Ivermectin/Covid info

I expose myself to the public as often as possible and without any protection. In fact, i avoid places with heavy protection and stopped wearing a mask the second it became legal to not. My immunity is 1.5 years old now and being around confirmed delta cases have told me that my immunity is still kicking.

I call this practice "updating my vaccine card".
 
I know it sounds crazy, but..

I'm haven't got sick for the same reason doctors don't get sick despite having people cough and sneeze in their vicinity 40 hours a week. Doctors live in the most disease ridden environment on the planet and have the best immunity anyone can have.

Repeatedly encounter a disease you've encountered before and your immune memory will strengthen against that disease. Avoid it and the memory will be lost over time.

I don't want covid again, so i avoid avoiding it. :mrgreen:
And i happen to live in the land of almost no restrictions, so that's easy to do.
 
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Lol GitTFOuttaHere with this Horse Dewormer Redkneck Trumpian Qanon Dumbass LostSoManYTimeES August Reinstatement Bull Shit.

Why even humor a discussion with these people. I cannot believe i got to see this shill on Endless Sphere.

No offense intende..... Er.. wait a sec.

Oh nevermind. Offense intended. Hopefully taken. More offensive content available, if you would like.

Repeat: GTFOH. AntiVaxxWackjobs. SHow me your medical doctorate then I will listen to your arguments.

Chalo said:
Prune juice isn't certified safe and effective for the relief of constipation, but anecdotally we know it works. Maybe you can try that if you come down with COVID-19? It has fewer adverse side effects than livestock dewormer or fish tank parasite treatment.

100%. Best advice in this thread, and honestly I do not think this discussion should be an influence on anybody of any sort. Yeah I am not a doctor either nor in any position to give advice: but I can see the idiocy that prevails with the antivaxxers, and this just promotes a wack thing,: such as drinking bleach or putting "UV light into the body":.
 
neptronix said:
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I see....... your super-elite pyramid child baby blood drinkin ruthless non-Californians and I.... Raise ya.... 1 Meme.

We got Forest Gump over here looking in boxxes of chocolates.

Yeah Im done. Yeah yall Covid Karens. I cannot believe Ive been called racist on this forum but yall are over here talking up horse dewormer. Yeah Imma name calling. Lol. I understand now why we keep on referencing it .. as " not a replacement for a vacc".. Spinny...

God damn. God damn the stupid. I read this thread when it first popped up with an open mind. Took it for what it may be. However, now I know the motivations, and inherent misinformation. Theres always a beginning, a middle, and an end, and there is usually a conflict in there somewhere. The vacc was young, the masks were not evil, the hope was nigh...

Dogg. Its a ridiculous concept. Its nothing personal against any one of yall within this discussion but,.... This 16 lb doggy is trying to drive down the cost of dewormer and yall keep on buying mine and getting sick. Grrrr Damn humans.
 

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Read clinical trials ( not metastudies ) and hospital experience reports with Ivermectin. You'll quickly understand why some people are fans of it. You may even change your opinion.

If you think it is just horse medicine, you are seriously uninformed to the wide variety of human applications that exist against parasites and viruses.

You need to understand what you are arguing against much better.
 
neptronix said:
I'm haven't got sick for the same reason doctors don't get sick despite having people cough and sneeze in their vicinity 40 hours a week. Doctors live in the most disease ridden environment on the planet and have the best immunity anyone can have.

From another post:

"I don't need the vaccine because I already had COVID." In a Kentucky study, people who had previous infections, but had not been vaccinated, were 2.3 times more likely to contract COVID again. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
 
Contrasting that, you also see reports like this:
COVID-19 reinfection rate less than 1 percent for those with severe illness, study finds
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210615132103.htm

Summary:
A review of more than 9,000 US patients with severe COVID-19 infection showed less than 1 percent contracted the illness again, with an average reinfection time of 3.5 months after an initial positive test.

They say that they found two confirmed deaths from reinfection. I know of an additional case. That puts us at 3, which, mathematically speaking, makes chance of death from reinfection lower than the small chance for a permanent vaccine side effect or dying from the vaccine itself.

I would love to get get reinfected. I want my immunity to be up to date with what is circulating, and know my next case will be mild.
 
Since we're talking about covid treatments here mostly, here's something interesting.

Like Venom Coursing Through the Body: Researchers Identify Mechanism Driving COVID-19 Mortality
https://news.arizona.edu/story/veno...identify-mechanism-driving-covid-19-mortality

the sPLA2-IIA enzyme, which has similarities to an active enzyme in rattlesnake venom, is found in low concentrations in healthy individuals and has long been known to play a critical role in defense against bacterial infections, destroying microbial cell membranes.

When the activated enzyme circulates at high levels, it has the capacity to "shred" the membranes of vital organs, said Floyd (Ski) Chilton, senior author on the paper and director of the UArizona Precision Nutrition and Wellness Initiative in the university's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences.

"It's a bell-shaped curve of disease resistance versus host tolerance," Chilton said. "In other words, this enzyme is trying to kill the virus, but at a certain point it is released in such high amounts that things head in a really bad direction, destroying the patient's cell membranes and thereby contributing to multiple organ failure and death."

Amazing research!!
 
About 3/4ths through this video, the panel of doctors detail how they are being prevented from conducting studies, or starting trials concerning the addition of ivermectin to any Covid treatment protocol.

A group of 300 patients who had a declining condition after receiving the standard Covid treatment protocol were given a "compassionate care" exemption to use any available drug as an "off label" prescription of ivermectin. 93% showed an instant improvement. The anticipated deaths for patients at this stage of care were cut in half.

The standard dose was 200-micrograms per kg of patient weight. In those cases where they determined they wanted to give the patient another dose, they waited 24 hours to give the second dose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNH6GVAATY

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^-- that was one of the early studies where i learned about Ivermectin and was surprised nobody was talking about it. they have similar results as those seen in foreign countries.

Text link to that study:
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(20)34898-4/fulltext

Mortality was significantly lower in the ivermectin group (13.3% vs 24.5%; OR, 0.47; 95% CI, 0.22-0.99; P < .05), an 11.2% (95% CI, 0.38%-22.1%) absolute risk reduction, with a number needed to treat of 8.9 (95% CI, 4.5-263).
Interpretation
Ivermectin treatment was associated with lower mortality during treatment of COVID-19, especially in patients with severe pulmonary involvement. Randomized controlled trials are needed to confirm these findings.
 
I have suddenly been hearing a lot about "monoclonal anti-body" treatments...Hmmm, I wonder why?

Today, with major rapid advancements in genetic sequencing and the translation of basic medical sciences research into clinical practice, humanised monoclonal antibodies are now the fastest growing group of biotechnology-derived molecules in clinical trials currently [1]. The global value of the antibody market is approximately $20 billion per year

edit: I'm certain monoclonal antibody therapy works, its just that its patented and expensive. The people reading this will not be the people getting this therapy.
 
I found this link:
https://www.principletrial.org/news/ivermectin-to-be-investigated-as-a-possible-treatment-for-covid-19-in-oxford2019s-principle-trial

PRINCIPLE is a innovation in the UK NHS prescribing system that runs randomised trials in real time - by offering doctors a choice to participate or not. It had a success earlier in the pandemic with changes to treatment regimes.

I can't find any UK sources on this later than 23rd June. If they had found something one way or the other it would have been widely publicised, so I guess the study is ongoing. A problem could be that the high rate of vaccine uptake in the UK is starving it of subjects.

Just to be clear, I am expressing no opinion with this - just for information.
 
by spinningmagnets » Aug 25 2021 4:03pm

I have suddenly been hearing a lot about "monoclonal anti-body" treatments...Hmmm, I wonder why?

Just heard it on the evening news. Gov Greg Abbot (TX) Stated that anyone that has had Corvid should enter in therapee with monoclonal anti-body treatments.
 
Pick, that PRINCIPLE trial is in the enrollment stage. it's a good thing they're giving ivermectin another solid trial though.
 
ZeroEm said:
by spinningmagnets » Aug 25 2021 4:03pm

I have suddenly been hearing a lot about "monoclonal anti-body" treatments...Hmmm, I wonder why?

Just heard it on the evening news. Gov Greg Abbot (TX) Stated that anyone that has had Corvid should enter in therapee with monoclonal anti-body treatments.


The governor of Florida is all for it too. He is against vaccination but thinks treatment after you are hospitalized is great. :?:
 
nicobie said:
The governor of Florida is all for it too. He is against vaccination but thinks treatment after you are hospitalized is great. :?:

From what I've read, Ron DeSantis is encouraging Florida residents to get vaccinated, but is generally against mandates for those who are unwilling. If you have a source that says otherwise, I'd be glad to take a look at it.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/21/desantis-these-vaccines-are-saving-lives/
 
France (along with most of the EU) has universal healthcare, which means the government funds hospitalizations, rather than the hospitals being "for profit", and the government has every incentive to use anything that actually works.

The "Université de Lorraine" has tested Ivermectin as an additive therapy coupled with vaccination, and their testing of Ivermectin shows that it:

we show that ivermectin could be regarded as a multitarget agent, inhibiting different viral functions. These include blocking the recognition by the SARS-CoV-2 Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) of the Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2), the interactions with the two viral proteases 3CLpro and PLpro, and the SARS Unique Domain (SUD) non-structural protein. Hence, the wide spectrum of actions involving i) the interference with cell infection, ii) the inhibition of viral replication, and iii) elusion of the host immune system

1) Makes it hard for the virus to continue infecting cells
2) Makes it difficult for the virus to reproduce
3) Makes it hard for the virus to hide from immune system anti-bodies.

https://chemrxiv.org/engage/chemrxiv/article-details/60c74eab0f50db229e397295
 
India has a modern medical system, in fact many doctors from there come to the US because the pay is better, and their training matches the US standards. They are "pro-vaccine" but India simply cannot get enough vaccines to go around. Over 100-million have been vaccinated (The US population is 328-million), but India has over a billion people. A billion with a "B".

Some Indian states have begun prescribing ivermectin to citizens for free, and one state has banned its use for Covid.

Cases in Delhi, where Ivermectin was begun on April 20, dropped from 28,395 to just 2,260 on May 22. This represents an astounding 92% drop

Meanwhile, Tamil Nadu announced on May 14 they were outlawing Ivermectin in favor of the politically correct Remdesivir. As a result, Tamil Nadu's cases are up in the same time frame from April 20 to May 22 - 10,986 to 35,873 - more than a tripling

Tamil Nadu has been on strict lockdown for weeks as their cases have done nothing but climb

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opi...cle_b6b7afd8-bd77-11eb-8259-af11e3c83aea.html

Delhi and Uttar Pradesh followed the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) guidance published April 20, 2021, which called for dosing of 0.2 mg per kg of Ivermectin per body weight for three days. This amounts to 15 mg per day for a 150-pound person or 18 mg per day for a 200-pound individual
 
From u/gengisK4HN (a poster on reddit.com)

Let's start with India

https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/comments/p9q5yr/indias_ivermectin_blackout_dheli_obliterating_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Hope it helps!

Panel review of ivermectin reporting that "ivermectin in the dose of 12mg BD alone or in combination with other therapy for 5–7 days may be considered as safe therapeutic option for mild moderate or severe cases of Covid-19 infection. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0019570720301025

Retrospective 148 hospitalized patients showing triple therapy with ivermectin atorvastatin N-acetylcysteine resulted in a 1.35% case fatality rate which was well below the national average. https://www.worldwidejournals.com/international-journal-of-scientific-research-(IJSR)/recent_issues_pdf/2020/October/observational-study-on-clinical-features-treatment-and-outcome-of-covid-19-in-a-tertiary-care-centre-in-india--a-retrospective-case-series_October_2020_1614017661_0932284.pdf

Ivermectin shortens durations of symptoms from 10 days to 3 days. https://www.biomedres.info/biomedical-research/effects-of-ivermectinazithromycincholecalciferol-combined-therapy-on-covid19-infected-patients-a-proof-of-concept-study-14435.html

Review suggesting that ivermectin may be useful for late stage COVID-19. Authors note that ivermectin, in doses at or modestly above the standard clinical dose, may have important clinical potential for managing disorders associated with life-threatening respiratory distress and cytokine storm, such as advanced COVID-19. https://openheart.bmj.com/content/7/2/e001350

Ivermectin lowered deaths by 87.9% in a study from Argentina https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.10.20191619v1

Retrospective study of 115 ivermectin patients and 133 control patients showing significantly lower death and faster viral clearance with Ivermectin https://www.archbronconeumol.org/en-ivermectin-treatment-may-improve-prognosis-articulo-S030028962030288X

A study showing that ivermectin is capable of interfering in different key steps of the SARS-CoV-2 replication cycle. https://chemrxiv.org/articles/preprint/Has_Ivermectin_Virus-Directed_Effects_against_SARS-CoV-2_Rationalizing_the_Action_of_a_Potential_Multitarget_Antiviral_Agent/12782258/1

RCT for ivermectin doxycycline showing improvements in mortality, recovery, progression, and virological cure. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03000605211013550

How does it work? The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro

Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro. A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Ivermectin as a Broad-Spectrum Host-Directed Antiviral: The Real Deal?

Excitingly, cell culture experiments show robust antiviral action towards HIV-1, dengue virus (DENV), Zika virus, West Nile virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Chikungunya virus, Pseudorabies virus, adenovirus, and SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7564151/

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies • Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 76% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.24 [0.14-0.41] and 0.15 [0.09-0.25]), with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, restriction to peer-reviewed studies, and restriction to Randomized Controlled Trials. • 81% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.19 [0.07-0.54] and 0.04 [0.00-0.58]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance. 28 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation. https://ivmmeta.com/

Ivermectin has been found to reduce COVID-19 mortality by 81% https://archive.is/g11nU

It’s also safe, inexpensive and widely available, with decades of clinical usage suggesting it has a “high margin of safety.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26954318/

In one trial, 58 volunteers took 12 milligrams of ivermectin once per month for four months. Only four (6.96%) came down with mild COVID-19 symptoms during the May through August 2020 trial period. In comparison, 44 of 60 health care workers (73.3%) who had declined the medication were diagnosed with COVID-19.

https://www.ejmed.org/index.php/ejmed/article/view/599

If you were to say, tell me the characteristics of a perfect drug to treat COVID-19, what would you ask for?’ he [Marik] said. ‘I think you would ask firstly for something that’s safe, that’s cheap, that’s readily available, and has anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties.

People would say, ‘That’s ridiculous. There could not possibly be a drug that has all of those characteristics. That’s just unreasonable. But we do have such a drug. The drug is called Ivermectin.’

If it was universally distributed at a dose that costs ten American cents in India and about the cost of a Big Mac in the United States, he said, Ivermectin would save countless lives, crush variants, eliminate the need for endless big pharma booster shots, and end the pandemic all over the world.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

In June 2020, a study also found ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, with a single treatment leading to a 5,000-fold reduction in virus after 48 hours.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

3.7 billion doses have been administered in the last 40 years, with serious side effects extremely rare

https://www.mountainhomemag.com/2021/05/01/356270/the-drug-that-cracked-covid

“‘We have a solution to this crisis,’ he said. ‘There is a drug that is proving to be of miraculous impact,’ ...‘When I say miracle, I do not use that term lightly. And I don’t want to be sensationalized when I say that.

It’s a scientific recommendation based on mountains of data that has emerged in the last three months … from many centers and countries around the world showing the miraculous effectiveness of Ivermectin. It basically obliterates transmission of this virus. If you take it, you will not get sick.’”

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Mexico City starts handing out Ivermectin to the Covid positives, hospitalizations plummet. Facebook still tells me Ivermectin is dangerous. https://trialsitenews.com/mexico-city-wide-innovative-population-level-study-administers-ivermectin-based-home-kits-with-drastic-reduction-in-hospitalizations/

India covid cases plummet 80% to 90% after states embrace Ivermectin, one state bans ivermectin treatment: cases have tripled https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/is-ivermectin-the-new-penicillin/article_b6b7afd8-bd77-11eb-8259-af11e3c83aea.html

How it works

Firstly it docks to ace2 receptor sites so when sars-cov tries to use it's spike protein (the proteins the vaccines teach your body to produce via RNA) to latch onto the ace2 receptor, it is completely blocked from doing so. Can't latch on, can't infect. Ivermectin literally docks itself to the spike protein and the receptor for that spike protein.

But wait there's more. Ivermectin binds to glutamate-gated CHLORIDE channels bin the membranes of invertebrate nerve and muscle cells causing INCREASED PERMEABILITY TO CHLORIDE IONS, resulting in cellular hyper-polarizarion followed by paralysis and virus-cell death's

Not only does it get directly in between the sars-cov spike protein and the ace2 receptors it binds to (preventing further infection) but it also opens channels for chloride to enter cells and kill the viruses that way...like a disinfectant. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871846/

The numbers in Delhi after they included Ivermectin in the protocol. Delhi is a city with 30 million inhabitants and, as of August 11, saw 37 new cases and ZERO deaths. By contrast, Tamil Nadu, a city of 78 million, saw 1964 new cases and 28 new deaths.

Tamil Nadu shares their rejection of Ivermectin and choose to use Remdesivir (from Gilead Pharma) in common with the United States.

As of August 10, the United States, with 331 million inhabitants, saw 161,990 new cases and 1,049 new deaths. Uttar Pradesh is a state in India of comparable population to the US. Uttar Pradesh contains 241 million people. On August 10, Uttar Pradesh saw only 19 new cases and ONE death, over 1,000 times lower than the US.

The evidence in favor of Ivermectin is massive and overwhelming, which includes W.H.O. scientists Drs. Tess Lawrie's and Andrew Hill's recent highly-regarded and peer-reviewed publications [for anyone who wishes to show scientific data to their doctors]:

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofab358/6316214

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

Dr. Pierre Kory also published a review:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Dr. Peter McCullough similarly published via preprint yet another review and all of these strongly showed the drug to be safe and effective against COVID-19.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.06.21259924v1

What should alarm any reader is that Dr. Tess Lawrie reports that Dr. Andrew Hill's paper's conclusion was changed by his sponsor, and Dr. Hill was given a gag order on speaking to the media.
 
By the metrics i would have evaluated a drug in early research while doing drug development reporting, i would have considered ivermectin an ideal treatment due to it's efficacy and already well-established, and extremely good safety profile.

The frequently cited 'evidence' against ivermectin is meta-studies which have cherry picked certain data.
Meta studies are the most common way to twist the picture of anything in science, and are not scientific findings in themselves. Meta studies are the main vehicle of delivery for bullshit artists in science.

That's not to say some meta studies don't draw correct conclusions. But i just wouldn't believe one at it's word without confirming every aspect of it - which is a pain in the ass to do.
 
Side note. This came out of the PRINCIPLE trial on aug 11:

https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/...budesonide-to-treat-covid-19-in-the-community

Overall, 4,700 participants were randomly assigned to either usual care (n=1,988), usual care plus 800μg of inhaled budesonide twice daily for 14 days (n=1,073), or usual care plus other interventions (n=1,639), and were then followed up for 28 days. The primary endpoints were time to first self-reported recovery, and hospital admission or death related to COVID-19, within 28 days.

Researchers found that, compared with the usual care group, participants using inhaled budesonide recovered an estimated 2.94 days sooner, had a greater sense of wellbeing while recovering and, once recovered, more often remained well.

For the hospital admission or death outcome, the estimated rate was 6.8% in the budesonide group, compared with 8.8% in the usual care group; although this failed to meet the superiority threshold.

So, in their findings, this cheap medication shaves 3 days off a hospital stay and reduces the rate of death, versus the current treatment protocol. That's a huge deal, and shows how non-optimal our current protocols are!
 
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