if the demacrats win?

[truckerzero]

whats you opinon ? if the demacrats win in the united states do you think it will have any effect on oil prices

 

[EMF]

Nope. I gave up on the government representing the people, when the last elections gave us a Democratic Congress and Nancy Pelosi. As soon as she refused to allow panning of the CSPAN camera away from the podium in Congress, I knew nothing would change. People would see the chambers are virtually empty all the time and the people on the podium are speaking to empty chairs. The lobbies are in control now along with big business.

Barack has raised and spent 250 million to get the nomination. This seems a bit excessive for what we are getting for the money, doesn't it?

Both Clinton and Obama are touting big changes in health care, yet these two candidates are receiving more mony from the health care "industry" than any other member of government.

We have to ask ourselves, if they are going to revamp things, why would the lobbies and PACS be sending them so much money? Unversal Health Care (if it flies) will be a windfall for insurance companies.

The best comment I ever heard was from Micheal Moore, he felt that health care should be one area that is definately- not for profit. Peoples lives are lost merely to enhance the bottom line. Look at the first responders to 911- they are sick and no one will give them the care they need, because they don't fall under anyones "jurisdiction". Just pray you never get sick and keep paying in on your health insurance.

"Please don't tell my mother I'm a politician...she thinks I play piano in a brothel"

 

[safe]

Taxes will go up.

The economy will also have to deal with the added load of the extra government spending for things like healthcare.

So it will not be great times.

However, I think the real story is that if Obama gets assassinated (as expected by so many) the social tensions within the country will be very bad. I'd expect to see riots and looting.

That's the biggest problem.

 

[pwbset]

That's the biggest problem.

The biggest problem in my mind is the state of complete denial the US is in. Mortgages crashing at rates higher than the great depression... uhm... hello... big problem there... , prices for *everything* soaring at what seems to be an exponential rate - not just gas, political party fracturing, ubiquitous legislative corruption at all levels of government and all we seem to care about is the next winner of Dancing With The Stars and what's the latest on Brittany Spears mental state. Ugh... so, yeah... it's gonna get a whole hell of a lot worse before it gets better I'm afraid. And when the "next" generation doesn't even know things like who Dick Cheney is or how to locate Iraq on a map... yeah... we're in soooo much trouble.

Personally I'm going to get to work on my mandarin! I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords. Ni hao and 受欢迎的霸主!

 

[safe]

Mortgages crashing at rates higher than the great depression...

You know what they say about real estate:

"location, location, location."

...I sold out of California at the peak and went to the midwest where there really was no bubble. Our area has recently started back into the positive again, so it's not bad everywhere.

Basically the further up your area deviated from the 3% trendline (increasing in value) the further back down you need to fall. Ultimately everyone needs to be back to that consistent 3% trendline. (some places went up by 25% per year for several years)

But generally speaking... yeah... things are tough and oil is making it tougher every day. Every time oil goes up the economy gets weaker.

We need to get 100% off oil before we become free again.

(hopefully that's why you are into electric vehicles)

 

[truckerzero]

i live in the midwest in a modest 1950's house that could have ben bought in the 70,s for around 12,000 now its apprased at over 125,000 and its just a 875 square foot house on the mainlevel with a finshed basement it just seems redicules how expensive houses have become and sometimes i wonder how any one affords them on a normal income the average new house is like 200,000 or more around here

 

[Link]

I live in So-Cal. This house was bought for $15,000. I'm guessing it's worth probably over $600,000 now.

 

[ngocthach1130]

trucker, you're still lucky with that price. Houses around here go for a minimum of 400k. Not to mention these houses are also junk, with nasty basement and unusable attic. I guess we do pay a price for living so close to NYC.

 

[EMF]

In my area, the town is mismanaged by an inefficient city government. For instance, we have our food taxed so they can "fix the roads". They were supposed to only tax food for 2 years - it is now 10 years after the 2 and the tax remains, but the roads are a disgrace. They think we forgot and have recently been trolling around for money to "fix the roads" again.

The latest tactic, is for some unknown soul who has some sort of clairvoyant powers, to silently cruise down the road, (presumably when folks are at work- cause nobody ever sees this happening) without ever leaving his or her car and he somehow determines the "new value" of your property in which they will then base my property taxes upon.

Each year my property skyrockets in value as do my taxes. If you want to protest, you have to get a professional to come out and actually perform an appraisal, this costs about 4oo bucks. Then, you can protest. If you win, then they will adjust your property down and the effect will commence 2 years later! E.g. if I had done this in 2007, my 2009 taxed value would be adjusted.

I am waiting to see what the value is this year, since housing has gone to hell in a hand basket. Time will tell I guess.

 

[deardancer3]

whats you opinon ? if the demacrats win in the united states do you think it will have any effect on oil prices

Neither party will have much effect on the price of oil or gasoline; the days of overwhelming U.S. world influnce have been squandered.

Both the Aussie and the Kanuck governments have told their citizens that fuel prices may have minor short term decreases, but overall fuel prices will be going up at some multiple of inflation. One Aussie territory is debating going on gas rationing prematurely to help prepare their citizens for the hard times. The Canadian Bank told people if they wanted to spend less on Gasoline to use less of it by walking, biking, car pooling and using public transit.

so where is such bluntness in the USA? (might be preaching to the choir here on transportation costs)

For the past several years, even with fuel prices going up, we kept loans artificially low, increasing borrowing. Now the loans are coming due, fuel prices are up, everyone wants to retire but the piggybank is empty, we have lost our jobs to overseas competion. the government loaned $1200 to most families, but it is due back to the Govt, Apr 15 2009 .

Whoever wins the next election, I pitty them. They will be the Herbert Hoover scapegoat of the new century. (Not that Hoover did anything to get us out of the dust bowl/depression, but he did not cause it- his predecessors did)

My two watts worth.
dick

 

[truckerzero]

400,000 and 600,000 how do you afford the monthly payments on those things do jobs pay really good up there average around here is 30,000 to 50,000 if you have some kind of skill ie truck driver, mechanic, welder, machinist , heating and cooling or office stuff/management with a college degree

 

[ngocthach1130]

Well NYC rain prosperity on the rest of the land around it. Even waiter or waitress makes around what you mentioned there trucker. But then again living cost is a lot higher too. Rents in my area is especially high. Single bedroom, 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen apartment cost over a grand a month. That's if you're lucky. One thing about about us northeastern people is that we're not afraid to work hard. Many of the people i know are willing to work 2 jobs or more. Some get about 2-4 hours of sleep and then back to working. They all depend on their retirement plan and cash out when they're old enough. Most of them use that money and move south where houses are cheap and tax are low to spend the rest of their lives.

 

[truckerzero]

ok well said
here is my ny dirt cheap plan
become a trucker(companys kill for people willing to drive to ny most wont)
sell all your stuff or put in storage
working hard over the road youll make 50,000 a year or more
youll have no rent or bills other than cellphone or internet if you have a lap top
when you want to visit friend or family that live in ny go to the nearest truck stop
park your truck at the truck stop and keep your e bike attached to the back of your cab (and a charger hooked into your truck to keep it charged)and drive your ebike to you friends or family you want to visit
with no bills no car and no apartment or house you could rackup a lot of money fast
p.s. if your worried about food on the road they sell refridgeraters and microwaves especially for truckers
and just stop by groceri stores as needed in route

 

[truckerzero]

one more thing no matter what the price of fuel is who cares your boss is payen the bill :lol:

 

[truckerzero]

in my area a 1 bed apartment can be had easaly for 350 to 400 month
and if you have a few thousand dollars you can get a mobil home and the pad rent would be less that300 and includes water sewer and trash
electricity is 5 cents per kw winter
7 cents per kw summer
natural gas is 1.50 a therm winter
1.00 therm summer
a draught beer at happy hour is 1.50
a 30 pack of bud light is 16.75 at the grocery store
thats all i can think of right now
oh i dont smoke but a box of marlboro reds is 3.75 a pack or 26.00 a carton

 

[TylerDurden]

You got it, trucker.... it ain't how much you make, it's how much you stash.

8)

 

[safe]

People seem to somehow try to connect oil prices to governments like there was anything that the government could do about it.

That's just false.

In the 1970's the oil cartel cut oil supplies and we had problems (as now) but then there was a renaissance of oil exploration and they discovered so many new oil fields that the supply increased radicially. Then for a few decades there was a surplus of oil and we got used to it at the low price (and people bought SUV's) but now we are again driven by supply and demand with supplies becoming short.

The government (left or right) has little control except in the ability to grant drilling rights. So if you really want to correct prices you need to grant drilling permits. Most people don't want to do that for abstract reasons involving the environment. (the idea being that driling is messy)

So if you REALLY want lower gas prices you need to tell the government to allow more drilling. (never going to happen)

One last thought though... I used to work for a company owned by Enron and I know from "insider knowledge" about the way those markets are manipulated. Apparently much of the present oil price is being made into a "bubble" by manipulations. So oil prices very well could drop from where we are now...

 

[EMF]

I thought this video was thought provoking....I mean humorous.

http://imvotingrepublican.com/

 

[truckerzero]

well that video pretty much sums it up
and as long as they dont take my guns away ill always vote democratic
i voted for bill clinton and was happy with the economy back then