ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

[neptronix]

Both the left and right media outlets either ignore or twist science to fit their ideals and ultimate goals, and it is best to completely ignore both.

According to TheGuardian, when a 3rd world person moves to the 1st-world their carbon footprint increases by roughly massive 60x times!

You can't really blame the immigrant for adapting to our lifestyle. Many elements of a low carbon/chemical footprint lifestyle are either illegal or made impractical by the systems we live under.

Here in the united states, it is illegal in most states/towns to:
Disconnect your house from the public grid
Dry laundry in open air
Build or operate a highly efficient, low weight 4 wheeled vehicle
Grow food in your front yard
..etc

We should be blaming ourselves.

 

[billvon]

Both the left and right media outlets either ignore or twist science to fit their ideals and ultimate goals, and it is best to completely ignore both.

Agreed. I prefer to get my science from journals like Nature, Science and Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, and sites like NASA GISS, NCAR and UCS. They tend to stick to the science and avoid most of the political stuff.

 

[neptronix]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

 

[rumme]

Cortez wants a 70% tax , to stop climate change ?

Yeah, these dems are insane, they need to be put in federal prison.

Dont forget NASA now claims temps may be cooling . Yes , thats what they have reported . :lol:

Screw it, let the corrupt politicians put 2 separate taxes on us slaves. A global warming tax and a global cooling tax.
If people are that stupid to accept it, then so be it. Meanwhile, these same corrupt politicians will fly their lear jets and travel by vast motorcades. Yeah, they really care about global climate change.

 

[rumme]

Both the left and right media outlets either ignore or twist science to fit their ideals and ultimate goals, and it is best to completely ignore both.

Agreed. I prefer to get my science from journals like Nature, Science and Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, and sites like NASA GISS, NCAR and UCS. They tend to stick to the science and avoid most of the political stuff.

Nasa, has predicted a cool down to now occur. Many science journals from the mid 70s, claimed a new ice age was DEFINITELY on the way. Did you put 100% trust in those scientific claims back then ?

These so called experts, can tell us any bullshit they wish , and since none of us can truly test the massive and complex data points { like yearly CO2 output of volcanos or humans } , we are victimized by which ever side of the issue we want to embrace. I chose to distrust the side of the issue, that hands corrupt politcians a "claimed event " that results in trillions of dollars of more taxes upon us slaves.

Politicians are more concerned about their livlihoods, their lobbyist money, their insider trading , and living like kings and queens along with getting the best healthcare, retirement and secret service/bodyguard protections possible .

 

[rumme]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

Well we know for sure, Al Gore doesnt tell the truth about it . We can also assume, that many corrupt politicians dont care about us slaves or the environment, but if they can tax us trillions of dollars in the name of global warming, they would love to do it.

 

[Voltron]

Even if some want to make a profit off of this crisis, that's no reason to refuse to take action, or to even admit there's a problem.
With the ever increasing data from independent sources around the world, your really shoving your head in a muddy hole in the ground thats going to fill up pretty quick if you're not seeing the reality of it.

 

[rumme]

Even if some want to make a profit off of this crisis, that's no reason to refuse to take action, or to even admit there's a problem.
With the ever increasing data from independent sources around the world, your really shoving your head in a muddy hole in the ground thats going to fill up pretty quick if you're not seeing the reality of it.

I already take action. I conserve food and water , do very little commuting and use my ebike for a lot of commuting locally. I grow a garden , Ive never owned a diesel vehicle because I feel they are to polluting , etc.


Experts claimed a ice age was coming, it never happened. Al gore claimed all the icebergs may be melted by early 2000, it never happened , experts claimed a huge earthquake would send CA into the sea , it never happened. Are you seriously trying to insinuate we should all sit back and trust politcians and people who have a bad track record of claims , and accept trillions of dollars in new taxation, because they tell us that money is needed to stop global climate change and the end of humanity ? Ive been on both sides of the issue, and used to fall for their lies...not anymore. When trillions of dollars in new taxes are part of haulting " doomsday claims" , I am highly suspicious .


FWIW...numerous experts a few decades ago, from all over the world, claimed the new ice age was fast approaching and a cooldown was the trend. They even had the satellite images to prove it , and all the graphs, charts and numbers . By the way, NASA now says global warming isnt the big issue, but global COOLING. lol....

31,487 scientists { just in the U.S. alone ! } reject the global warming claims.....

http://www.petitionproject.org/

 

[billvon]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

Agreed. Unfortunately, most people only want to see "their side win" no matter what the truth is. (See the posts above.)

 

[rumme]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

Agreed. Unfortunately, most people only want to see "their side win" no matter what the truth is. (See the posts above.)

Yes, you fall in that category. You only pick and chose data you wish to accept. You are no different then the rest of us. I can provide data to counter your data, as proof your global warming claims, are bullshit. Besides, you admitted you trust NASA and their info. Read this and weep,

NASA ADMITS GLOBAL TEMPERATURES DROPPED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS :
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-global-warming-earth-cooling-media-bias/

 

[rumme]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

Agreed. Unfortunately, most people only want to see "their side win" no matter what the truth is. (See the posts above.)

No, I want your side to win, and then I want you to live in neighborhoods with criminal illegal immigrants and I want you to pay a 70% tax rate to stop global warming, since you are a advocate for such insane issues. Ill let you win, as long as you dont force the consequences upon others who do not embrace your insane California liberal ideas.

 

[rumme]

That should be standard practice, in addition to examining what the contrarians have to say on occasion.

I just want to know the truth, whether it is beautiful or ugly.

Agreed. Unfortunately, most people only want to see "their side win" no matter what the truth is. (See the posts above.)

You put your trust in these entities...I do NOT !

" QUOTE " - There was the study published in the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate showing that climate models exaggerate global warming from CO2 emissions by as much as 45%. It was ignored.

end quote.

 

[Voltron]

Those points you make are just not true Rumme. Exxons own internal documents from their scientists recognized the signs of global warming, and the need for them to start hiding the facts from the public, and paying off fringe scientists to blow smoke about the scientific consensus. Those fringe scientists are the only ones who ever claimed there was going to be a new Ice Age.

And no reputable person has ever claimed there will be a big enough earthquake to shear of the continental shelf sending California sliding into the ocean.

That you even still try to prop up your worldview with such silly and widely debunked talking points is just mentally lazy.

 

[rumme]

Those points you make are just not true Rumme. Exxons own internal documents from their scientists recognized the signs of global warming, and the need for them to start hiding the facts from the public, and paying off fringe scientists to blow smoke about the scientific consensus. Those fringe scientists are the only ones who ever claimed there was going to be a new Ice Age.

And no reputable person has ever claimed there will be a big enough earthquake to shear of the continental shelf sending California sliding into the ocean.

That you even still try to prop up your worldview with such silly and widely debunked talking points is just mentally lazy.

I shoulda said " sending part of CA into the ocean" . Yes, I was to vague.

global climate change is part of this realm, been happening for eons. Trillions of dollars in new taxes by the hands of corrupt politcians, wont stop it. That is the facts. You may buy into the global warming doomsday fiasco, I dont. Besides, NASA now admits we are in global cool down. Is NASA being " paid off" to report we have a global cool
down ?

Modern day vehicles, are MUCH better at efficiency and less pollutants then just a few decades ago. How come that never seems to be mentioned, by the doomsday global warming loons ? Food production , mining and many other sectors are also cleaner then just a few decades ago. There have been advancements made , but of course they tell us we need much more...TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS more, in taxes. Yeah, I trust them, because they care so much about us slaves.

 

[Voltron]

And it's hilarious how you refuse to accept any contrary information from scientific journals because it's part of a paid hoax, but repost articles from paid financial news websites as "evidence". I wonder which group how been found to lie for profit again and again.

 

[rumme]

And it's hilarious how you refuse to accept any contrary information from scientific journals because it's part of a paid hoax, but repost articles from paid financial news websites as "evidence". I wonder which group how been found to lie for profit again and again.

IS NASA BEING PAID OFF, TO REPORT WE ARE IN A GLOBAL COOL DOWN ?

why do you ignore that ?

 

[Voltron]

NASA actually just put out a report where new data from a network of sensor bouys puts 2018 as the warmest year on record.
I guess you were just being vague again, not just lying.

 

[rumme]

NASA actually just put out a report where new data from a network of sensor bouys puts 2018 as the warmest year on record.
I guess you were just being vague again, not just lying.

Then this is a lie, from NASA ?

https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/

Once again, we all get to pick and chose the data we wish. I try and conserve as much as possible, and do so, more then most people. However, when corrupt greedy politcians, tell us they have to tax us trillions more dollars, to stop global climate change, I do not support such a agenda.

 

[rumme]

NASA actually just put out a report where new data from a network of sensor bouys puts 2018 as the warmest year on record.
I guess you were just being vague again, not just lying.

and Ive read reports that claimed 1957, was the hottest year to date.,...proving once again , NONE OF US, can prove the info we are being told, about global data that is so immense, that each of us are unable to prove it. All each of us can do, is read thru the endless conflicting reports, data, and either :

1. chose a side we want to believe is true

2. admit we are all victims to the lies, data and errors reported by the so called experts, politcians, and sociopaths we depend on for our info.

 

[Voltron]

You're just repeating claims from somebody that says we're going to have a new Ice Age due to lack of sunspots... The exact same kind of claim you said a few post ago was why you can't trust anything!
Circular reason much?

 

[Voltron]

And your victim mentality of "we can't know anything for real, we're all just poor dumb dupes of the system" is sad.

 

[rumme]

You're just repeating claims from somebody that says we're going to have a new Ice Age due to lack of sunspots... The exact same kind of claim you said a few post ago was why you can't trust anything!
Circular reason much?

Um..I admitted, that global climate change happens.

I only provided global cooling claims, to counter the global warming claims of the people who embrace that theory.

In the end, it boils down to this. I do not support, or believe, trillions of dollars in new taxes, placed upon us by the hands of corrupt, greedy lying politcians, will halt climate change. Do you disagree with my opinion ?

 

[rumme]

And your victim mentality of "we can't know anything for real, we're all just poor dumb dupes of the system" is sad.

No, its not sad, its true on many things { not all things } .

For example, if a scientist tells you that 600,000 million tons of c02 was ejected into the atmosphere in 2018 , and that will cause global temps to rise 3 degrees by the year 2029 , how can YOU prove it is a accurate claim ?

 

[Voltron]

Yes, I do disagree. Using taxes to encourage a shift to a more sustainable world plan is actually one of the main functions of a government protecting it's citizens future.

 

[rumme]

Yes, I do disagree. Using taxes to encourage a shift to a more sustainable world plan is actually one of the main functions of a government protecting it's citizens future.

and unfortunately, its also a function of FORCED wealth distribution and a venue for corrupt greedy politcians to make billions of dollars in more money under the guise of saving humanity and the planet from global warming.