ice sheet losses in Greenland and Antarctica reach new highs

Nep, I largely agree. I wish humans were more respectful of the environment , but I do not like govt/experts using lies and taxation as a means to try and force humans towards that goal, nor do I respect these same elitist liars, telling us we all need to be more proactive, while the elitists continue to engage in their wastefulness and polluting ways.

Putting complete faith in the info of these so called experts , is silly. They have a proven track record of both errors, and purposeful lies. A few decades ago , the hysteria was, we may freeze to death due to global cooling . Now that most people have forgotten that scam { or were born after that scam ran its course } , they tell us we may drown from rising oceans or starve due to widespread famine from global warming . ...and we better tax the slaves even more to halt this incoming catastrophe.

I will continue to question the studies these so called experts and govt officals support, especially when it results in higher taxation, for the good of the people.
 
neptronix said:
There have been a lot of false predictions about global warming. It is no wonder to me that people are skeptical of the case, considering how many times scientific groups have been used as propaganda machines to spin lies.

But regardless of whether global warming is a problem or not, we still should figure out a way to cut pollution. It's still retarded to use our fossil fuels at this rate. Pollution still kills. Fracking and drilling are still harmful to the ecology. What's bad about fossil fuels is well known by now.

And there are hundreds of things we could do, which if added up, would produce a 25-50% pollution reduction worldwide with very little detriment to quality of life and economic factors. The AGW debate is a sort of misdirection on what we should be focusing on.... conservation... since the magic energy source with no downsides has still not materialized.
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Perhaps the use of the fossil fuels, saved humanity from the predicted coming ice age back in the 1970s ? :lol:


Yes, humans should be more respectful of the environment , but when govt intervenes and tries to force things upon us, we have to ask, how much is to much ? If 50% of us in the U.S. decided to do 50% of our local travelling by bicycle/walking, is that enough ? How about if 50% of us never drive another car again..is that enough ?


It becomes very complex and you end up with gov, pushing for more and more regulations, laws and taxes...cause we know, they seem to never get enough of those things , forced upon the rest of us.


If the aersol sprays and fluorocarbons in heavy use prior to the 1990s, were gonna help cool the climate, then maybe we need to bring those consumer items back into the populace, so we can counteract the global warming claims we are now being fed. :wink:


Much of this is pseudoscience , or normal cycles of the planets cooling/warming trends and then factor in the abnormal cooling/warming trends of the past, which are bound to happen in the present and future, regardless if humans were alive or not.


I fell for the ice age scam back in the 1970s....just like I was once a true believer in the global warming scam. I am now a bit wiser and much more leery of the claims of govt officials and so called experts/ academia. They truly dont have a great track record of legitimacy . Kinda like how, every year, we have new studies...one year they will claim alcohol has health benefits...the next year, alcohol should be avoided and is unhealthy.....Just like how back in the 1950s, not only did they tell us smoking was safe , but that it had several health benefits. There were tons of these photos/info being distributed to society decades ago. The sociopaths in charge , are more interested in your tax dollars, and lobbyists money , then our health or well being. As long as Al Gore and his sociopath friends continue to travel abroad using vehicles that are mass polluters, I doubt they are truly concerned about global warming, and are just tying to sell us the next set of lies for nefarious purposes.

 
rumme said:
You are wrong, I was alive in the 1970s and remember the ice age claims as do many other people. In fact, I remember reading numerous articles about it in several of the scientific magazines of the era.

In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists/ experts , suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age s. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling
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Yes, some people did observe what they thought was a cooling trend that turned out to be localised to the northern hemisphere (not global) and yes, those same SO2 emissions that caused acid rain were predicted to exert a cooling effect had they massively increased (instead of being reduced, as they were from the 1970's). The cooling effect of the actual aerosol levels at the time was predicted to be greatly outweighed by the warming effect of CO2 emissions.

Back then a small number of experts predicted cooling. A much greater number (the great majority) predicted warming from man's CO2 emissions. There was absolutely not a consensus that cooling or an ice age was imminent.

Do not confuse media articles with scientific studies

Do not confuse a handful of kooks/quacks/shills/outliers with a scientific consensus.
 
rumme said:
The fact that you have the nerve to claim that stuff doesnt happen, and is just a creation of Hollywood, films, is all the proof I need that your opinions on the subject, are idiotic.

Let me get you started on your journey to understand how wrong your are, and how so called experts , lie their frocking asses off, for reasons of lobbyists money, political or corporate influences, etc.
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So you get that this occurs, but somehow believe it only applies to proponents of AGW? Not to those fossil fuel industry-backed pressure groups/think tanks/"scientists"?
 
rumme said:
Punxr claimed I wouldnt address his faulty counter points. I easily did and provided examples of the 1970s " ice age" hysteria claims along with valid examples of how the experts lie/misinform us { even though Punxr also claims that dont happen, its just the stuff of Hollywood movies} .
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Yes, thank you for the Youtube link to a TV show from the 70's. I are convinced! Scientific journals be damned! Rumme for Vice President to Trump (or Putin)!

Where's this stuff about holywood movies come from? Where did I mention that? Are you thinking of that awful film, The Day After Tomorrow? Do you struggle to separate reality - what someone has actually said - with your imagination?
 
neptronix said:
Even though science was/is wrong about some things, doesn't mean we can throw the entire baby out with the bathwater.
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A very valid point and one that shows and understanding of what science actually is and how it works. However, in this case it's superfluous and science wasn't "wrong" about climate change in the 1970's.

The oil industry-funded shills were working hard to try and make people think it was, though.
 
rumme said:
I will continue to question the studies these so called experts...for the good of the people.
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Please know that we people are eternally grateful. Your humility knows no bounds.
 
rumme said:
Kinda like how, every year, we have new studies...one year they will claim alcohol has health benefits...the next year, alcohol should be avoided and is unhealthy.....Just like how back in the 1950s, not only did they tell us smoking was safe , but that it had several health benefits.
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Yeah, there's a whole industry of these "fun" scientific studies. Why do cornflakes go soggy, how chocolate is good for you. They're pre-prepped and look for someone with a credential to add their name to. They are funded by (surprise!) the industry that makes that product.

Follow the money. Studies have been done on studies, comparing funding sources to findings. There are few surprises. Studies showing how alcohol can be beneficial tend to be funded by the alcohol industry. Ones finding harm funded by health groups. We all *want to believe* that a little alcohol does no harm, even better if it actually helps us in some way! And sure, in very narrow way context, a small glass of red wine *might* offer some health benefits if you happen to be in a small group of people prone to a particular disease.
 
rumme said:
All ‘Silver’ Dental Filling Are Poisoned With Mercury And It Was Covered Up For 30 Years
December 7, 2018

by Thomas Corriher, Humans Are Free:

Anyone at risk of mercury poisoning should supplement his diet with selenium, which is a natural neutralizer of mercury. We strongly recommend the high-quality selenium that is found at health food stores, but not general retailers.

Selenium neutralizes some toxic heavy metals; especially mercury and aluminum. Our research shows that selenium alone will prevent most so-called “age-related” degenerative brain diseases. These diseases are, in most cases, lifelong heavy metal accumulation and toxicity.
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The fact that you can swallow this kind of news article (I thought you didn't trust "the MSM"?) shows a clear lack of critical thinking, the ability to evaluate the quality of evidence and also a profound naivety (ironic, considering how you truly believe it's everyone else who is so naïve...)

Please cite evidence that the whole group of "age-related degenerative brain diseases" is caused by heavy metal poisoning. You'll be almost certain of a Nobel Prize (IIRC this will be at least the second one you're up for based on previous claims you've made [or was that Hillhater?]), because it's currently eluded the World's best scientists and doctors for decades, despite huge effort and funding.

I've just chucked this guy's name into Google and glanced through the top results. Youtube videos on anti-establishment quack medicine and an AE911Truth one :lol: Same guy? Really???
 
Punxr....human created global warming is gonna kill us all, so you need to give a $1000 check every year at tax time, to the govt, to save you and the planet. Have fun saving the world . The corrupt lying sociopath politicians and experts, appreciate your trust and money. Make your check out to :

AL GORE

USE THIS $1000 check, FOR FUEL MONEY TO FLY IN YOUR LEAR JET, TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM POLLUTION.


Its very simple , you claimed there was no ice age- global cooling claims during the 1970s, you were wrong. Such claims were being presented by the experts/scientists, not only in scientific magazines, but even on tv shows. I provided examples of this, you laughed it off , to try and save yourself from admitting error.
 
Will someone let me know, when punky Punxr is willing to admit his errors in his false claims that there never was widespread claims of a coming ice age, widespread cooling , decades ago ? I can keep providing evidence, but can Punxr keep ignoring it, for the sake of him being to arrogant to admit errors ? Lets see...heres more proof....this time it is coming from 1 of the most popular magazines in the world. Check this out. :lol: I used to read these articles, and was naive enough to put 100% trust in it.

NOT ANYMORE ! I dont doubt, in 20-30 years, these sociopaths will once again change their claims, and say we are now back to the threat of a new ice age. ROFL .TIME 1.jpgTIME 2.jpg


AHHHHHHHHHHH.....WERE ALL GONNA DIE FROM THE ICEBERGS RETURNING AND A NEW ICE AGE.......AND IF NOT, THEN WE WILL DIE FROM THE GLOBAL WARMING...WE MUST ALL AGREE THAT MORE CORRUPT TAXATIONS UPON US, IS GONNA SAVE THE WORLD .
 
Your citation is TIME magazine?

Your exact claim was:

If we listened to the so called experts just a few decades ago, they told us the ice age may soon return.
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Note, THE experts. As in, the weight of the scientific community. Not a "some guys", "a few scientists" or "a magazine or TV show". You are claiming the current scientific consensus on AGW is worthless because it was wrong before - in the 70's predicting an ice-age that never came. That claim is false and your are wrong. There was no consensus that would happen in the 70's. Quite the opposite in fact. Feel free to compare the number of studies published in peer review journals predicting cooling Vs. those predicting warming.

I'm puzzled how you equate scientists and politicians as one and the same thing. With sadly very few exceptions, scientists are not politicians and politicians are not scientists. But I guess it serves your agenda to lump them together as "so called experts".

Frankly, I haven't time for your bullshit, baiting, trolling, partisan nonsense. None of us do. The World has a decade, maybe two to wake up and take drastic action to prevent serious changes to our planet. The only upside is stubborn, ignorant, selfish obstacles like yourself will soon be swept aside by the passage of time to make way for progress, like much clearing of dead wood.

Feel free to stop polluting this thread. It's not like you don't already have lots of others on this forum to post your politics.

I'm out.
 
No, there never was any kind of consensus of the world freezing. So 50 years ago, Time took one scientists claims, and used some scare mongering to sell some crap. But to conflate that with the 99% of scientists that now agree greenhouse gasses are a deadly threat, backed up by massive amounts of data, and supercomputer modelling that wan't available before is just intellectually lazy

And you say you "fell for global freezing". Using weekly periodicals to inform your beliefs is not a good way to structure your worldview.
 
I can keep providing examples, and the global warming shills, like PUNXR , will keep ignoring it...Heres another example. These magazines claimed to have info from some of the best climate experts/ scientists of the era, in predicting we may be entering a new ice age, global cooling . These magazines are not some unknown publications. Many of them are world renown and they sought out the top experts/scientists.

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ROFL...THE EXPERTS/SCIENTISTS TELL YOU HOW TO SURIVE THE COMING ICE AGE..BACK IN 1977.

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Voltron said:
And their job is selling magazines... they don't really care if its accurate as long as people buy it.

You should try different magazines... where peer reviewed accuracy is a thing...

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Yes, we all get to hand pick and choose the data we are told , that best aligns with what we wish to believe .

All im doing, is PROVING that these so called experts and scientists, are fallable and often outright deceivers. I told you all, that in the 1970s, the experts often claimed we were entering a new ice age/ global cooling. Some people didn't believe me . I provided numerous examples of it.


Its not bad enough, that these so called experts, are often wrong, but then when corrupt politicians get involved and push for new taxes , based upon the so called " experts info" , it only makes sense to question the validity, not only of the experts claims, but the politicians new tax proposals.
 
Earth has went thru numerous cooling/heating cycles over billions of years, way before humans were part of the planet.

Higher taxes upon us slaves, isnt gonna stop that. Informing people of the advantages of conservation , not polluting ,etc is logical...but of course that wont result in more tax money for the corrupt politicians to piss away.
 
For the global warming shills, chew on this one.. :lol: :lol: :lol: This info comes to you from the CLIMATE EXPERTS...lol

and you are stupid enough to trust these sociopaths ?
 
No, the "experts" didn't agree about global cooling. And then a few magazines ran stories on outlier theories that every reputable scientist scoffed at. That doesn't change the fact that 50 years later... the evidence of human caused changes in the climate have become undeniable and basing your refusal to accept it on some 50 year old magazines is stupid.
 
These deniers crack me up. Don't waste your time trying to explain anything to them. Their opinion on the subject is based purely on their political beliefs and no amount of facts will make them look at any evidence that does not come from some right-wing think tank.

You'd think by now some skeptical scientist with funding from petroleum interests would have come up with a physics-based calculation that shows how you can dump 30 billion tons of CO2 into the air each year for 150 years and not have a warming effect on the planet. They can't do that, because of those pesky laws of thermodynamics and conservation of energy keep getting in the way. So, you don't think human emissions of fossil CO2 aren't warming the planet? Show me your model, of shut the heck up.
 
Heres the reality. The experts and scientists, we are brainwashed to trust, are often WRONG or they are political/lobbyists hacks , that get paid under the table money/ grants or present a false narrative for political or corporate agendas .


THE ELITSITS DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU .


Continue to put your complete trust in them, at your own naïve choosing.

Yester year...it was the ice age is soon coming

Presently, it is global warming that is the major threat

20 years from now, they will probably tell us the ice age is back. :roll:
 
Voltron said:
No, the "experts" didn't agree about global cooling. And then a few magazines ran stories on outlier theories that every reputable scientist scoffed at. That doesn't change the fact that 50 years later... the evidence of human caused changes in the climate have become undeniable and basing your refusal to accept it on some 50 year old magazines is stupid.
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The satellite images back then, proved the new ice age was coming..... :lol:
and climate experts agreed....keep ignoring it....you better buy a new overcoat :shock:
 
MORE EXPERTS CLAIM , THE ICE AGE COMETH.....OMG...THIS IS FUNNY. Yes, the scientific magazines, the newpapers, even the tv shows, made these claims...all backed with scientific data, climatologists , scientists and even satellite imagery...IT ALL PROVED THE ICE AGE COMETH !

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Can someone get Punxr back on this thread ? I wanna hear him tell me, again, how there weren't any ice age / global cooling claims { from the experts } a few decades ago. :oops:
 
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