Motor Controlers fro RC Motor's

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Hello. I apologize if this has been discussed but having search and nothing.

I have been reading a lot about mechanical gearing for these types of motors. My question is why couldn't I use a motor controller for these motors? What I know about them(which admittedly is little) is that they are controlled this may the majority of the time in other applications.


Any feedback would be great.


Thanks,
Mike
 
RC motors are sensorless, ie. no hall sensors hence they require a sensorless controller, the majority of
controllers you see used on ebike applications are sensored controllers and thus will not work on rc motors
without adding halls sensors to them, which a handful here have done with success.

KiM
 
Thanks for the reply.

But what would varying the amount of current the motor sees have to do with sensors?



'Chopper' means that the MOSFETs are switching the battery current (i.e. chopping it) rapidly on and off: if the battery is only connected to the motor half of the time, then the motor only 'sees' half the battery voltage. By varying the chopping ratio you can vary the amount of battery the motor sees, so varying the speed of the motor.
Taken from http://www.4qd.co.uk/fea/mos.html


Comments much appreciated...
 
The bike controllers are typically sensored, and also amperage controlled. RC controllers are voltage controlled and typically non sensored.

The Castle HV160 is the best RC type controller I have used so far. It even has data logging onboard, and the sync is hands down the best sensorless in the industry. There are issues with blowing caps however, as the typical bike setup has a lot of voltage/amp ripple going on and it is hard on low resistance equipment.
 
Burtie,
Do you have a thread detailing what you
needed to make this work for the Astro?
A while back you mentioned making a kit
available, is that in the works. Awesome
job, awaiting the delta version with great
interest!
 
caliliving949 said:
Thanks for the reply.

But what would varying the amount of current the motor sees have to do with sensors?



'Chopper' means that the MOSFETs are switching the battery current (i.e. chopping it) rapidly on and off: if the battery is only connected to the motor half of the time, then the motor only 'sees' half the battery voltage. By varying the chopping ratio you can vary the amount of battery the motor sees, so varying the speed of the motor.
Taken from http://www.4qd.co.uk/fea/mos.html


Comments much appreciated...

I think maybe we need to take a couple steps back, just to for clarity.
1st point: The RC motors you see on this site are called BLDC (BrushLess DC) motors. In this type of motor, the windings/electromagnets that you are powering do not move, rather the permanent magnets move. The motor generally has 3 wires comming out of it. If you hooked two of those up to say a car battery, the motor would not rotate. It would rather get really hot, pull alot of current and then start to smoke. The reason is, in order to keep pushing the shaft around you need keep switching the elctromagnets on and off. In a BLDC motor there are 3 electromagnets, generally at any time 2 of them are powered, one pushing the permanent magnet away, the other pulling it forward. That is what the BLDC motor controller (or RC Electronic Speed Controller) does, they switch the coils on and off so that they are always pushing the permanent magents forward. The motor you may be used to is called a 'brushed DC motor' In that type of motor the electromagnets turn, and they have brushes (which are sort of like a rotary switch), which controls the powering of the coils so that they are always pushing the motor in the same direction.

2nd point: In order for the controller to know what coils to power, it needs to know where the permanent magnet is. An RC controller does this electronically, by measuring the voltage accross one of its' coils (the one that isn't powered). This works well, however the motor needs to be turning for it to work so these controllers don't work well when starting from a stand-still. An ebike motor has 'hall effect' sensors inside which give a signal depending on magnetic field. These sensors are always giving the controller feedback on what position the magnets are in, so the controller always knows which coils it should power, even when the motor is stopped.

So, as was stated earlier, if you want to use an ebike controller with an RC BLDC motor, you need to add hall effect sensors to the motor to give the controller the magnet position feedback it needs.

I hope that made sense.

-Matt
 
Very nice summary Matt.

kevo wrote:
Burtie,...
A while back you mentioned making a kit
available, is that in the works. Awesome
job, awaiting the delta version with great
interest!

Yes -I think I am pretty happy with the design of the sensor discs for the astro now for both d and y modes, so will speak to the CNC shop guys tomorrow and report back soon :D

Cheers,
Burtie
 
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