ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

[Ratking]

Echo chamber

In media, an echo chamber is a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an "enclosed" system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented.

How it works
Observers of journalism in the mass media describe an echo chamber effect in media discourse.[1][2] One purveyor of information will make a claim, which many like-minded people then repeat, overhear, and repeat again (often in an exaggerated or otherwise distorted form)[3] until most people assume that some extreme variation of the story is true.[4]

Participants in online communities may find their own opinions constantly echoed back to them, which reinforces their individual belief systems. This can create significant barriers to critical discourse within an online medium. Due to forming friendships and communities with like-minded people, this effect can also occur in real life. The echo chamber effect may also prevent individuals from noticing changes in language and culture involving groups other than their own. Regardless, the echo chamber effect reinforces one's own present world view, making it seem more correct and more universally accepted than it really is.[5] Another emerging term for this echoing and homogenizing effect on the Internet within social communities is cultural tribalism.[6]


And a little more to chew on: http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...on-boffins-cast-shock-DOUBT-on-global-warming

 

[LockH]

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[LockH]

New phrase for ES... "climate departure". Seen here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-cities-that-climate-change-will-hit-first/

Climate scientists sometimes talk about something called "climate departure" as a way of measuring when climate change has really changed things. It's the moment when average temperatures, either in a specific location or worldwide, become so impacted by climate change that the old climate is left behind. It's a sort of tipping point. And a lot of cities are scheduled to hit one very soon.

Next 2-3 decades due to get... very interesting. [sigh]

 

[gogo]

New phrase for ES... "climate departure". Seen here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-cities-that-climate-change-will-hit-first/

Climate scientists sometimes talk about something called "climate departure" as a way of measuring when climate change has really changed things. It's the moment when average temperatures, either in a specific location or worldwide, become so impacted by climate change that the old climate is left behind. It's a sort of tipping point. And a lot of cities are scheduled to hit one very soon.

Next 2-3 decades due to get... very interesting. [sigh]

Yes, screw all this focus on the climate, where is the anti-aging science? Once we have aging halted and the reproducers regulated, more of us will have incentive to deal with climate science.

 

[LockH]

Well... the stuff ya find stumbling around the http://www...
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(Posted on May 7, 2016)

 

[Chalo]

Once we have aging halted and the reproducers regulated,

We MUST have the second before the first. Otherwise we're even more profoundly screwed than we already are.

Heck, living long and well is a laudable goal, but ultimately it's a luxury. Curtailing our population growth is a necessity.

First, most people have to drag their mindsets out of the dark ages. If we live like stray dogs, we die like stray dogs. None for me, thanks.

 

[Ratking]

Once we have aging halted and the reproducers regulated,

We MUST have the second before the first. Otherwise we're even more profoundly screwed than we already are.

Heck, living long and well is a laudable goal, but ultimately it's a luxury. Curtailing our population growth is a necessity.

First, most people have to drag their mindsets out of the dark ages. If we live like stray dogs, we die like stray dogs. None for me, thanks.

Chalo, lets say that all this is leftist/environmentalist lies and there is no global warming, no global pollution problem. What would you say then? You stood on the barricades defending something that is empirical unproven and all you had was adjusted data and a flawed simulation model. Would you be humble and say that I was wrong and mislead people, I am sorry for that?

 

[gogo]

Once we have aging halted and the reproducers regulated,

We MUST have the second before the first. Otherwise we're even more profoundly screwed than we already are.

Heck, living long and well is a laudable goal, but ultimately it's a luxury. Curtailing our population growth is a necessity.

First, most people have to drag their mindsets out of the dark ages. If we live like stray dogs, we die like stray dogs. None for me, thanks.

I'm thinking that when people get their twenty year-old bodies back they will also revert to higher risk taking, so that will cull the herd a bit.

 

[jimw1960]

Chalo, lets say that all this is leftist/environmentalist lies and there is no global warming, no global pollution problem. What would you say then? You stood on the barricades defending something that is empirical unproven and all you had was adjusted data and a flawed simulation model. Would you be humble and say that I was wrong and mislead people, I am sorry for that?

Nice fantasy but, sadly, the fact of global warming caused by human-generated greenhouse gas is true and the effects over the next 50 years will be unavoidable. There are volumes of proven data and observations on this thread alone. How you can continue to continue denying the overwhelming evidence and cling to the right-wing propaganda about some left wing conspiracy that all the world's scientists are in on is beyond me. I guess it is easy for a non-scientist like yourself to get confused by complicated matters of science and flee to the mental safety net of a story line that says it is all lies. Make no mistake, there is a world of shit coming in the next century; if I'm lucky, I'll be dead before it gets really bad.

 

[Ratking]

Chalo, lets say that all this is leftist/environmentalist lies and there is no global warming, no global pollution problem. What would you say then? You stood on the barricades defending something that is empirical unproven and all you had was adjusted data and a flawed simulation model. Would you be humble and say that I was wrong and mislead people, I am sorry for that?

Nice fantasy but, sadly, the fact of global warming caused by human-generated greenhouse gas is true and the effects over the next 50 years will be unavoidable. There are volumes of proven data and observations on this thread alone. How you can continue to continue denying the overwhelming evidence and cling to the right-wing propaganda about some left wing conspiracy that all the world's scientists are in on is beyond me. I guess it is easy for a non-scientist like yourself to get confused by complicated matters of science and flee to the mental safety net of a story line that says it is all lies. Make no mistake, there is a world of shit coming in the next century; if I'm lucky, I'll be dead before it gets really bad.

Well, it is not many posts ago that you asked for a simulation model as if IPCC's model is even close to be accurate and usable for anything. The problem is that there is overwhelmingly and increasing data showing that the numbers have been tampered with, both by Greenpeace, IPCC and scientists mainly from America. You see, when somebody think they have a higher purpose of stopping the use of fossil fuels like crazy environmentalists have, they sometimes find it necessary to manipulate and lie. Of course you wont believe me even if I gave you proof. That is why I don't use too much time here. Do you remember Al Gore? All his predictions was faulty, nothing was as he said and it is still like that in the global warming scientist camp. They fight for making the best predictions, but always fail, even with your holy and almighty simulation software. The worlds surface is greener than in a long time, and mostly in the spots where it was dry earlier. Co2 is plant food, not poison. Did you know that the world is full of old water level measuring sculptures and measuring units that have been recorded for a long long time? Why come that the sea level is not rising above the earlier recorded level? What can you tell me that is a direct cause that I can see/read/feel caused by human made co2?

Good to know that you don't hesitate with insulting me with assumptions about what I am and what I stand for. Good for you, Mr scientist

 

[jimw1960]

Good to know that you don't hesitate with insulting me with assumptions about what I am and what I stand for. Good for you, Mr scientist

I don't have to make assumptions, you make it quite clear from your rants and conspiracy theories that you have no background in science whatsoever.

"Why come the sea level is not rising?" It IS rising you dope. And the rate of rise is accelerating.

 

[Ratking]

Good to know that you don't hesitate with insulting me with assumptions about what I am and what I stand for. Good for you, Mr scientist

I don't have to make assumptions, you make it quite clear from your rants and conspiracy theories that you have no background in science whatsoever.

"Why come the sea level is not rising?" It IS rising you dope. And the rate of rise is accelerating.

I am not certain if you use glasses with slots of black censoring tape. Because it seems that you only read parts of what I write. In any case, the post was not aimed at you, I see you as a lost cause. When the time comes for a clean up where all the "scientist" will have to stand for their lies, you will be one of the deniers, just as holocaust deniers today. All the evidence is there, but some just refuse to see reality. Show me evidence of sea level rise that contradicts logs from century old stationary level indicators. You know, some of them are anchored to concrete and rocks. Hard to fool the measurements taken from them.

 

[jimw1960]

Show me evidence of sea level rise that contradicts logs from century old stationary level indicators. You know, some of them are anchored to concrete and rocks. Hard to fool the measurements taken from them.

Go check out this interactive map of 240 sea level monitoring stations worldwide. http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

Click on any of the arrows and a pop-up window will link you to the data sources and plots of historical data. It is rising virtually everywhere on Earth except some far northern regions, where sea level is actually decreasing because the lost mass of melted ice results in decreased gravitational pull of the continents on the sea water (as explained here http://piecubed.co.uk/ice-melt/). Now show me your data.

 

[nutnspecial]

You'll have to find some objectivity for yourself (and probably data you'll accept that may contradict your views)

And I'd also recommend obstaining from the attitudes and mindsets that lead you to make cheap derogatory accusations/claims, [strike]son[/strike]. . . Oh wait, but you found that offensive before, strike.
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I may not believe as a given everything 'science-ism' spouts, but sure the world goes thru changes, and the more we change the world, I bet we'll see more changes

But what or who is to blame? Not one or two, or x 1million. If you believe the above, it would pretty much have to be the system, logically highly steered by .00001%, but also the rest of those given a choice while eating up false dichotomies that divide the people rather than unite, in REAL improved knowledge and action.

But the catch is, all that can matter is we always challenge and improve ourselves in knowledge (more importantly studying what we do not or cannot know), understanding, and resulting action, because the world did and can stand alone without us and probably will to any of our past present or future mistakes

 

[jimw1960]

But what or who is to blame? Not one or two, or x 1million.

It's pretty clear that human use of fossil fuel is to blame for the current warming trend. It is easy enough to calculate what a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere will do to the amount of solar energy retained in the atmosphere because it is absorbed by greenhouse gases. The math isn't even that complicated. The fact that it is a small percentage of the total atmosphere is irrelevant. It only matters what are the properties of absorbing infrared wavelengths when it has to pass through a 10 miles slice of the atmosphere to reflect back out to space. This is not a theory. The absorption properties of CO2 gas to various wavelengths of light are well understood and measurable. From there is is just simple math and physics. CO2 makes the atmosphere warmer, warmer atmosphere can now hold more water vapor, which is also a greenhouse gas, so it warms even more, and so on and so on.

 

[LockH]

The newest terrifying milestone is a doozy: carbon dioxide levels that Antarctica (and the Earth) hasn't seen in 4 million years were just recorded, making it the last place on the planet to register the astounding concentration of the greenhouse gas.

The South Pole Observatory recorded a carbon dioxide concentration of 400 parts per million on May 23. The last time carbon dioxide was at those levels, modern humans were but a wink in our ancestors' eyes.

"The increase of carbon dioxide is everywhere, even as far away as you can get from civilization," climatologist Pieter Tans told Scientific American.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/earths-atmosphere-traveling-back-time-002100277.html

(hehe... This news Yahoo files under "finance".)

 

[LockH]

"Greenland Hits Record 75°F, Sets Melt Record As Globe Aims At Hottest Year"
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/06/15/3788651/greenland-record-globe-hottest-year/

(Dated June 15th

Last Thursday, Greenland’s capital hit 75°F, which was hotter than New York City. This was the highest temperature ever recorded there in June — in a country covered with enough ice to raise sea levels more than 20 feet.

 

[DasDouble]

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" Sign the petition to save the Arctic on: https://www.savethearctic.org
http://www.greenpeace.org/ "

 

[LockH]

"‘Global climate emergency’ declared after jet stream crosses equator"
http://inhabitat.com/global-climate-emergency-declared-after-jet-stream-crosses-equator/

A prominent climate scientist has declared a “global climate emergency” after observing the jet stream in the Northern Hemisphere crossing the equator and mixing with the jet stream in the Southern Hemisphere. Paul Beckwith, a geography professor at the University of Ottawa, wrote in a blog post that this behavior is new and “indicates that climate system mayhem is ongoing.” If the merging of the jet streams continues, it could disrupt the seasons, threatening the food supply chain and causing “massive geopolitical unrest.”

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[The fingers]

Cycle paths – a cost-effective way to reduce emissions 
(Tobias Ackeborn)
A new study by Canadian scientists says there's a quantifiable reduction in the vehicle tailpipe emissions that contribute to global warming when people are tempted by bike-friendly routes instead of driving.
And it's a bargain basement deal. "The greenhouse gas benefit from adding low-cost new cycling infrastructure can be as important as other more costly strategies," say the scientists from Montreal's McGill University.
For a 7% increase in the length of a city's cycle path network, greenhouse gas emissions can fall by 2%, they say. If that seems like a small return on investment, it's excellent compared to the cost of making public transport more environmentally friendly.
The scientists calculate that to get the same cutback in GHG levels in a major international city like Montreal, all of its diesel buses would have to be converted to hybrid technology and all of its commuter trains would have to be electrified.
That's not a cheap option compared to boosting cycling. "A 40-foot hybrid bus costs Can$450,00 (£250,000)," the scientists say, "It's equivalent to [building] approximately 5.5 km (3.5 miles) of cycle tracks."
So, creating more cycle facilities should be a no-brainer for city bosses keen to do their bit to reduce global warming.
The new study by the Canadian-based team reveals the impact of a small growth in the city's cycle path network, from 375 miles to 402 miles. In the same period, cycling became more popular and commuters switched to biking daily. The fall in commuter driving was used to estimate the reduction in greenhouse gases.
 are denied by the team. "Our estimates [are] more conservative than they probably are in reality," they say. That claim is backed up by acomprehensive survey just published.
Of almost 600 cyclists stopped and questioned on National Bike to Work Day in Albuquerque, New Mexico, one in three say they would not have made their trips by bike if the existing cycle paths and lanes didn't exist. In fact, a quarter of those surveyed say they would make their journey by car if the bicycle infrastructure hadn't been built and that would, of course, increase vehicle tailpipe emissions, including greenhouse gases.
"In this light, the paths and lanes have been effective at reducing vehicle trips, helping to reduce congestion and improve air quality and public health in the region," says the leader of the survey, Dr Greg Rowengould, assistant professor in the civil engineering department at the University of New Mexico.


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/climate-change-emissions-reduction-cycle-paths-47425/

 

[LockH]

"This new Antarctica study is bad news for climate change doubters"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tudy-is-bad-news-for-climate-change-doubters/

“The dramatic decrease in Arctic sea ice, which currently exceeds model predictions and could exhibit a record or near-record low this year, is fairly straightforward to understand in terms of the unprecedented warming in the Arctic,” Michael Mann, a climate researcher at Penn State University, said in an email in response to Meehl’s study.

“By contrast, Antarctic sea ice is more complicated. It is dominated by what we refer to as ‘dynamical effects,’ especially the strength and position of the westerly winds over the southern ocean. Those dynamical effects are governed to a large extent by natural, internal climate variability, and it is unsurprising that the very modest increase in Antarctic sea ice in recent decades can be explained in terms of them.”

 

[LockH]

"The world’s clouds are in different places than they were 30 years ago"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...different-places-than-they-were-30-years-ago/

These cloud changes are, of course, hardly without consequence — the growth of so-called dry zones or drylands, as the planet warms, has been long predicted and indeed, observed by climate scientists. Places from California to Southern Africa could experience more dry conditions going forward as cloud belts shift. “The global dryland expansions will increase the population affected by water scarcity and land degradations,” a recent study noted.

Sigh

 

[LockH]

"Arctic Sea Ice Crashes to Record Low for June"
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-sea-ice-record-low-for-june-20508

means a vast expanse of ice — an area about twice the size of Texas — has vanished over the past 30 years, and the rate of that retreat has accelerated.

[sigh]

 

[jimw1960]

We may see open ocean over the north pole in summers within the next decade. No telling what effect that will have on global weather patterns. Another interesting note: Russia has just commissioned a huge ice breaker to start asserting their dominance over the Arctic Ocean and the shipping lanes that are starting to open up due to the melting ice.

"Arctic Sea Ice Crashes to Record Low for June"
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-sea-ice-record-low-for-june-20508

means a vast expanse of ice — an area about twice the size of Texas — has vanished over the past 30 years, and the rate of that retreat has accelerated.

[sigh]

 

[The fingers]

We may see open ocean over the north pole in summers within the next decade. No telling what effect that will have on global weather patterns. Another interesting note: Russia has just commissioned a huge ice breaker to start asserting their dominance over the Arctic Ocean and the shipping lanes that are starting to open up due to the melting ice.

"Arctic Sea Ice Crashes to Record Low for June"
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-sea-ice-record-low-for-june-20508

means a vast expanse of ice — an area about twice the size of Texas — has vanished over the past 30 years, and the rate of that retreat has accelerated.

[sigh]

That Northwest Passage might taka a bite out of the revenue from the Panama and the Suez Canals. :|