ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

[LockH]

Red-hot planet: All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...st-week/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dee5fd61ee2c

Includes:

North America

A massive and intense heat dome has consumed the eastern two-thirds of the United States and southeast Canada since late last week. It’s not only been hot but also exceptionally humid. Here are some of the notable all-time records set:

Denver tied its all-time high-temperature record of 105 degrees on June 28.
Mount Washington, N.H., tied its all-time warmest low temperature of 60 degrees on July 2.
Burlington, Vt., set its all-time warmest low temperature ever recorded of 80 degrees on July 2.
Montreal recorded its highest temperature in recorded history, dating back 147 years, of 97.9 degrees (36.6 Celsius) on July 2. The city also posted its most extreme midnight combination of heat and humidity.
Ottawa posted its most extreme combination of heat and humidity on July 1.

 

[TheBeastie]

If you have been receiving too much doomsday climate change news and don't know what to believe, I recommend you look at "real-world" information for your self.
Because of the internet, you don't need to rely on the mainstream media to tell you whats going on, like Trump on Twitter you can go to the source directly for an unaltered or pre-biased opinion or view.
You can just load up the daily NASA WorldView satellite Arctic snapshots and see its almost solid ice even during the peak of this summer.

https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p=arctic&l=VIIRS_SNPP_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Aqua_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor(hidden),MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor,Reference_Labels(hidden),Reference_Features(hidden),Coastlines&t=2018-07-05-T00%3A00%3A00Z&z=3&v=-5661162.351997475,-2820376.5429944484,4824597.648002525,2905288.8528052284&ab=on&as=2018-06-17T00%3A00%3A00Z&ae=2018-07-05T00%3A00%3A00Z&av=3&al=true

You can also select days/weeks and download an animated gif and chose detail levels so high that it will happily create gigabyte sized gifs for download.
Here it is embedded for your convienence on Youtube
https://youtu.be/UWAn5oG58vU
[youtube]UWAn5oG58vU[/youtube]

The days of hitting that TV-remote button that technically just says "Turn on-tv and drip feed me bad/biased information" is over, use your mouse/screenswiping fingers and go to the real-world information directly.

Alternatively, if you don't think your getting ENOUGH climate change doom news, you can go back over to articles 31years to old of major news papers that have been archived, to find the most respected scientists claiming that by now we should all be under water.
Quote from article. "Dr Andrew Short, of the University of Sydney University's coastal studies unit, warned that a third of Australia's coastline could be changed by the rising sea levels, with more than 50,000 square kilometres of coastal land flooded."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122414542

 

[Punx0r]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, it seems the Barents Sea may have crossed a tipping point:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/barents-sea-seems-to-have-crossed-a-climate-tipping-point

 

[Voltron]

We just had the freakiest nighttime hot winds I've ever felt around here... I'm within a mile of the cool ocean, and seldom gets lower than 50, or hotter than 90.
It was blowing 115 degrees winds at 20+ all day, and still over 105 at 10:30 that night. Everything made of metal like street signs, doorknobs and the bikes I was rolling in were hot to the touch... Normally as soon as it's sundown here you need a jacket the temps drop so fast. For the first time, instead of the ride home on the ebike feeling cold, it felt like riding into a giant space heater with the hot 20mph winds combined with the bike apparent wind. (EDIT.. and this is at 11:00 PM!)
Yes, it's just one anecdotal story, but it was enough that our entire city was starting to ask serious questions about the direction things are headed. Hopefully it won't take the entire West coast bursting into flame to keep it on people's minds.

 

[billvon]

We just had the freakiest nighttime hot winds I've ever felt around here... I'm within a mile of the cool ocean, and seldom gets lower than 50, or hotter than 90.

Yep. The reason denialism will ultimately fail is not due to the mountains of data we have that the climate is changing, nor will it be due to a renaissance in science understanding.

It will be due to people looking out their windows and seeing the changes where they live.

It will be people in Barrow, Alaska, watching their shores erode away because pack ice doesn't protect them for most of the year any more.

It will be because parents in the UK have to put their babies to sleep in dangerously high temperatures.

It will be US farmers losing crops to shorter growing seasons.

It will be Floridians losing their homes to sea level rise and stronger storms.

It will be divers and fishermen watching reefs die due to higher CO2 concentrations in the water.

And the more of these people there are, the more people will laugh when the denier of the day gets on stage, prances around and says "no such thing as climate change! No such thing!"



http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/09/baby-cant-sleep-heat-arent-talking-climate-change/
https://blogs.dw.com/ice/?p=16859
https://caymannewsservice.com/2018/06/caribbean-reefs-sea-level-rise/

 

[fechter]

Alternatively, if you don't think your getting ENOUGH climate change doom news, you can go back over to articles 31years to old of major news papers that have been archived, to find the most respected scientists claiming that by now we should all be under water.
Quote from article. "Dr Andrew Short, of the University of Sydney University's coastal studies unit, warned that a third of Australia's coastline could be changed by the rising sea levels, with more than 50,000 square kilometres of coastal land flooded."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122414542

The old predictions are pretty amusing today.

I liked this quote:

the silver lining is an increase in crop
yields because of carbon-dioxide "fertilisa-
tion".
Tests had shown crop yields could be
increased by extra carbon dioxide, particu-
larly in areas with limited water availability.

 

[Voltron]

Yes, in fact what tests have shown is that food plants grown in high CO2 get bigger, but their nutritional content is all messed up. The carbohydrates they form to try to metabolise the excess carbon reduces the food value, even though the plants look fine.

 

[TheBeastie]

CO2 causing plants to grow more easily because co2 is core plant food is somehow hurting plants is the biggest fake news there is.

Plants are mostly made of carbon so they naturally absorb it through the air via tiny pores called stomata on their leaves, but opening up these pores on their leaves is at the cost of water loss, so the faster a co2 molecule comes along for the plant to pick it up via its pore the better as it means less water loss and fewer pores have to be open and exposed to the elements to receive the amount of co2 the plant needs.

Read about co2 absorption from plants here
https://www.seeker.com/earth/climate/plants-are-absorbing-more-co2-from-the-atmosphere-without-using-more-water
Quote: more efficient at using carbon dioxide to thrive while requiring less water by tightening tiny pores called stomata that permit gas to enter without letting water out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-HcEpliMYk
[youtube]7-HcEpliMYk[/youtube]

Most of the tomato market in Australia is large-scale indoor grown via co2 enrichment, the field-grown tomatoes have never been of good quality in a lot of super-markets as everyone loves the quality of the indoor grown ones so much more, there are probably many factors why indoor tomatoes have taken the market but the fact is only co2 enrichment helps their quality.
Quote from article: During the growing hours of the tomato plant, feeding CO2 into the glasshouse speeds up the photosynthesis process meaning each plant grows quicker and bears more fruit.
https://www.goodfruitandvegetables.com.au/story/3511455/lng-move-for-tomato-glasshouse/

More on the subject in these URLs below..

https://www.naturalnews.com/040890_greenhouses_carbon_dioxide_generators_plant_growth.html
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm
https://dutchgreenhouses.com/technology/co2-enrichment
http://www.greenhouse-management.com/greenhouse_management/carbon_dioxide_greenhouses/carbon_dioxide_supplementation_greenhouses.htm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692178/
http://www.hansvanbebber.de/cms/index.php/heizsysteme.html

Then there are all the reports of incredibly high-quality record yields in outdoor crops yeah after year
http://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/news/media-releases/2017/aus-winter-crop-production-continues-climb
http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2016-09-13/abares-winter-crop-forecast-australia-wheat/7838802
http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2014-02-11/record-winter-crop-for-wa/5251438
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/record-co2-coincides-record-breaking-crop-yields-greening-globe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbxS9evlkQ
https://youtu.be/t5mvDONB6FI
[youtube]t5mvDONB6FI[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpozgIHmcs

[youtube]7RpozgIHmcs[/youtube]


Its believed its making Australia greener all around which is vital to helping more habitat and wildlife survive
https://theconversation.com/found-lost-forests-covering-an-area-two-thirds-the-size-of-australia-77550

http://www.hydroponicadvisory.com.au/sustainable_greenhouse_environment.html

We have gone over this before, I wont be commenting back on clueless morons who just do NOTHING but sit on this forum and drop insults on people and don't provide any insights or urls on science and are obviously incapable of reading and are to some degree mentally sick enough into believing that doing nothing but dropping insults on people somehow deserves any respect.

 

[Punx0r]

You have literally no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Voltron]

Clicking on and reading some of those links was painful... The Nature News one actually has a paragraph titled "Complaining about CO2 is an insult to Mother Earth", and how unfair demonizing carbon is to all the microorganisms in the ocean that have to breathe out CO2.. Do you actually not recognize industry propaganda when you see it?

And all those articles about CO2 enrichment of food just talk about quicker growing and bigger fruit..
(EDIT... As I keep reading them, the focus is mostly on flower greenhouses, not food, so mostly confirming blasting heaters and adding CO2 lets you grow tropical flowers fast in environments not suited to it, all the cost of a lot of excess CO2 production).
But not a word about the nutritional content.. just gushing excitiment about how many can be sold.
The first article is mostly about how they like their big new gas heater for the warehouse greenhouse, so they can pump out big shiny nutritionally empty tomatoes all year long.. because the whole thing is a natural gas industry newsletter.

In another one, the headline is "Winter Crop Report Shows increased Yields". But buried in it is the paragraph warning how summer is going to offset that with reduced yields due to high temp spikes and reduced rain for net losses.
Actually reading the the whole thing, and looking at who it's financed by takes some of the fun out of posting all that "evidence".

 

[Voltron]

Another fun one, the link with the picture of the trees isn't about how CO2 is growing new forests in Australia and protecting wildlife... It's about satellite images being able to detail trees in dryer area not traditionally considered Forest... But it then goes on to talk about how as the climate gets hotter and dryer from CLIMATE CHANGE that it's going to be important to monitor those environments, and how important the Kyoto and Paris climate Accords are to protect our fragile Earth that were still gaining understanding of.
That is the exact opposite of the position you're trying to support... Do you see why that seems wrong?

 

[jimw1960]

It's useless trying to explain common sense to Beastie. He will never get it. He will always seek out and believe only what confirms his politically biased world view. I'd honestly like to get a scan of his brain because it has to be wired completely differently from yours and mine. Hillhater is another one. Had I been suckered in by some of that industry propaganda like he was, and you pointed out to me all of the inconsistencies and inaccuracies as you just did, my mind would think, "Oh wow, you are right. I've been misled." But their minds just dig in deeper. Sadly, they seem to be representative samples of about a third of the population. We will never make progress in fighting climate change with so many willfully misinformed people standing in the way and corporate financing to back their political representatives. We may very well be doomed to extinction within the next couple hundred years.

 

[Ianhill]

Brawndo's got what plants crave.
It's got electrolytes !

 

[billvon]

CO2 causing plants to grow more easily because co2 is core plant food is somehow hurting plants is the biggest fake news there is.

Plants like CO2. Many kinds of plants grow better with more CO2.

Plants dislike drought. Even if warmer weather doesn't change the amount of precipitation, a higher average temperature will result in more evaporation and more drought. And the reduced transpiration loss does not compensate for that.

Plants dislike fire. Even if warmer weather doesn't change the amount of precipitation, a higher average temperature will result in more wildfires that kill plants.

Plants dislike temperature extremes. Warmer temperatures weaken trees and strengthen parasites like bark beetles. Millions of acres of trees in the US are being destroyed by bark beetles.

Ocean plants dislike acidity. A higher concentration of CO2 increases ocean acidity. (And most of the Earth's plants are in the ocean.)

Of course you won't see any of that on FOX News.

 

[Voltron]

Brawndo's got what plants crave.
It's got electrolytes !

HA!

 

[Voltron]

Way to channel Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

That made me want to go get a full body latte after reading that...

 

[Ianhill]

Way to channel Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

That made me want to go get a full body latte after reading that...

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My missus got the avalanche tip in her bedroom bin I'm waiting for a phone call she's gone.

Classic film, clevon''s family tree at the start is :lol: his son say I'm gonna f#$k all y'all and the tree just goes wild one of the best I've seen for giggles.

 

[Voltron]

[youtube]hC3VTgIPoGU[/youtube]

 

[Hillhater]

My ears were burning ???? :lol:

.

Plants dislike drought.

Plants dislike fire.

Plants dislike temperature extremes.

Ocean plants dislike acidity.
A higher concentration of CO2 increases ocean acidity.

Too general.
Different plants prefer different conditions
We have desert trees that grow in extreme heat and minimal rainfall (permanrnt drought)
We have many plant species, grasses to trees, that NEED fire to propogate
The world has some of its most dense vegitation in its hotest areas Amazon etc) ...and still plenty in frigid countries like Canada and the Nordics.
Last time i heard, any water with aPH of more than 7 is considered ALKALINE and since the oceans have always been above 8 . It is incorrect to say More CO2 results in "increasing acidity" .
A reduction in Alkalinity towards Neutral would be the unbiased statement.
But you wouldnt see any of that in the alarmist press !

 

[Punx0r]

What, so because a minority of plants have evolved to cope with wildfires that means all plants would benefit from introducing fire to their environment? No wonder you think more CO2 is good for all plants on Earth on the basis of a contrived example where supplemental CO2 boosts some plant growth under certain conditions.

And yes, a reduction in alkalinity is an increase in acidity. pH 8 is "more acidic" than pH 9.

 

[billvon]

Too general.

Far less general and far more specific than "CO2 is causing plants to grow more easily because co2 is plant food."

Different plants prefer different conditions
We have desert trees that grow in extreme heat and minimal rainfall (permanrnt drought)

Yes, we do. Go out to the desert and note the amount of vegetation you see. Now go to a rainforest and note the amount of vegetation you see.

If we turn more areas into deserts, do you think the amount of vegetation will go up or down?

We have many plant species, grasses to trees, that NEED fire to propogate

Yes, we do. And those areas are seeing more frequent fires. Which means that the new seedlings are killed by the fire before they can produce new cones. And the existing trees are being killed by new pests which thrive in higher temperatures.

The world has some of its most dense vegitation in its hotest areas Amazon etc)

Are those areas wet or dry?

Last time i heard, any water with aPH of more than 7 is considered ALKALINE and since the oceans have always been above 8 . It is incorrect to say More CO2 results in "increasing acidity" .

The oceans were at a pH of 8.2 for hundreds of millions of years. Ocean animals adapted to live at that pH. Now the increase in CO2 concentration is resulting in the formation of carbonic acid, which lowers the pH (i.e. makes the ocean more acidic.) It is now down to a pH of 8.1, which means an increase in acidity of 25%. (pH is a log scale.) This means that corals, oysters, shrimp, lobster - and far more important, plankton - are having trouble forming shells; they are dissolved by the acidity almost as fast as they can be grown. This is one of the big reasons for coral bleaching throughout the world.

If CO2 emissions continue like they are we could see a pH of 7.7 by the end of the century, which would devastate the oceans. It would of course kill off almost all the coral reefs in the ocean, and more importantly start killing off the plankton which converts CO2 to oxygen.

A reduction in Alkalinity towards Neutral would be the unbiased statement.

Is that the politically correct, fossil fuel friendly language that climate change deniers want us to use? No thanks. Save political correctness for when your favorite actor gets his feelings hurt.

 

[Hillhater]

What, so because a minority of plants have evolved to cope with wildfires that means all plants would benefit from introducing fire to their environment? No wonder you think more CO2 is good for all plants on Earth on the basis of a contrived example where supplemental CO2 boosts some plant growth under certain conditions.

And yes, a reduction in alkalinity is an increase in acidity. pH 8 is "more acidic" than pH 9.

Read it again ...
I said " MANY", Not all ! In response to the doom merchants vision of an all destroying firey planet
And no, your grasp of your native language is poor. It cannot be " more acidic"..if it is not acidic to begin with.
That is just word moungering to impart a subconcious impression to a meaningless point.
But you knew that anyway

 

[Hillhater]

If we turn more areas into deserts, do you think the amount of vegetation will go up or down?

How do you know it will be more desert ?
I thought you Alarmist fanatics had dropped the warming slant (due to lack of evidence) and switched to "Climate Change" because of all this extreme .weather you keep highlighting . (Floods , storms, etc)
So we may see a greening of the deserts, or ( if you still believe in that old warming theory), even a thawing of the Tundras , Greenland , etc to enable new vegetation to grow where it never did before.
Havent i read reports that state the world is showing significant more green areas now compared to 50 yrs ago ?

The world has some of its most dense vegitation in its hotest areas Amazon etc)

.

.
Are those areas wet or dry?

Mostly wet (as you know). Much as many new areas will be if your alarmist forcasts of storms, floods, etc are to be expected.
Point is... NO ONE knows what the climate will be like in 100-1000 years time....not even you bill.

 

[billvon]

I said " MANY", Not all ! In response to the doom merchants vision of an all destroying firey planet

It's funny how you go right to the strawman when your premise is shown to be false.

And no, your grasp of your native language is poor. It cannot be " more acidic"..if it is not acidic to begin with.

Tell you what. Go by your nearest hospital and explain to doctors there that there is no such thing as "ketoacidosis" because it occurs at a blood pH of above 7, so there can be no acidity. Go on; it will be fun to watch.

How do you know it will be more desert ?

Because it is already happening.
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The Sahara is growing, thanks in part to climate change
By Darryl Fears
March 29 2018

Earth’s largest hot desert, the Sahara, is getting bigger, a new study finds. It is advancing south into more tropical terrain in Sudan and Chad, turning green vegetation dry and soil once used for farming into barren ground in areas that can least afford to lose it.

Yet it is not just the spread of the Sahara that is frightening, the researchers say. It’s the timing: It is happening during the African summer, when there is usually more rain. But the precipitation has dried up, allowing the boundaries of the desert to expand.

“If you have a hurricane come suddenly, it gets all the attention from the government and communities galvanize,” said Sumant Nigam, a professor of atmospheric and oceanic science at the University of Maryland and the senior author of the study. “The desert advance over a long period might capture many countries unawares. It’s not announced like a hurricane. It’s sort of creeping up on you.”

The study was published Thursday in the Journal of Climate. The authors said that although their research focused only on the Sahara, it suggests that climate changes also could be causing other hot deserts to expand — with potentially harsh economic and human consequences.
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I thought you Alarmist fanatics had dropped the warming slant (due to lack of evidence) and switched to "Climate Change" because of all this extreme .weather you keep highlighting . (Floods , storms, etc)

You are confused. The climate is changing due to the warming caused primarily by our emission of AGW. They are both parts of the same problem.

Hotter summers and winters - warming
Resulting changes in precipitation - climate change

See the difference?

So we may see a greening of the deserts

Wait. You just got done telling us how there are plenty of plants in the desert, because 'different plants prefer different conditions!' There are trees in the desert, you said! Now the desert is barren, but might be 'greened'? It's like you can't even keep up with your own rhetoric.

 

[LockH]

The Arctic 103 years ago compared to today