing of services is standardized so the doctor/physician cant "milk" the system or jack up the rates. Seems like common sense.
 
Yeah Obamacare is not a healthcare law it's wealth redistribution affecting mainly the middle class. Like all socialist governments, it destroys the middle class so only the elite and the masses remain. A two class society is born. Stalin pulled this trick off well. Next comes gun control so the masses are neutered.
 
The problem with the Affordable Care Act isn't that it's socialism or that it constitutes redistribution-- the USA desperately needs more of both those things-- but that it doesn't get to the bottom of the problem (which is corporate profiteering upon the people's lives and medical needs).

Other first world countries have medical systems that work better in terms of quantifiable results, cover everyone, and cost a whole lot less than ours before or after ACA. They do it by being more socialistic and more redistributive than ACA, not less. Single payer healthcare has been proven time and again. It does a better job at half the price (or less), and it doesn't leave the working poor out of its benefits.
 
Hahaha I knew my post would bring Chalo out of hiding. You haven't been posting lately. What's up?

PS Redistribution is OK but why from middle class workers like me?
PPS We are slipping out of first world status
 
100volts+ said:
Hahaha I knew my post would bring Chalo out of hiding. You haven't been posting lately. What's up?

Ah, you know-- work, women, other real-life matters. Nothing against E-S.

PS Redistribution is OK but why from middle class workers like me?

That's the rub, isn't it? It's just a matter of bad faith on the part of the rich, if you ask me. They wield more influence than the rest of us, so they corrupt the process in their favor. You can't rob the poor again of what you already robbed from them, so that leaves the middle class-- not rich enough to buy their own laws, but rich enough to fund public needs-- to pick up the slack.

I understand the principle well, even though my income is not middle class. I own my home in the middle of town, and the property taxes amount to about half my own income. Fair? Not at all, unless you think poor folks should not be allowed to own things of value. But the tax was structured to squeeze some wealth from middle-class homeowners, and I just get overbled as an unintended casualty.

PPS We are slipping out of first world status

So are some other first world countries. I argue that socialist policies and income redistribution have helped many of the places that aren't going that way.
 
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