sounds like a liberal who thinks electric cars are the answer. maybe someone should look into the process of making a battery and how it is not environment friendly. gas and electric are not the answer to the pollution problem. must be nice to be a armchair guarterback with all the answers. please stay in california.
Lying Car Companies
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Voltron
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No matter what ones political leanings, if somebody hadn't uncovered the truth, all we would be hearing would be lies from unaccountable corporate executives, while millions suffer around the world from those lies.
And personally, I think controlling ones own consumption and breeding desires is the answer, not any one technology.
P.S. California by itself world be the world's 6th largest economy, and if it withdrew from the USA would send the remainder into a giant tailspin if it's agriculture, tech industry and federal tax base suddenly because unavailable.
And personally, I think controlling ones own consumption and breeding desires is the answer, not any one technology.
P.S. California by itself world be the world's 6th largest economy, and if it withdrew from the USA would send the remainder into a giant tailspin if it's agriculture, tech industry and federal tax base suddenly because unavailable.
LockH
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Hehe... Watts it called, "fresh air"? Being a 21st-centry urban guy, and moving around a lot, all my life, last year spent a few weeks in a ground floor room in a motel, less than 20ft. from a busy, four lane arterial road that managed to get a little quieter some times, late at night, some nights.
Being a "mega-city" (a bunch of small towns stuck together... like a lot of places I guess), the city has a few air quality monitoring stations scattered around. Most with instruments carefully mounted 20 or more feet above ground level, where most days for travelers on land its actually MUCH "worse", especially in the "canyons" between rows of tall buildings that line both sides of the street:
http://www.airqualityontario.com/aqhi/today.php?sites=31103
... and for many days, the index goes up/down each day at the city wakes up and drives to work in the mornings... lulls, then gets still "worse" for the evening "rush hours" - which actually last for hours.
Anyway. For many millions of folks, "free fresh air" is just a "pipe dream" these days. :wink:
Being a "mega-city" (a bunch of small towns stuck together... like a lot of places I guess), the city has a few air quality monitoring stations scattered around. Most with instruments carefully mounted 20 or more feet above ground level, where most days for travelers on land its actually MUCH "worse", especially in the "canyons" between rows of tall buildings that line both sides of the street:
http://www.airqualityontario.com/aqhi/today.php?sites=31103
... and for many days, the index goes up/down each day at the city wakes up and drives to work in the mornings... lulls, then gets still "worse" for the evening "rush hours" - which actually last for hours.
Anyway. For many millions of folks, "free fresh air" is just a "pipe dream" these days. :wink:
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I wonder why people come to an EV forum like this to run interference for car companies, dismiss or minimize global warning and try to make EV proponents look like villains? You couldn't pay me to post about banning guns in an NRA forum...
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Punx0r said:
It's true that we can't ignore the pollution and energy use behind lithium batteries and solar panels, but it's better to be moving in the direction of clean sustainability than to be moving directly away from it.
LockH
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Hehe... Given the three components of energy as generation, storage, and use... and that about our only source for generation is solar - from our sun ... MY fav source for generation is still from the winds. Having traveled many thousands of miles, on water, using sails as "motive power". :wink: With "hydro" from water and gravity being a close Number Two for generation.
TheBeastie
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The average level of co2 in the world is about 410ppm.
One of the biggest emitters of co2 in the world is 7.5 billion humans just breathing.
Every time we exhale, that exhaled area co2 is at an incredibly high co2 40,000 ppm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Human_physiology
The combined effect of co2 from everyone breathing out does the coal/gas electricity emissions of most small-sized countries.
That's why in your classroom/bedroom with no windows or doors/vents open gets very high and can make you sleepy.
In a concealed area like a car its 4,000ppm (ten times outside).
In submarines etc the max level is set at 8000ppm co2.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*GvZptuCpo6ul_sng7CbPQg.png
All mammals are well adapted to co2 levels (and plants love it for photosynthesis https://youtu.be/0C9yLPbqTVw ), what would be great to see in all vehicles are cars that emit none of the other nasty gases, if they could just emit pure co2 then you could consider them just heavy breathing humans in the world.
A car that emits just pure co2 and nothing else would be a great achievement in its self, believe it or not. We have been over conditioned with co2 when there are plenty of bad gases out there from car emissions that should go away first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZN6QuAdxLI
[youtube]KZN6QuAdxLI[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/XVUAgcSCP_U
[youtube]XVUAgcSCP_U[/youtube]
One of the biggest emitters of co2 in the world is 7.5 billion humans just breathing.
Every time we exhale, that exhaled area co2 is at an incredibly high co2 40,000 ppm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Human_physiology
The combined effect of co2 from everyone breathing out does the coal/gas electricity emissions of most small-sized countries.
That's why in your classroom/bedroom with no windows or doors/vents open gets very high and can make you sleepy.
In a concealed area like a car its 4,000ppm (ten times outside).
In submarines etc the max level is set at 8000ppm co2.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*GvZptuCpo6ul_sng7CbPQg.png
All mammals are well adapted to co2 levels (and plants love it for photosynthesis https://youtu.be/0C9yLPbqTVw ), what would be great to see in all vehicles are cars that emit none of the other nasty gases, if they could just emit pure co2 then you could consider them just heavy breathing humans in the world.
A car that emits just pure co2 and nothing else would be a great achievement in its self, believe it or not. We have been over conditioned with co2 when there are plenty of bad gases out there from car emissions that should go away first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZN6QuAdxLI
[youtube]KZN6QuAdxLI[/youtube]
https://youtu.be/XVUAgcSCP_U
[youtube]XVUAgcSCP_U[/youtube]
LockH
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slacker said:
LockH said:
Here is the correct link: They are talking about nickel mining. They don't use much nickel in a Tesla battery.
https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...en-environmental-cost-electric-cars-batteries
LockH
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^^ Hehe... In this new world watt runs on fear and ignorance... ya have to imagine the worst possible scenario... and then make it worse. :wink:
DRMousseau
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I don't remember anything about the Air Pollution Act of '55,... what impact or concerns it had, I was a bit too young. But I do remember those that followed, the Clean Air Act of '63, the Air Quality Act of '67 (acid rain was a HUGE concern then, affecting our waters and environment), and of course with the MOST impact, The Clean Air Act of '70 (along with all the following complicating amendments of '77 and the '90s). I lived in the industrial areas of the Great Lakes and had FAR more concerns of our waters at the time, that were being addressed by other Acts during the same eras,... and none too soon!!! Our Waters have GREATLY improved since then,... and so has our Air, as I distinctly recall the stinging grossness I experienced in the early-mid '70s when I lived in the extremes of California and elsewhere. Yes,... it is MUCH better today.
I also recall the increasing consumer costs that were evolving with the same. AND the increasing lies and cheats of businesses, corporations AND our government politicians and bureaucrats that has surrounded it all ever since then!!! Heck, I was employed by many of those businesses and corps, and effected many cheats against policies MYSELF, and like many others, I did so as a private consumer as well!!! Tell me your not, or have never been in violation of "law" in some way, and you'll be marked "a liar" too!
"For DECADES,... no new law has been effected nor even CONSIDERED, unless it is profitable for government and/or Corporate America, under the PRETENSE of preserving the Safety, Rights, Liberties and Freedoms of "We the People..." (consumers)!!!!"
And the level of PROPAGANDA in recent decades, from every source, has escalated beyond all imagined. And those of "oil" sometimes seem the worst, and are probably the most misleading. It's about "Carbon", right??? Carbon Monoxide, and carbon dioxide,... hydro-carbons, petro-carbons, poly-carbons, etc., etc..
The 4th(?) most abundant element of the universe (by mass), 14th(?) most abundant in the earths crust, and 2nd most abundant (by mass) in the human body and other earthly life forms.
Yup,.... as a carbon based lifeform, on a carbon based planet, in a carbon based universe,.... WE'RE DOOMED???
(Think everyone's been inhaling too much nitrogen lately.) :wink:
I also recall the increasing consumer costs that were evolving with the same. AND the increasing lies and cheats of businesses, corporations AND our government politicians and bureaucrats that has surrounded it all ever since then!!! Heck, I was employed by many of those businesses and corps, and effected many cheats against policies MYSELF, and like many others, I did so as a private consumer as well!!! Tell me your not, or have never been in violation of "law" in some way, and you'll be marked "a liar" too!
"For DECADES,... no new law has been effected nor even CONSIDERED, unless it is profitable for government and/or Corporate America, under the PRETENSE of preserving the Safety, Rights, Liberties and Freedoms of "We the People..." (consumers)!!!!"
And the level of PROPAGANDA in recent decades, from every source, has escalated beyond all imagined. And those of "oil" sometimes seem the worst, and are probably the most misleading. It's about "Carbon", right??? Carbon Monoxide, and carbon dioxide,... hydro-carbons, petro-carbons, poly-carbons, etc., etc..
The 4th(?) most abundant element of the universe (by mass), 14th(?) most abundant in the earths crust, and 2nd most abundant (by mass) in the human body and other earthly life forms.
Yup,.... as a carbon based lifeform, on a carbon based planet, in a carbon based universe,.... WE'RE DOOMED???
(Think everyone's been inhaling too much nitrogen lately.) :wink:
TheBeastie said:
Humans exhale about 3 billion tons of CO2 a year. All of that comes from plants, which absorb that CO2 from the air. That's why it's called a "carbon cycle."
Burning coal releases about 1.2 billion tons of CO2 a year. All of that comes from the ground, and is not reabsorbed.
If all that burning came from plant based fuels, yes, it would solve the problem. As long as it's gasoline, or diesel, it just makes the problem worse.
Voltron
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Technically coal is a plant based fuel... its just prehistoric plants. It's still an ecological nightmare when you burns lots of it of course...
LockH
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fechter said: