ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

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It’s the end of the world and we know it: Scientists in many disciplines see apocalypse, soon
("Stephen Hawking is one of many scientists who see the possible near-term demise of our species. Spend that 401k! "):
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/30/its...ists-in-many-disciplines-see-apocalypse-soon/Begins:
While apocalyptic beliefs about the end of the world have, historically, been the subject of religious speculation, they are increasingly common among some of the leading scientists today. This is a worrisome fact, given that science is based not on faith and private revelation, but on observation and empirical evidence.

:cry:
 
Hehe... "doomsday rubbish"...

So. 1) Do you believe there are more human animals living on this planet than in any time in the past?
1a) That more of them (a higher percentage) are operating vehicles than in the past?
2) EVer read the constituents of the exhaust from gasoline/diseasal engines? For example:
00966665.1955.10467686

3) Do you believe that vehicles w/engines powered by burning fossil remains would sell as well if the manufacturers reconfigured the engine exhaust to exit into passenger compartments?
4) Do you believe that the earth holds an infinite supply of fossilized plant remains?
5) Do you believe that "larger"(heavier) vehicles require more energy to accelerate?

Just curious.

Tks
 
So. 1) Do you believe there are more human animals living on this planet than in any time in the past?
1a) That more of them (a higher percentage) are operating vehicles than in the past?
2) EVer read the constituents of the exhaust from gasoline/diseasal engines? For example:
Image
3) Do you believe that vehicles w/engines powered by burning fossil remains would sell as well if the manufacturers reconfigured the engine exhaust to exit into passenger compartments?
4) Do you believe that the earth holds an infinite supply of fossilized plant remains?
5) Do you believe that "larger"(heavier) vehicles require more energy to accelerate?
 
LockH said:
Its nice to read an article about world doom without it being mostly about co2.. Since its now the end of winter in the northern hemisphere global warming articles should pick up a fair bit more now, its hard to sell articles of global warming when its freezing outside.
In AU I have noticed over the last 2 months a serious bombardment from ABC news on how great solar is with lots of TV news reports on how we need more solar and the government is stupid not to pay for it, but it looks like its winding down now.

In that article, I like this bit
biotechnology, synthetic biology, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence. In general, these technologies are not only becoming more powerful at an exponential rate, according to Ray Kurzweil’s Law of Accelerating Returns, but increasingly accessible to small groups and even lone wolves.

I like the warning we got a little while ago from Bill Gates, he was saying that even 3rd world states should now be able to engineer super nasty viruses to mass kill people.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/18/bill-gates-warns-tens-of-millions-could-be-killed-by-bio-terrorism
Bio-terrorism could kill 30 million people in a year, says Bill Gates
30 million people doesn't add up to much in terms of co2 reduction as 75million net new people are born into this world every year after deaths.
30million x 0.365tons_of_co2_respiratory_system_activity_person_annual = 10,950,000 tons of co2 a year saved from murdered people not breathing.
Which is a tad more than the yearly output of a 1400MW coal powerstation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Piper_Power_Station

I still also can't get past the idea that once super AI is built someone whos working on keeping it 'bottled' will have a bad day and order the super AI to take over the world and exterminate all humans via a slow painful war just for its own fun, like the Terminator movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Human_physiology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

Looking at this post I can't believe how evil dark and sinister it is.
 
Again with conflating natural CO2 and fossil CO2? It's not a problem if it's part of a closed loop cycle. If it's from outside the loop, it's a problem, because it exceeds the capacity of the system to recycle it.

It's like you won't distinguish between water that flows down the drain in your house, and water that's pooling around your feet and rising. Hey, it's all just water, right?
 
TheBeastie said:
I still also can't get past the idea that once super AI is built someone whos working on keeping it 'bottled' will have a bad day and order the super AI to take over the world and exterminate all humans via a slow painful war just for its own fun, like the Terminator movies.

. . . .Looking at this post I can't believe how evil dark and sinister it is.

Hey, maybe that's what ISIL is.

And all he said was "Looking at this. . . ." Quite a reach to say he 'Can't distinguish.'
 
I said "won't distinguish", which is a common affliction among science deniers. They can, but they won't.
 
There are diseases hidden in ice, and they are waking up:
("Long-dormant bacteria and viruses, trapped in ice and permafrost for centuries, are reviving as Earth's climate warms"):
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up

Starts:
Throughout history, humans have existed side-by-side with bacteria and viruses. From the bubonic plague to smallpox, we have evolved to resist them, and in response they have developed new ways of infecting us.

... includes:
However, what would happen if we were suddenly exposed to deadly bacteria and viruses that have been absent for thousands of years, or that we have never met before?

We may be about to find out.

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Study of global warming 'hiatus' confirms long-range climate predictions:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/22dba825-e009-34a7-a335-95aef4780b39/study-of-global-warming.html

Starts:
As the saying goes, “It's easier to fool somebody than to convince them that they have been fooled.” That seems to be the case for people who reject the scientific consensus on climate change, many of whom cling to the idea that global warming went on 'hiatus' for about a decade, beginning in 1998. New analysis published in Nature finds that the hiatus – sometimes characterized as a decrease in the rate of warming, sometimes as a period with no warming – can be explained by natural short-term variations, incomplete data, and inconsistencies in modeling.

:roll:
 
I wonder what other strange moments might be occurring, or if there could actually be a connection to to the climate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/travel/dooagh-beach-achill-island-ireland/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottomlarge

(CNN)A beach that was washed away by storms more than 30 years ago has reappeared off the west coast of Ireland.
The sands at Dooagh on County Mayo's Achill Island vanished in the winter of 1984, leaving nothing but bare rock and rock pools.
But over the course of a few days in April 2017 the Atlantic returned what it had stolen, depositing thousands of tons of sand and creating a brand new 300-meter golden strand.
 
Hehe... May seem like the only constant on this planet is... change. :wink:
 
For the most part this article makes me angry because its talking about it as if its not an obvious prediction. As increased levels of co2 make vegitation growth significantly easier with little water as the co2 enables plants to create basic plant sugars to do far more work internally with less water.

A new global analysis of the distribution of forests and woodlands has “found” 467 million hectares of previously unreported forest – an area equivalent to 60% of the size of Australia.

The discovery increases the known amount of global forest cover by around 9%, and will significantly boost estimates of how much carbon is stored in plants worldwide.

https://theconversation.com/found-lost-forests-covering-an-area-two-thirds-the-size-of-australia-77550
I refer back the 7-year-old video very little people have watched hit wise because its not aimed at riding people like a political jet-ski for more power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qVNK6zFgE
 
Understanding Carbon Monoxide as Pollutant and as Agent of Climate Change
:
https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_09/

Starts:
Carbon monoxide (CO) is a pollutant that affects methane, carbon dioxide, and tropospheric (lower atmospheric) ozone. It thus plays a role in both air pollution and climate change, and is therefore regulated in many parts of the world. CO is unique among pollutants in the lower atmosphere in that it lasts for roughly a month, long enough for it to be transported long distances but not so long that it becomes distributed nearly uniformly.

Wiki:
Carbon monoxide poisoning is the most common type of fatal air poisoning in many countries. Carbon monoxide is colorless, odorless and tasteless, but highly toxic. It combines with hemoglobin to produce carboxyhemoglobin, which is ineffective for delivering oxygen to bodily tissues. In 2011, 52% of carbon monoxide emissions were created by mobile vehicles in the U.S.

So. Might many folks still drive (operate infernal exploding engines) if the engine exhaust pipe exited into the passenger compartment?
 
Scientists figured out why a giant crack in Antarctica is growing so fast, and it points to an even bigger problem:
http://www.businessinsider.com/antarctica-giant-crack-growing-fast-larsen-c-2017-5

Before 2014, the giant crack was anything but. It barely moved from 2006 to 2014. A new study, published in Geophysical Research Letters, proposes the reason is a special type of ice called suture zones.

Suture zones are made up of a mixture between sea water and different glacial ice. That mixture makes it resilient to cracks and fractures, which is why a 3-mile-wide suture zone in the Larsen C ice shelf has been keeping cracks from moving very far for decades.

A single crack finally punched through in 2014, and it has been easily racing across the rest of the ice shelf ever since. The bigger problem is the other dozen or so fractures in the ice that could still break through.

There's no telling if or when they might happen.

:(
 
Wind farms too expensive to build despite big Scotland goals, basically because water is too deep and craggy underwater rocks push up costs to build, apparently.
How Scottish Wind Power Beat Trump But Lost the War
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-05-17/scotland-fights-to-keep-its-renewable-energy-dream-alive
 
^^ Watt a shame. Somebuddy should invent cargo barges watt can be anchored... OH. Waitasec...
tug-pulling-cargo-barges-on-the-river-thames-b0yxmr.jpg
 
Global warming is making Antarctica green again, and it's stunning
("At current rates, it's not crazy to think that the Antarctic peninsula could eventually become forested again."):
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/cl...aking-antarctica-green-again-and-its-stunning

Includes:
So far, the greening of Antarctica is mostly limited to the peninsula, where two different species of mosses are fanning out at a startling clip, at four to five times the rate seen just a few decades ago. They gain a footing in the summers, when the frozen ground thaws, then freeze back over in the winter. But these layers-upon-layers are thickening, generating an increasingly detailed record of Antarctica's warming climate.

It's perhaps only a matter of time before grasses, bushes, perhaps even trees begin to sprout. As beautiful as a forested Antarctica might be to imagine, it's important to remember that this isn't necessarily a good thing. Climate change is an ambiguous beast; Antarctica might be getting greener, but deserts elsewhere in the world are expanding, sea levels are rising, and weather is becoming more severe.

[Sigh]
 
Scientists say the pace of sea level rise has nearly tripled since 1990:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...sea-level-rise-has-nearly-tripled-since-1990/

Begins:
A new scientific analysis finds that the Earth’s oceans are rising nearly three times as rapidly as they were throughout most of the 20th century, one of the strongest indications yet that a much feared trend of not just sea level rise, but its acceleration, is now underway.

“We have a much stronger acceleration in sea level rise than formerly thought,” said Sönke Dangendorf, a researcher with the University of Siegen in Germany who led the study along with scientists at institutions in Spain, France, Norway and the Netherlands.

[Sigh]
 
Larsen C iceberg accelerates ahead of calving:
http://www.projectmidas.org/blog/berg-acceleration/

Starts:
In another sign that the iceberg calving is imminent, the soon-to-be-iceberg part of Larsen C Ice Shelf has tripled in speed to more than ten meters per day between 24th and 27th June 2017. The iceberg remains attached to the ice shelf, but its outer end is moving at the highest speed ever recorded on this ice shelf. We still can’t tell when calving will occur - it could be hours, days or weeks - but this is a notable departure from previous observations.

:cry:

berg_acceleration_June2017.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_D._Santer
Dr. Benjamin Santer now seems to agree with some of the other climate scientists (who are secretly hated) that the climate warming models are in no way consistent with what the real world average temperatures that show the average temperature hasn't changed for the last 20 years from the best temperature recording technologies.

I think this scientist changing his mind is a big change that could grow into a rolling snowball over the next couple of years into fueling less hysteria about climate change.
To me I can only wonder why he has changed his mind/stance, maybe hes made all the money he needs and maybe hes even feeling a bit of guilt about the hurt hes put on general folks.

John Christy, who collects satellite temperature data out of the University of Alabama-Huntsville, has testified before Congress on the failure of models to predict recent global warming.

Christy’s research has shown climate models show 2.5 times more warming in the bulk atmosphere than satellites and weather balloons have observed.

Now, he and Santer seem to be on the same page — the global warming “hiatus” is real and the models didn’t see it coming.
http://www.mydailyrecord.com/eedition/editorial/2017/06/27/the-new-consensus-on-global-warming/

Another good article on it the new consensus that nothing has changed.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/26352-top-climate-alarmist-computer-models-wrong-skeptics-right-on-pause

Same article as below (but no paywall) http://www.thegwpf.com/climate-models-over-estimated-warming/
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/climate-models-overestimated-temperature-rises-scientists/news-story/3df40de24758698cba22d98743d4e4c5
Climate models were wrong and being updated to better reflect the results of satellite temperature measurements that confirmed a slowdown in temperature rises over the past two decades, a group of leading climate scientists has said.

The admission is contained in a new paper published in Nature Geoscience, which says natural factors and unforeseen events were responsible for models overestimating the temperature rise in the troposphere.

Natural variability included El Nino and La Nina weather patterns and long cycle movements in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.

Unforeseen factors that contributed to cooling included volcanic eruptions, a weaker sun in the last solar cycle and a rise in pollution from coal-fired power plants in China.

The paper, “Causes of differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates”, is the latest shot in an ongoing scientific row over the pause or slowdown in the global temperature rise over the past two decades despite a big increase in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere.

Authors on the paper included Benjamin Santer from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the US, Michael Mann from Penn State University and Matthew England from the University of NSW.

Sceptics have claimed the paper as evidence to support the “pause”.

But authors said the paper ruled out claims the atmosphere was less sensitive to carbon dioxide or that future warming was not a concern.

“None of our findings call into question the reality of long-term warming of Earth’s troposphere and surface, or cast doubt on prevailing estimates of the amount of warming we can expect from future increases in GHG concentrations,” the authors said.

Researchers found that internal variability could explain differences between modelled and observed tropospheric temperature trends in the last two decades of the 20th century.

But it could not explain the divergence for the past two decades, the time of the “pause”.

“We conclude that model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations,” it said.

Unlike many high-profile papers, only the abstract was made publicly available and there was no announcement of its release.

However, in a question and answer paper published by Nature, the authors said one of the lessons learned was that “forcing matters”.

“If we systematically misrepresent these external influences in model simulations, we’ll see differences between modelled and observed warming rates,” they said.

“We need to do a better job understanding how these external influences actually changed in the real world, and we need to put our best estimates of these forcing factors into model simulations.”

Another lesson was that “natural internal variability matters”, particularly when comparing modelled and observed temperature changes with different sequences of internal variability, and over short periods.

Read more in tomorrow’s Inquirer section: Scientists admit puzzling pause in global warming
 
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