heltec SW01H spot welding tesla 21700 aluminum positive pole

Testing stainless steel small cap.
Turns out to be the strongest infinite weld!
But it is a bit sad as stainless is not thst conductive
 
Do you care to make a video showing the entire process?
For some reason it is not constant success and results. I am testing also nickel laminated carbon steel cap 15 mm cap, it has some success but being close to sealing gasket it is damaged from heat.
Once i get better and constant results i can post video
 
Success! ...in my opinion, anyway. After reading so many comments about scuffing the positive electrode prior, I did this every time and I think it may actually be counterproductive, unless it's actually just that oxidized already. I was able to get a solid spot weld with .15 Aluminum-Nickel and zero scuffing prep. These cells have been sitting exposed without Tesla's white foam cake icing for at least an entire month and I was able to get a great spot weld using the Glitter 811h on power level 20 (out of 99) with dull rounded electrode tips. This could likely be even more optimized and I'm still very happy with the results. Next step is to try to spot weld straight nickel to the aluminum-nickel strip to make the full transition. Would be great to find the pre-shaped button tops in the aluminum-nickel alloy to turn these cells into more easily usable cells. The cell on the left was in the same month long exposed condition as the one on the right with the welded circle peice of strip.
 

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Success! ...in my opinion, anyway. After reading so many comments about scuffing the positive electrode prior, I did this every time and I think it may actually be counterproductive, unless it's actually just that oxidized already. I was able to get a solid spot weld with .15 Aluminum-Nickel and zero scuffing prep. These cells have been sitting exposed without Tesla's white foam cake icing for at least an entire month and I was able to get a great spot weld using the Glitter 811h on power level 20 (out of 99) with dull rounded electrode tips. This could likely be even more optimized and I'm still very happy with the results. Next step is to try to spot weld straight nickel to the aluminum-nickel strip to make the full transition. Would be great to find the pre-shaped button tops in the aluminum-nickel alloy to turn these cells into more easily usable cells. The cell on the left was in the same month long exposed condition as the one on the right with the welded circle peice of strip.
Great news!!!
As i was told, removing oxide layer for spot welding is not recommended and will create opposite effect from tig welding.
I Havnot found nickel plated aluminum caps..wish i will.
YOur picture is not in focus, maybe you can get better one?

Did cell heat up while spot welding?
have you noticed any change to the positive elctrode gasket? Any small bubble or deformity in the gasket?
20% power and pulse time ?
 
Great news!!!
As i was told, removing oxide layer for spot welding is not recommended and will create opposite effect from tig welding.
I Havnot found nickel plated aluminum caps..wish i will.
YOur picture is not in focus, maybe you can get better one?

Did cell heat up while spot welding?
have you noticed any change to the positive elctrode gasket? Any small bubble or deformity in the gasket?
20% power and pulse time ?
I'm not aware of any pulse timing adjustment on the Glitter welder. Yeah, I noticed the crappy pic after I already destroyed the cell by prying on it to test its weld strength. The round seal was still intact though. In fact, I dont think any of the cells failed at the seal, despite destroying so many aluminum caps. After successfully spot welding a circle cut peice of the AL-NI strip to the positive end, I was able to weld a "pure nickel" (aliexpress) button cap onto that. I used it upside down to get a better surface contact area, given the concave shape of the cell's positive electrode, while also trying to stay away from that outer seal. Not ideal... but just to give proof of concept and get it right later. The weld seemed pretty rock solid. Certainly better than anything I can imagine necessary. Later on... unfortunately, upon trying a couple more cells, I immediately blew holes through them as before, so either this welder is not consistent, or I need to redress my neglected electrode tips and try to keep consistent on the operating end. Still doesn't feel like a complete dud anymore, now that I've seen that it does work. I'll work on more and try for better pics when I can find time again this week.
 
I'm not aware of any pulse timing adjustment on the Glitter welder. Yeah, I noticed the crappy pic after I already destroyed the cell by prying on it to test its weld strength. The round seal was still intact though. In fact, I dont think any of the cells failed at the seal, despite destroying so many aluminum caps. After successfully spot welding a circle cut peice of the AL-NI strip to the positive end, I was able to weld a "pure nickel" (aliexpress) button cap onto that. I used it upside down to get a better surface contact area, given the concave shape of the cell's positive electrode, while also trying to stay away from that outer seal. Not ideal... but just to give proof of concept and get it right later. The weld seemed pretty rock solid. Certainly better than anything I can imagine necessary. Later on... unfortunately, upon trying a couple more cells, I immediately blew holes through them as before, so either this welder is not consistent, or I need to redress my neglected electrode tips and try to keep consistent on the operating end. Still doesn't feel like a complete dud anymore, now that I've seen that it does work. I'll work on more and try for better pics when I can find time again this week.
looks you are on the track. i also feel i need to sharpen electrodes constantly,,yet have to give more tests. i have recieved button caps made of nickel aluminum, they are small diameter enough to be far from the gasket and also have high "hat" for welding nickel strips on..so far it didnot work as the stainless steel cap which stuck really hard to the cell but am still at beginning here. one thing noticed though is that welding nickel strips to the cap after already welded cap to the battery gives another heat boost to the aluminum positive pole and weaken the cap-pole weld, in case that is consistent i will have to weld strip to cap and later cap to cell pole..
 
Some new results! Not exactly what I was going for, but this may be a way around the problem, or otherwise useful anyway. Unfortunatelty, I am still getting terrible consistency with the A/N strips. With good electrode tips and more pressure, I get half decent welds, but every two or three welds causes a micro hole (instead of giant holes) and it gases out, so I decided to try some .15 pure copper strip and so far it has worked flawlessly. It loves the copper. It takes some serious power though. Level 60ish on the Glitter 811H makes a pretty solid weld. Once the copper is on, you don't have to worry about putting holes in the cell and the Aliexpress caps (nickel plated steel?) weld solid to the copper with no issue. It's upside down in the pic, but should be no problem the other way. I welded a random peice of nickel strip just for a pull test, which was solid enough to rip around the weld as you would want. Seems I can just find a round metal punch and make a ton of little copper discs from a sheet or strips. I'll continue to explore the original plan, but I think this may work well enough for what I need, perhaps even better, since the welds feel better than what I could imagine the other way, although the copper may be an extra step. Sadly, the 811H was about $400 shipped during an Aliexpress sale, so hopefully there's a cheaper option that can work if anyone else wants to try this method. I'll post more and better pics... maybe a video when I have time with things cleaned up a little better.
 

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Some new results! Not exactly what I was going for, but this may be a way around the problem, or otherwise useful anyway. Unfortunatelty, I am still getting terrible consistency with the A/N strips. With good electrode tips and more pressure, I get half decent welds, but every two or three welds causes a micro hole (instead of giant holes) and it gases out, so I decided to try some .15 pure copper strip and so far it has worked flawlessly. It loves the copper. It takes some serious power though. Level 60ish on the Glitter 811H makes a pretty solid weld. Once the copper is on, you don't have to worry about putting holes in the cell and the Aliexpress caps (nickel plated steel?) weld solid to the copper with no issue. It's upside down in the pic, but should be no problem the other way. I welded a random peice of nickel strip just for a pull test, which was solid enough to rip around the weld as you would want. Seems I can just find a round metal punch and make a ton of little copper discs from a sheet or strips. I'll continue to explore the original plan, but I think this may work well enough for what I need, perhaps even better, since the welds feel better than what I could imagine the other way, although the copper may be an extra step. Sadly, the 811H was about $400 shipped during an Aliexpress sale, so hopefully there's a cheaper option that can work if anyone else wants to try this method. I'll post more and better pics... maybe a video when I have time with things cleaned up a little better.
Seems that copper is another interesting intermediate material. I should try that. In case copper is used to weld to positive side then maybe get all connections from pure copper?

so you welded copper to battery then cap to copper then nickel strap to cap! All those stages did not heat battery and no weakening copper-battery bond?! Sounds good. I had issues after adding welding stages to nickel plated steel caps or stainless caps but i think that in your case copper is much less brittle than all the rest so it may give it well bonding through different heat stages..i dont know just guessing.

As for caps, i think you are buying from lucys quality store on aliexpress? It is the one i am buing from. I messeged seller about the caps and he informed it is nickel plated steel..i recieved another sizes and shapes from seller so i get higher caps and smaller diameter to get cap welded far from battery positive sealer ring.
 

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Seems that copper is another interesting intermediate material. I should try that. In case copper is used to weld to positive side then maybe get all connections from pure copper?

so you welded copper to battery then cap to copper then nickel strap to cap! All those stages did not heat battery and no weakening copper-battery bond?! Sounds good. I had issues after adding welding stages to nickel plated steel caps or stainless caps but i think that in your case copper is much less brittle than all the rest so it may give it well bonding through different heat stages..i dont know just guessing.

As for caps, i think you are buying from lucys quality store on aliexpress? It is the one i am buing from. I messeged seller about the caps and he informed it is nickel plated steel..i recieved another sizes and shapes from seller so i get higher caps and smaller diameter to get cap welded far from battery positive sealer ring.
Mine were also from Lucy's store. That's a good idea about the raised cap, but yeah... cell, copper, cap, nickel. I wish it was more ideal, but if I can find a good metal hole punch for the copper with around a 14mm diameter die, I don't think it is too much work to do. I don't mind spot welding anyway. Sometimes therapeutic, at least when there's consistency. Not so much when it blows holes in cells. I've got 9 model 3/Y modules, so close to 10,000 cells. I can harvest the cells pretty well and fairly quick without damaging them, but I'm still working on a process to clean them up without ruining the plating and causing rust. I can wool wheel them to a new looking shine, but its tough to know when im past the plating. I'm considering making a jig to hold several at once and writing a CNC program to remove all the material around them possible, leaving only maybe .020-.030", then soaking them in some sort of solution to get rid of the remaining layer. Sounds good in my head anyway. I can at least use them in some of my projects in the meantime now, as is. Hopefully someone can chime in on all this with us. I'll continue to post any results I can as I find time to fool with it all.
 
Upon tinkering some more, my 811H started throwing a E01 code, indicating bad oxidation or touched pins causing damage to the unit. Neither was the case, so I'm unsure of what is going on. I didnt want to take it apart and void the "warranty". The Aliexpress seller offered a full refund if returned or 2/3 refund without returning it. On the chance that I can fix this one, I took the 2/3 bait and put another new one on order. I've heard usually good things about the Glitter welders, so I don't feel too dumb about giving one another shot, versus gambling on something else. If I can't fix this one, at least I have spare parts for the new one and extra consumables that it came with. Took like 3 weeks to get my first one delivered, so I guess I won't have any updates for awhile. :(
 
Upon tinkering some more, my 811H started throwing a E01 code, indicating bad oxidation or touched pins causing damage to the unit. Neither was the case, so I'm unsure of what is going on. I didnt want to take it apart and void the "warranty". The Aliexpress seller offered a full refund if returned or 2/3 refund without returning it. On the chance that I can fix this one, I took the 2/3 bait and put another new one on order. I've heard usually good things about the Glitter welders, so I don't feel too dumb about giving one another shot, versus gambling on something else. If I can't fix this one, at least I have spare parts for the new one and extra consumables that it came with. Took like 3 weeks to get my first one delivered, so I guess I won't have any updates for awhile. :(
The way unpredicted things come up without any signs!!! Good luck with your new item.
 
Mine were also from Lucy's store. That's a good idea about the raised cap, but yeah... cell, copper, cap, nickel. I wish it was more ideal, but if I can find a good metal hole punch for the copper with around a 14mm diameter die, I don't think it is too much work to do. I don't mind spot welding anyway. Sometimes therapeutic, at least when there's consistency. Not so much when it blows holes in cells. I've got 9 model 3/Y modules, so close to 10,000 cells. I can harvest the cells pretty well and fairly quick without damaging them, but I'm still working on a process to clean them up without ruining the plating and causing rust. I can wool wheel them to a new looking shine, but its tough to know when im past the plating. I'm considering making a jig to hold several at once and writing a CNC program to remove all the material around them possible, leaving only maybe .020-.030", then soaking them in some sort of solution to get rid of the remaining layer. Sounds good in my head anyway. I can at least use them in some of my projects in the meantime now, as is. Hopefully someone can chime in on all this with us. I'll continue to post any results I can as I find time to fool with it all.
Seen people fully dipping batteries in solvent. I didnot like that. I wasnot aware of rust issues but thinking about steel plating it makes sense it can rust.
I have recived sleeves for the cells so maybe i should add those without any delay?
Although i was hoping to use them after welding caps to positive side then sleeve shrink will create another power support to cap not to disconnect.
 
I know you are determined to develop bulletproof spot welding technique and voted against soldering at the beginning - but since you're still experimenting with an approach that would work - maybe soldering the tabs would work in more consistent way?
I know it's tricky to solder anything to aluminium, but with the help of a soldering acid or dedicated flux it should stick. A little beefier soldering tip should melt the solder instantly without heating the cell (but it shouldn't matter that much on the positive terminal because it's raised a little).
some guy soldering copper to tinfoil:
 
Seen people fully dipping batteries in solvent. I didnot like that. I wasnot aware of rust issues but thinking about steel plating it makes sense it can rust.
I have recived sleeves for the cells so maybe i should add those without any delay?
Although i was hoping to use them after welding caps to positive side then sleeve shrink will create another power support to cap not to disconnect.
I've also seen them dipped in what I beleive was just acetone. Although it's not conductive, I would still probably just dip the necessary amount, since the "JB weld" part isn't near the positive end anyway.. As far as needing to wrap them, it's probably a good idea regardless, but I don't think it will eliminate potential rust. If you've had your cells for weeks already, they're probably not going to rust if they haven't already, unless you try to clean them up and brush past the plating. I've had some cells that I took to a bench grinder and wire wheeled the bulk material off of, then wool wheeled 100% shiny and must have not went through the plating, because some haven't corroded at all. Most did, especially as I got less patient. It's tough to carefully stay within that threshold, without it being so tedious that the time outweighs the reward. Repeatability/relatively low time consuming is the goal for me if I can be so picky. As I've mentioned, I have about 10k of them and can get more very cheap, so finding the right process will be valueable to me, but my time is valueable, even if I mostly enjoy fooling with this stuff.
 
I know you are determined to develop bulletproof spot welding technique and voted against soldering at the beginning - but since you're still experimenting with an approach that would work - maybe soldering the tabs would work in more consistent way?
I know it's tricky to solder anything to aluminium, but with the help of a soldering acid or dedicated flux it should stick. A little beefier soldering tip should melt the solder instantly without heating the cell (but it shouldn't matter that much on the positive terminal because it's raised a little).
some guy soldering copper to tinfoil:
I might try it sometime down the road when I get a beefier iron, but I don't feel like it will show good results. I think it would still heat the cap for too long (maybe depending on the iron) or just take too long in general for a high quantity of cells... or it wouldn't hold up great to any application with heavy vibration. I can't recall when, but ive been wrong before, so I won't rule soldering out. I'm also not aware of current limits through solder connections versus spot welding. I'm looking to pull at least 15A in somewhat short bursts, which may not even work so well with the copper nickel sandwich idea. Just high hopes here...
 
I'm in the same boat.

Don't bother soldering. Aluminium really doesn't like being soldered too. I tried it with special flux and silver-alloy solder wire which is optimized for soldering aluminium and even that failed 2/3 of the time and required heating the cell to very uncomfortable levels. Would not dare doing that to a live cell. The flux also permanently oxidized my soldering tip.

@halfassdiyer if I understand correctly, You had success welding copper discs to the cells positive side? Then you weld a nickel button on top of that, and then weld nickel strips on top to wire them up? Did I understand this correctly?

Why not skip the button part and weld the strips directly to the copper?

Also once you have copper on it, it might be possible to solder to that much more easily than it would be to the aluminium.
 
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The jewelry welder looks pretty solid as a next option. I'll eventually order some aluminum/nickel strip and try that first with the Glitter. I get very little extra time, so will probably be weeks before any results. I'll eventually come back with something.
The Glitter 811H comes with free Aluminium/Nickel Nickel & Copper Samples ... might be an idea to have a play around with them singularly and/or with combo sandwiches first to see how you get on.
 
I'm in the same boat.

Don't bother soldering. Aluminium really doesn't like being soldered too. I tried it with special flux and silver-alloy solder wire which is optimized for soldering aluminium and even that failed 2/3 of the time and required heating the cell to very uncomfortable levels. Would not dare doing that to a live cell. The flux also permanently oxidized my soldering tip.

@halfassdiyer if I understand correctly, You had success welding copper discs to the cells positive side? Then you weld a nickel button on top of that, and then weld nickel strips on top to wire them up? Did I understand this correctly?

Why not skip the button part and weld the strips directly to the copper?

Also once you have copper on it, it might be possible to solder to that much more easily than it would be to the aluminium.
I think you could skip the button, but I would just like to have the positive end raised up for what im using them for, since it falls concave into the cell as is. Maybe just uniformity as well.. it also sort of poses as a hazard of shorting to the negative side, even with a wrap around the cell. Just depends on your end application, I suppose.
 
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