Lipo question xt90 series

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hi

can i connect 3x 4s multistar lipo, together with 2x xt90 series harness

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XT90-Series-for-two-batteries-LiPo-battery-DJI-UK-supplier-/271531992054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f389163f6#shpCntId


another question, can i keep lipos outside, i the shadow, in a Styrofoam box (temp swings) - don’t want them in the basement any more?
 
Fairly skinny looking wire there, so not good for huge discharge rates.

Besides, to series connect, you just take the nice fat 5mm bullets they come with, and connect em black to red. So IMO that's a waste of money.

I use an old fridge to keep my lipo outside, so the foam box is not a bad idea. It might get warmer than you'd like in there in summer, but it won't get warmer than you like inside the house. :mrgreen:
 
Those connectors, and harness especially, are very poor connections for batteries that can discharge so much current. Better make your own, unless you are pulling only low power and use RC lipo for the sole advantage of weight and size.
 
I'd cut the XT90 connectors off and replace them with large gold bullet connectors so you don't need a harness and can just plug one into another. I use XT connectors to connect the pack to the controller, but they're worthless as a single connector on an rc pack if you need to series them since you can't split the leads.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X8mm+bullet+connectors.TRS0&_nkw=8mm+bullet+connectors&_sacat=0
 
Oh, duh, now I get it. the packs have xtc90's on them, which makes series connecting them a bitch.

Make connectors that adapt from XTC to bullets, so when those packs wear out, you can just move the adapter to new ones like them would make some sense.

Or just put bullets on the packs.
 
If they bake in the heat in that box, they will die soon. A fire at your house is trouble whether it starts on the inside of the walls or the outside. Inside you have the advantage of smoke detectors warning you of trouble before your exits are blocked. I store lipo in the fireplace.

XT90 plugs are not ideal, but they are 90 amp rated, and they are a 5mm bullet plug, just in a fancy housing. That connector you linked us junk. the wire is too thin. But it's easy enough to copy that except as a 3X to string your batteries together.
 
yes they have xt90 on them, thought that i could use the harness 2 of them and connect 3 batt. in series.
i can cut and connect them together, no problem, but harnesses seemed easier.
i use xt90 on my controller -> batt. which it does well

I live in an apartment building, the batts are now stored in an old metal mailbox and lipo sack, so im not worried about fire, but the smoke damage. nasty stuff in it.
the weather here is london-like :)
so the temp in the shadow is not that big of a problem, moisture may be worse, and minus (c) degrees later.

i have an old freezer, that i don't use, maybe put that outside.without power of course.
or buy a small travel fridge an run it, too keep things cool.

37 usd for a 10.000 mah battery is a great deal. :twisted:
 
I just silver soldered 1" splices in 8ga, series of 4 new bricks of RC Lipo.

F*** the connectors, welding makes minimal resistance, maximum hold. I used to series them with the 5.5 gold bullits that they are coming with, but connectors always get black and weakening on the long term. I never had to split a lipo pack until worn out anyway.
 
In summer, I bring my good lipo inside where it's below 80F, and store it under the smoke detector, also in my fireplace.

But old half dead stuff stays in my old refrigerator, and stays below 90F, better than in a plain metal box, that would be 160F inside it.

In the fall, winter, and spring, all the lipo goes out in the fridge, where it never freezes in my climate. It might get to 15 f out there, but the lipo bunker is above 32F.

You should do a metal box, inside the thick foam ice chest. Shade it if possible, and make sure water won't get in.
 
hi



okay thanks, i got 2 Styrofoam containers. lipo sack and extra water protection.

its London like weather so im not concerned about heat - it's been a sh-t summer here, cold and rainy. around 20 c max. :(
minus 15 c max in winter, bad for lipo i guess.



the basement was perfect for lipo around 12-15c year round. too bad. i don't have a fireplace unfortunately. but safety first :)
 

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I have a similar XT90 series adapter from hobby king. I think the one I have uses beefy wires, seems like 10ga to me, but I'm no expert. It seems to be the same kind of teflon-coated cable they sell in bulk as 10ga. Either way, it's heavy, very flexible, feels very high quality to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ebay one is the same thing, but I don't know. I wonder if some people don't realize how big XT90 is. Some might be used to XT60, which looks identical, just smaller. If you know how big XT90's are, the ebay pic wires look big to me. The xt90 connectors will only take up to a certain width wire anyway, I believe that's the 10ga.

I run two multistars in series for my current little ebike, which only maxes out around 700W by my calculations, but I've never felt the wires be even perceptibly warm, though the lamp cord style wire on the motor side has been felt to be barely warm before. This'll be a more important factor on my next build though.

I need to be able to remove my batteries to charge them. Maybe it's my ignorance, but bullet connectors scare me, and Multistars already come with XT90 connectors. (BTW, the wires on my battery are, IIRC, the same thickness as the wires in my Serial adapter.) I don't have any experience w/bullet connectors, but I've seen them used in videos. Bullet connectors leaves a wire lead exposed. XT90 is less exposed. I really like having the adapters. It gives me peace of mind. With XT90 connectors, I don't have to worry as much about plugging something in wrong. Now when we start to get into using two adapters to put 3 batteries in series, which nobody answered yet, that is a different story. The answer is, Yes, I think you can take the output of 2 batteries on one adapter, feed it into another adapter plus another battery, and then plug that into your motor.

The way I see it, not being very experienced and not wanting to make a mistake, the best way to do things with something approaching a harness with the XT90 system, is to tape up where the non-battery connectors join (motor and to the other adapter), which basically become your harness, once it's done right, so they won't get accidentally unplugged. That way, only the batteries will disconnect, which can then be charged off-bike. When you put them back, if there's an open XT90 connection, a battery goes on there. Easy. I would also come up with a labeling scheme, and possibly use different colors of tape, so I know what each connector actually is. At some point, I even considered a 3S2P setup, where that would've been extremely important.

Hobbyking (not that I'm endorsing them) also sells much smaller, basically solid adapters, with basically no wires in-between. Both serial and parallel, I think. Which are similar looking, so again differentiate them somehow if you get both; or get the long wire adapter for one type of adapter [S or P], and the solid no-wires adapter for the other. After getting the 'wires' adapter like you linked to, I realized the Multistars I have already have a decent amount of wire coming from them, so I found I didn't need the extra length the wired adapters gave, though I thought I might when I ordered it all online.

I'm interested in ebike.ca's Cycle Satiator, as it seems to be an on-bike charging system (in which case you could tape shut only the motor-to-harness XT90's), but I haven't figured out how lipo cells balance using that thing, and discussion I've seen has been devoid of that topic. I can't figure out how the Satiator is anything but a precise bulk charger, even after reading their product page and Justin's OP about it on this forum, but I haven't put a huge amount of study into it. The biggest pain in my system above would be removing each battery to charge it. Which isn't a huge deal if you're not a commuter. But those XT90 adapters can be a b*tch to pull apart (even with some silicone grease on the plastic). I assume when using the Satiator that you have to put separate external balancers on each battery, but I really don't know, and wouldn't mind if someone told me briefly, even though I don't want to push the thread much off-point.

I remember what it's like to be a noob, because I still consider myself one a year later, and his question is a very good one. When most of the senior people started here, the lipo packs were smaller, and usually didn't come with XT syle connectors. I imagine most were bullet or some smaller type of connector, and they ended up making a lot of their own stuff, and changing smaller batteries around in different configurations, which bullet connectors are good for. The idea of accidentally shorting a pack freaks me out, and if that means using adapters like the OP linked to, so be it, despite the soft shaming here (though not ill-intended), not restricted to the talk of silver solder and welders and such, which is silly talk for most newbs. Yeah, you could solder up your own harness, but if you can buy two adapters for ten bucks which does the same thing and is safer out of the box, yeah, that's a valid option. At that point, the only question is whether everything's hooked up right, and the current handling, which would be the same question if you made your own.
 
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