Mob of bikers surround SUV and get run over in NYC

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There are multiple laws being broken and there appears to be no "right" in it as provocation led to provocation. But it goes to injury & relative innocence. Lien could have remained stopped since at the time there are pedestrians in the roadway. Mieses is off his bike. Lien drove his SUV over the guy. He's now in critical care and according to his wife, doctors say he may never walk again. Those facts must prevail in any balanced consideration. It was other bikers in the alleged gang who then chased Lien, smashed his window and did bodily harm. Should the more aggressive members of the gang be detained & charged? Certainly. But my sympathies are with Mieses, his wife and two children, who wrongfully suffered egregious bodily harm that will last for the remainder of his life. Their law suit for damages will all most certainly be heard by the court. We'll have to wait for the court's verdict to see who was wronged or not.

Bikers: We're the victims
The controversy over the road rage incident among some motorcycle riders and an SUV driver is growing. Two bikers are under arrest, and now other bikers involved say the Range Rover driver must share part of the blame.

I spoke to some of them in an exclusive interview inside a biker club headquarters.

Edwin Mieses of Boston lies in intensive care at St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital with serious spinal injuries and two broken legs. Fellow riders say he is the biker who is seen in the video being run over by the Range Rover.

It all started when one rider -- identified as Christopher Cruz, who is under arrest -- slowed down and was allegedly tapped by the SUV.

Berger "Choppa" Matthew, a construction worker, was there. He said he is the one seen in the video trying to open the door of the SUV. He said what began as an accident turned into road rage -- on the part of the SUV driver. Matthews said they were worried the driver would hit someone else, so they chased him up one of New York City's busiest highways. Matthews said he ran up to the door and wanted to pull out the keys so no one else would be hit....

... Police Commissioner Ray Kelly would not say for sure if the Range Rover driver, Alexian Lien, who had his wife and infant in the SUV with him, would be charged. He said it depends on the circumstances and whether Lien was being attacked and believed he was acting out of fear for his life and the lives of his family.

Kelly said most motorcycle riders abide by the rules of the road. But he also said the police received more than 200 calls to 911 about this particular group of riders, who came from all over the country.
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Utter bull shit !
Why no mention of how the initial "accident" actually happened ?

Matthews said they were worried the driver would hit someone else, so they chased him up one of New York City's busiest highways. Matthews said he ran up to the door and wanted to pull out the keys so no one else would be hit....
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Yea ! ..sure.. of course thats what he intended :roll:

Let me think.... who is the likely aggressor here ?...
..one guy with his wife and baby....or a group of 50+ f*ck wit bikies ??

Get real !
 
All of this could have been prevented if Chalo would have been there to educate them on safe legal riding.

A bunch of biker punks getting mowed down is pretty awesome. Are there any better angles or pictures of the biker carnage? Lien is a hero for saving his family. I guess that cripple dude should have stayed out of the way. Last time I checked you are not supposed to stop in the middle of the road in front of an accident. Roads have things these things called sides you can pull over to.

How did all those bikers in front know to stop at the same time? Looks like a bunch of wimp thugs who thought they would teach a family a lesson because he may or may not have mad a minor driving mistake.
 
Always more than one version of the facts, but my view is the video clearly shows the bike that got tapped was frocking with the suv. It's as set up as a bump and whine fender bender in LA.

East coat bike gang gone wild, we need JACKIE CHAN! :twisted: The gang Clint and the ape took care of was just a bunch of pussies.
 
Thinking judiciously, as the plaintiff Edwin Mieses, you'd have to prove that "I" was associated with a gang. That has requirements. I wasn't, I showed up for an annual bike ride in New York. I live in Massachusetts. I otherwise have no ongoing association with any of the other riders. I'm not involved in a life of crime. I'm a working stiff, trying to get my music heard. I have a loving wife, a mother, a family. I'm young and had a bright future. I had nothing to do with what other riders were doing. One of my fellow bikers attempt to slow an SUV, because there were a lot of us on the road riding that day. He was rear-ended and thrown off his bike to the pavement. I got off my bike and went to help him. The driver of the SUV then accelerated, left the scene of the accident and ran over me. I was in the hospital for xx months and spent xx dollars out of pocket. My family suffered a loss of my income of another xx dollars. My life time earning potential was xx dollars before the accident. Now, because of the injuries I suffered, I'm bound to a wheel chair. I'm suing for xx millions of dollars.
 
"I got off my bike and went to help him" wax that nice looking SUV parked in the middle of 3 lane hwy.

Yep, that's exactly what happened.

Whole bunch of sport bike riders gets killed every year. You know, Darwinism at work.

Why there's so much concern about that guy, also known as Speedbump now? He is alive at least.
 
arkmundi said:
Thinking judiciously, as the defendant, you'd have to prove that "I" was associated with a gang. That has requirements.…
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Any of them with a removed license plate would be candidates for inclusion in this act of premeditated gang thuggery.
 
Maybe it wasn't reported here, but, I read that the"Bikers" had tried to block off the hwy, so they could go "Stunt Riding", and, the SUV went on his way. That was why they were messing with him. He wanted to use the Hwy, also. :roll:

If this bunch is so tough, why not ride amongst the traffic, like it shows on youtube videos ? They "THOUGHT" they had good video, until it bit them in the stupid ass area. NOW, they are scratching to cover the stupid asses. :lol:
 
Harold in CR said:
Maybe it wasn't reported here, but, I read that the"Bikers" had tried to block off the hwy, so they could go "Stunt Riding", and, the SUV went on his way. That was why they were messing with him. He wanted to use the Hwy, also. :roll:
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Thats make sense i watched again this vid and saw more bikers blocking a feeder (1:40) to this hwy.

So he had in his fear made a minor problem to a major problem :mrgreen:
 
The story I'm hearing is (from CNN):
"The incident took place on Manhattan's West Side Highway on Sunday. Police said a man driving a Range Rover struck a motorcyclist who had slowed down.
Previous reporting indicated the impact broke the motorcyclist's leg, but New York police Sgt. Lee Jones said Wednesday that the biker sustained only minor injuries. The driver, Alexian Lien, pulled over and was surrounded by other bikers, part of a group called Hollywood Stuntz. They hit the vehicle and spiked its tires, police said. The driver pulled away, plowing three more bikers, including the now-comatose Mieses."

If this story is true, I don't see how you can hold the driver of the car responsible, although I do feel for the people injured, particularly if they were not involved in harassing the driver of the car. However, if the above story is true, the driver of the SUV did not initiate the problem and he did pull over but his car was attacked. If I am surrounded by a gang of people spiking my tires and beating on my car with my wife and kids in it, they had better get the hell out of the way or they will also be run over. If it is them or me, it is going to be them and I will worry about the law later. What else was he supposed to do? His car was being beaten and his tires spiked. I think the next logical assumption is that they were going to break out the windows.

And it is not the job of the motorcyclists to pull in front of someone and hit the brakes. Just get the hell out of the way and call the cops if you think someone is driving recklessly. You are not the police. And the freeway is not anyone's personal playground. The dumba$$s who drive like they are playing Grand Theft Auto need to have their licences revoked. I see it about every week on the interstate, somebody in a dropped subcompact with straight pipes or on a sport bike zig-zagging out of traffic like they are playing a video game. It makes me furious that they would play with other people's lives like that. Hitting you brakes to annoy a car when you are on a motorcycle is just plain stupid.

Soapbox over.
 
arkmundi said:
Thinking judiciously, as the plaintiff Edwin Mieses, you'd have to prove that "I" was associated with a gang. That has requirements. I wasn't, I showed up for an annual bike ride in New York. I live in Massachusetts.
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Nice try attorney arkmundi. Now explain Mieses' unlicensed motorcycle rider status and scofflaw history as LSBW posted before. Mieses shouldn't even have been riding. And it'll be more interesting should Mieses' bike be found to have no license plates or to have been stolen.
 
ark, while I often find myself agreeing with you, this time I think you are delusional. even if the SUV was in the wrong, the bikers method was not the way to go about it. they had cameras. all they needed was the SUV's license plate. after that, a phone call to the police and they have completed their civic duty. vigilantism is not ok.
 
arkmundi said:
LSBW said:
Why there's so much concern about that guy, also known as Speedbump now? He is alive at least.
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That is just plain cruel. Are you in fact a cruel person or just trying to be clever? Speedbump? Really? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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the term is completely fitting. around these parts, stopping in the middle of a highway is dangerous driving. stopping on a highway is tantamount to attempting suicide, with the added factor that it endangers others.
 
muffinman said:
ark, while I often find myself agreeing with you, this time I think you are delusional. even if the SUV was in the wrong, the bikers method was not the way to go about it. they had cameras. all they needed was the SUV's license plate. after that, a phone call to the police and they have completed their civic duty. vigilantism is not ok.
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I have made no statement that advocates vigilantism or any support of street gangs or criminal behaviour of any kind. I see only a bunch of bad choices in the whole sordid affair. Instead of seeing a "gang" on the street, see an individual, Edwin Mieses, who yay, made a bad choice to ride that day. The greater crime here was the SUV driving over him causing permanent damage that is looking like a loss of the use of his legs. That was not just a bad choice on the part of Lien, the driver - it was criminal behaviour. His best recourse will be the courts and a law suit for maximum damages. I hope he wins.
 
maybe now that the cops confiscated all their hiperbikes they will have to ride ebikes instead since they don't have to be registered and since they are illegal in NY then it will right up their alley.
 
The motorcycle rider has his "head" turned around looking at the RR while hitting the brakes. He is aiming for it. Its all planned.
 
muffinman said:
ark, while I often find myself agreeing with you, this time I think you are delusional. even if the SUV was in the wrong, the bikers method was not the way to go about it. they had cameras. all they needed was the SUV's license plate. after that, a phone call to the police and they have completed their civic duty. vigilantism is not ok.
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Here in Germany just a licens plate and video is not enough.
The driver of the car on time of the incident must be clearly identiable and even than car drivers got more than often away with a youyouyou

I wouldnt not do the same what they did i swear.

I can not see why this car driver pulled a wheelie in a mass of motorcyclist the reason is not see able from this camera view so i stay neutral . i just guess fear reaction.
 
D-Man said:
The motorcycle rider has his "head" turned around looking at the RR while hitting the brakes. He is aiming for it. Its all planned.
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I have no doubt it was. That doesn't mean Edwin Mieses was part of it. He may not even know what he was in for that day. Why focus on the lesser crimes than the greater crime? Why engage in ES-gang behaviour in this thread by ganging up on the expression of a minority opinion. In fact, I hope all criminal behaviour on the road that day is prosecuted in court and that all get their just deserts. The crime of an SUV attacking someone acting as a Good Samaritan
Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts offering legal protection to people who give reasonable assistance to those who are injured, ill, in peril, or otherwise incapacitated. In some cases, Good Samaritan laws encourage people to offer assistance (duty to rescue).[1] The protection is intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death.
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... is the major crime. In fact it was attempted murder. Never mind what happened before or after - all that are multiple minor crimes. For you, its a matter of focus. Focus on the MAJOR crime, not the set of minor crimes.
 
Dude, If he was aiding the attack by standing in front of the RR acting as a human shield, then you take your chances that the driver will use reasonable force to prevent a felony.

Also, why would you stand in front of 3 ton SUV on the highway? Might as well stand in front of the moving train, results will be pretty much the same :)
 
We have a bicycle event (no moto) in Chicago called Critical Mass every month. It is kinda like a mob of motos but with bicycles. They will forcefully go 10mph to make sure cars behind them know who is boss. The rude drivers will swerve around and tail the bikers, they get a tongue lashing by the bikers or the police entourage.
 
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