dominator
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http://www.hi-powercycles.com/52v-li-nmc-high-performance-battery-system/
Is this a decent price for this battery?
Is this a decent price for this battery?
Is this a decent deal for the battery?
- Thread starter dominator
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check out http://www.allcelltech.com/images/act/ebike/allcell_naked_48v_ebike.pdf
have seen their 48 volt 13 ah batteries for 710.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING from http://www.e-bikekit.com/shop/index.php?p=cart
they apply discount to order...theirs is 8.6 pounds.... HPC battery is 8.9 pounds however their elite battery is 52 volts 13 AH 7.89 pounds
HPC maxinum discharge amps are rated higher too
allcelltech has better warranty better prices similar KWH but different maxinum discharge rates
never tried allcelltech but on other hand do not know if HPC is liberal with their amp rating?
have seen their 48 volt 13 ah batteries for 710.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING from http://www.e-bikekit.com/shop/index.php?p=cart
they apply discount to order...theirs is 8.6 pounds.... HPC battery is 8.9 pounds however their elite battery is 52 volts 13 AH 7.89 pounds
HPC maxinum discharge amps are rated higher too
allcelltech has better warranty better prices similar KWH but different maxinum discharge rates
never tried allcelltech but on other hand do not know if HPC is liberal with their amp rating?
dogman dan
1 PW
Cut the advertised discharge rate in half is my rule of thumb.
Not because they lied, but because you get less sag, and later on when the battery has lost capacity, you still have that extra to dip into then. As you near 20% gone, you are hitting harder on the remainder.
There is no china priced deals on batteries that come from a Vendor in the USA. To ship legal, provide a real warrantee, etc costs them. So that price is not unusually high.
Is it a deal? Is any battery a deal? You pay a lot for any good one, and shoddy ones are the most expensive purchase of all. The worst decision is to buy a good battery in too small a size that cannot possibly last running a huge motor and controller. Then you throw even more money away on a battery unsuitable for your bike.
That battery in the link is a poor match for a 30 or 40 amps controller is what I mean. Good for a 20 or 25 amps though. I'm not saying it cannot discharge the 60 amps. I'm saying it will like less amps a lot more. It should perform very well with a 25 amps or less controller.
Not because they lied, but because you get less sag, and later on when the battery has lost capacity, you still have that extra to dip into then. As you near 20% gone, you are hitting harder on the remainder.
There is no china priced deals on batteries that come from a Vendor in the USA. To ship legal, provide a real warrantee, etc costs them. So that price is not unusually high.
Is it a deal? Is any battery a deal? You pay a lot for any good one, and shoddy ones are the most expensive purchase of all. The worst decision is to buy a good battery in too small a size that cannot possibly last running a huge motor and controller. Then you throw even more money away on a battery unsuitable for your bike.
That battery in the link is a poor match for a 30 or 40 amps controller is what I mean. Good for a 20 or 25 amps though. I'm not saying it cannot discharge the 60 amps. I'm saying it will like less amps a lot more. It should perform very well with a 25 amps or less controller.
dominator
10 W
Wow hmm i know the controller I'll be using would like a battery that can output 30ams consistent which is why I thought this one would work well since half of 60amps is 30. I guess I'll take a look at the all tech thanks for the direct links too =), damn they are in pa too i just moved from there guess I'll have to wait for shipping, but hmm the all cell ones are rated at 25a cont discharge, on a side note this battery seems beast 150a cont 300a peak but its expensive
http://california-ebike.com/product/48v-15ah-lithium-battery-pack/
http://california-ebike.com/product/48v-15ah-lithium-battery-pack/
John in CR
100 TW
HPC stands for High Priced Cycles as far as I'm concerned.
999zip999
100 TW
Come on guys I say Cellman and the heavier A123 And keep the Battery out of the problem for a while ? With the luck of the of all Zeus. Then you could run some watts and have some life. Hay take a ride and come by.
999zip999
100 TW
Just because I don't think high power has Luke's super cells.
dogman dan
1 PW
You just said on the other thread, 40 amps controller. So double that would be 80 amps for a second or two.
I don't doubt that battery from HPC will run your bike. It's a question of how it will perform. If it's pushed to it's limit, it gets all hot and doesn't last so long.
What exactly is this for?
Are you riding using the fun budget? Money you'd put in a slot machine, or down a titty dancers panties? Or is this the transportation budget?
If it's the transportation budget, I recommend you downsize that controller to 25 amps. Fast and fun simply costs you money. If it's fun budget, go to the RC lipo threads, and see if you can tolerate the risk in your household.
I don't doubt that battery from HPC will run your bike. It's a question of how it will perform. If it's pushed to it's limit, it gets all hot and doesn't last so long.
What exactly is this for?
Are you riding using the fun budget? Money you'd put in a slot machine, or down a titty dancers panties? Or is this the transportation budget?
If it's the transportation budget, I recommend you downsize that controller to 25 amps. Fast and fun simply costs you money. If it's fun budget, go to the RC lipo threads, and see if you can tolerate the risk in your household.
dominator
10 W
This is for fun, cruising around town, a little racing here and there. I might take it to work about 15 miles now and then but definitely not a permanent commuter bike or anything. I ended up buying the HPC battery, went to their store directly and they gave me a discount for paying cash, got a bag, and an upgraded 4 amp charger too. I called the bike shop and looks like my bike hasn't even arrived yet, they said it might come tonight or tomorrow then they have to build it so now it looks like Thursday...
dogman dan
1 PW
Fun budget means an earlier than 2-3 years from now demise won't kill you. Fun budget is always money set on fire. I know, I spent $80,000 on flying balloons.
Let us know how it turns out. How much voltage sag you get under max loads from a dead stop will tell a lot about how well the battery stands a high discharge rate. Under high loads, a cheap 20c lipo battery only sags about 1-2 volts. If yours sags 4v, it's not liking the amps they claim it will. A large sag results in the bms shutting off before it would with less sag. The lipo doesn't do what they say it will either, but it takes a 5c rate discharge ok. Some voltage sag under load is inevitable, but you don't want 4v of sag on a 48v pack. That's cutting into the fun by 2v for starters.
Definitely let us know if it fails in months.
Let us know how it turns out. How much voltage sag you get under max loads from a dead stop will tell a lot about how well the battery stands a high discharge rate. Under high loads, a cheap 20c lipo battery only sags about 1-2 volts. If yours sags 4v, it's not liking the amps they claim it will. A large sag results in the bms shutting off before it would with less sag. The lipo doesn't do what they say it will either, but it takes a 5c rate discharge ok. Some voltage sag under load is inevitable, but you don't want 4v of sag on a 48v pack. That's cutting into the fun by 2v for starters.
Definitely let us know if it fails in months.
999zip999
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New bike, a falco, and the HPC batteries ? O.k. The wireless controller and 5. phase motor. I know I forgot something.
Don't forget the lock. Good luck.
Don't forget the lock. Good luck.
dominator
10 W
Yea I need to buy a new lock I had a onguard really really thick thick lock, at first it made sense when I saw it, but then after thinking it just makes my bike more of a target as people see this really big lock, I gave it to the owners of my last electric bike that I had for about 2 weeks lol, it was a nice bike, emotiv, just want something faster now.
