Mid-Drive <40kg alternatives to the LMX free-ride frame???

RalterWöhrl

RalterWöhrl

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Do things like these exist already? Complete bike around 35-38kg like the LMX?
After years of Quad/4wheel-motoX I just recently founding out about the whole ebike pleasure and possabilitys nowadays after getting introduced into Adams wonderful movie:

[youtube]QxpTnGyafY0[/youtube]


I did alot of reasearch the last days but found the market very limiting, I found the eTRICKS R01 but it just lacks the "punch". I than discovered the qulbix Q140R complete bike which has the punch but is way to heavy and expensive imho.

Would love to hear your guys alternative ideas!!!

Thanks alot, and nice greetings from germany :)

- Robert
 
do you need pedals??
if not then how about an oset 20 or 24??
[youtube]REeeYtp-8qE[/youtube]

if you get the LMX frame then the forum here will help you build it up:)..
 
 
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
do you need pedals??
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No, not at all, I dont plan it be "street legal" in any way. I just want a little free-roder for none-pavement bashing :D

Funny that you posted that video, as it was exactly THAT clip which turned my mind after a friend showed it to me a week ago!
Since then I am doing research everyday to find the ride which exactly delivers what I am looking for. My GF says I am obsessed, but I am just a rider really ;)

The Oset/Macatecno 20" bikes are really nice and light, I actually test drove the OSET racing. But I fear their tiny geometry and slow speed would not fulfill my free-ride needs in the long term :/
The Kuberg Free-rider was actually something which really catched my attention, but the lack of power and its tiny 20" wheels are really missing the point.
I then found out about qulbrix and these sort of bikes, but they all share one huge fault, rear motor and heavy over all weight.

Therefor I was so happy to finally finding out about adams LMX creation. Cauze beeing center balanced and light weight is such a game changer imho for "FREE"-riding.
You have to consider i am not a big guy, just like him around 175cm and <80kg, I like to be able in control of the bike, not the opposite ;)




SlowCo said:
And to wet your appetite further, look at these threads:
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Thanks slowco! These are great source for some more reasearch, to bad these are all having weight around 50kg or more as complete bikes. Also together with the rear hub-motor, its to much disadvantage in my opinion.
Adams LMX frame has around 35kg and is still set as a mid-drive frame, deadly advanced combination if you ask me!

Seems like there are no competitor if it comes to these two criteria?
 
Qulbix Raptor (CroMotor/Sabvoton) 90kph Flyby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrFzha8R1oU


However, having modded ebikes before, here are my comments:

- So, no demo reel on how fast it stops? Braking, especially on steep hills going downhill, is problematic on most bicycles. The bicycle tires can't stop like a sticky scooter tire.

- Is the e-bicyclist protected by the proper helmet, padded leather pants, etc?


E-cyclist, no gloves, going 120kph?? - death wish?
Stealth Bomber Electric Bike and Adaptto - 120km/h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADv6uNJcZAs
 
RalterWöhrl said:
Do things like these exist already? Complete bike around 35-38kg like the LMX?
After years of Quad/4wheel-motoX I just recently founding out about the whole ebike pleasure and possabilitys nowadays after getting introduced into Adams wonderful movie:

I did alot of reasearch the last days but found the market very limiting, I found the eTRICKS R01 but it just lacks the "punch". I than discovered the qulbix Q140R complete bike which has the punch but is way to heavy and expensive imho.

Would love to hear your guys alternative ideas!!!
Thanks alot, and nice greetings from germany :)

- Robert
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There is evolutiongts that but the same bht on a mongoose cx https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63428

I did the same to my xc ride and kept the pedals (bht is a little monster), but always wanted to try more fr/dh so will be building on an eastgem gross-m frame next. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70616&start=50

If you choose diy and want good power/weight on a light fr/dh, maybe an lr kit and fav bike of your choice is a good place to start? Here's some bikes from Switzerland- https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=68182

But, as far as a purpose built buyable bike like lmx, I only know of lmx!
 
BahamasBiker said:
- Is the e-bicyclist protected by the proper helmet, padded leather pants, etc?

E-cyclist, no gloves, going 120kph?? - death wish?
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Those kind of comments make me want to hop on my ebike and go for a top speed run with just eye protection instead of the full face moto helmet I use most of the time, and that top speed is somewhere north of 170kph. My usual attire of course...flip flops, shorts, t-shirt, etc...no gloves, padding etc, which is for those who can reasonably expect to crash and can still quite easily end up dead even with protection. The more exposed you are the more careful you will ride, it's simple human nature just like you will walk with much more care along a path on which one side is a cliff vs a path in a city park.

Of course certain cycling activities demand safety gear, but that's when the activity has high expectations of crashing, (off-road, aggressive riding, etc). OTOH it's quite simple to ride even extremely fast in a manner that your risk of crashing approaches 0, so "death wish" is a ridiculous description, especially when power and speed can drastically decrease overall risk. eg Riding on a highway where the traffic flow is 100-120kph would be drastically safer with no safety gear that it would be to ride on the same road at 70-80kph or less with every type of gear imaginable.
 
RalterWöhrl said:
Do things like these exist already? Complete bike around 35-38kg like the LMX?
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Hi Robert,

Are you talking about buying a complete, or mostly complete rig, or something you want to build yourself? I wouldn't get too caught up in such a specific weight range, because it's not a pedal bicycle where a few kilos has a big effect on power-to-weight. More important than total weight is where the concentrated weight of motor and batteries is located, and I agree completely that mid-drive is the way to go for ripping around like you want to do. To me the biggest impact on bike weight for that scenario is how much range you want (more batts weigh more), wheel maintenance and strength (you don't have to fiddle with moto wheels nearly as much, but there's a significant weight penalty), and sound levels (almost every mid-drive I've seen is way to noisy for my taste, and lower rpm for less noise means a heavier motor at the same power).
 
BahamasBiker said:
The bicycle tires can't stop like a sticky scooter tire.
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Try me. Using 3.0 bicycle tires and Hope M6 125mm brakes, I have shorter braking distance than ANY scooter or motorcycle.
 
if you liked the oset video then check out : ecocycle.moto ..
its a bit bigger.. (not sure how to get one from columbia though)..
[youtube]oARvmn3Cnz8[/youtube]
https://www.facebook.com/Moto10.Colombia

RalterWöhrl said:
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
do you need pedals??
Click to expand...
No, not at all, I dont plan it be "street legal" in any way. I just want a little free-roder for none-pavement bashing :D

Funny that you posted that video, as it was exactly THAT clip which turned my mind after a friend showed it to me a week ago!
Since then I am doing research everyday to find the ride which exactly delivers what I am looking for. My GF says I am obsessed, but I am just a rider really ;)

The Oset/Macatecno 20" bikes are really nice and light, I actually test drove the OSET racing. But I fear their tiny geometry and slow speed would not fulfill my free-ride needs in the long term :/
The Kuberg Free-rider was actually something which really catched my attention, but the lack of power and its tiny 20" wheels are really missing the point.
I then found out about qulbrix and these sort of bikes, but they all share one huge fault, rear motor and heavy over all weight.

Therefor I was so happy to finally finding out about adams LMX creation. Cauze beeing center balanced and light weight is such a game changer imho for "FREE"-riding.
You have to consider i am not a big guy, just like him around 175cm and <80kg, I like to be able in control of the bike, not the opposite ;)
Click to expand...
 
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:
do you need pedals??
if not then how about an oset 20 or 24??
[youtube]REeeYtp-8qE[/youtube]

if you get the LMX frame then the forum here will help you build it up:)..
Click to expand...

A few of us have modified the Oset 20's. I added 3.5inches to the swing arm and sleeved it, axle plates, changed battery's, gearing, moto seat....its a fun lil rig. still along way to go with it.
 
Hi there,
I am Daniel from Germany and new to this forum. I love riding my KTM 690 as well as my MTB. I just miss the occasional offroad with an engine. Since regulations ins Germany are rather strict I figured an ebike is still the best way to have some offroad fun in the woods.
So far I heard about the LMX, Kuberg, Oset 20 (needs some improvements as far as I know), all different kinds of HUB-engine-Versions I am not really interested in for my offroad purposes. Are there other alternatives? Maybe even offering the option to pedal your way back home if necessary?
Of course I thought about converting my mountainbike but when I read that some of you got a Kuberg for 2600USD, an already-built ebike remains an option (I know I will have to pay way more today).
Lucking forward to your thoughts.
Kindest regards from Munich, Daniel
 
RalterWöhrl said:
Do things like these exist already? Complete bike around 35-38kg like the LMX?
After years of Quad/4wheel-motoX I just recently founding out about the whole ebike pleasure and possabilitys nowadays after getting introduced into Adams wonderful movie:

[youtube]QxpTnGyafY0[/youtube]


I did alot of reasearch the last days but found the market very limiting, I found the eTRICKS R01 but it just lacks the "punch". I than discovered the qulbix Q140R complete bike which has the punch but is way to heavy and expensive imho.

Would love to hear your guys alternative ideas!!!

Thanks alot, and nice greetings from germany :)

- Robert
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im working on something that im looking to keep sub 50kg... but its a ways off yet. should be starting the prototype this/next week. but yea... building myself for the same reason. doesn't appear to be much in the 5-15kw 40-50kg range, and built for proper off road (ie not hub drive).
 
When it comes out the 'Neematic' looks like its going to be king of the hill in this arena. :wink:
 
Seems like LMX has the pedal-less/moto seat/mid drive market cornered for DIY'ers. I'm leaning towards one myself. Still trying to justify the cost and not sure if the motor has enough continuous rating for my liking.
 
brumbrum said:
When it comes out the 'Neematic' looks like its going to be king of the hill in this arena. :wink:
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I'll take chances for this, esp with our water cooled motor and 2kwh battery (still below 40 kg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BH-gJjYgwOZ/
 
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