New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24)

[John in CR]

Pavlik,

The guys going for these new C-lyte motors are after higher power, yet you want to push a motor whose phase wires are almost the same gauge as the hall wires. I appreciate the interest in wanting to share what you believe to be a good motor and agree that the Crystalyte fanboy club is unjustified and over the top, but motors with 16awg or smaller phase wires like in the link you provided certainly aren't going to cut it either.

 

[pavlik1]

Hi,

let me count the wires in the strands for both motors and calculate the phase wire cross-section. At the moment I cannot comment.
When I compare HS35 and 48V1000W motors side by side, I just not see something to justify the 3 multiplier in the price.
As I said earlier, 48V1000W is far from perfect, but for 95usd is OK. I am not after big currents, say 40A is the max I want to draw.
Unfortunately, due to interference between my front tyre and a cat, I cannot make a video right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLJPmbVHCo

 

[Bazaki]

Did you find or check the cat after the crash ?

 

[full-throttle]

Unfortunately, due to interference between my front tyre and a cat, I cannot make a video right now

Ouch! Was the cat alright?

 

[John in CR]

Did you find or check the cat after the crash ?

What for...to eat or just make sure the job was done?

 

[Philistine]

[youtube]okLJPmbVHCo[/youtube]

that is very funny and deserves its own thread.

I am not a cat hater, it was just one of those things that looks so foreseeable on replay.

Were you badly banged up?

 

[pavlik1]

Hi, the accident slow up my projects due to some missing skin from the body. So far all OK

The cat I didn't saw afterwards, but surely it will survive.

On slow motion, the cat was firstly heading left and then suddenly turn right and come from behind.

I guess it hit the wheel but didn't go under, so should be better than me, sliding my skin on the asphalt.

What I will do is mount the noisiest horn I can find, for the future...

 

[pavlik1]

Did you find or check the cat after the crash ?

Bazakim May I ask you few friendly questions? You answer if you want.

Using 6s lipo, do you have any problem with the two bottom packs? Are they not commpressed by the top 4? Do you support the top 4 packs somehow? Pack brand? How they perform in long therm?
What are the long and short controllers? 12 and 18FET? Programable?
Since you have allot of cristalytes in boxes, I assume they come directly from China, are they the same quality as mine?

 

[Bazaki]

Our HT/HS motors are from crystalyte europe.
Our controllers are programmable by USB.
The totall pack of Lipo is about 5,5kg and just ducttape them together, no cell can get overpressed by other cells if that is what you mean.On the bottom we add soft material, in between the cells you also could add it.

 

[RVD]

Hi, the accident slow up my projects due to some missing skin from the body. So far all OK

The cat I didn't saw afterwards, but surely it will survive.

On slow motion, the cat was firstly heading left and then suddenly turn right and come from behind.

I guess it hit the wheel but didn't go under, so should be better than me, sliding my skin on the asphalt.

What I will do is mount the noisiest horn I can find, for the future...

I have an airzound. It's loud...

 

[RVD]

burnt wires?

what does the motor sound like if the wires get cut?

i was riding yesterday when all of the sudden, power stopped going to the wheel. when applying throttle, i got a low rumbling cough sound instead of acceleration. the wheel didn't lock up or anything but acceleration stopped. it was as if the throttle wasn't working right anymore. i had the wire fix applied (where you reverse that plastic thing where the wire comes out. i am not running the motor that hard...using 48v lifepo4 but usually ride wot which is about 30 amps (1600-1700 watts) and a top speed of around 32 mph.

i have regen turned on, regen brakes connected, lyen 12 fet sensored controller, hs3540 with sensors.

i stopped, rehooked up connectors but same problem. so i pedaled the rest of the way home. of course as luck would have it, i was only in mile 3 of my 16 mile commute and it was 7pm and dark out so it was a bit of a drag pedaling 13 miles home.

 

[sn0wchyld]

burnt wires?

what does the motor sound like if the wires get cut?

i was riding yesterday when all of the sudden, power stopped going to the wheel. when applying throttle, i got a low rumbling cough sound instead of acceleration. the wheel didn't lock up or anything but acceleration stopped. it was as if the throttle wasn't working right anymore. i had the wire fix applied (where you reverse that plastic thing where the wire comes out. i am not running the motor that hard...using 48v lifepo4 but usually ride wot which is about 30 amps (1600-1700 watts) and a top speed of around 32 mph.

i have regen turned on, regen brakes connected, lyen 12 fet sensored controller, hs3540 with sensors.

i stopped, rehooked up connectors but same problem. so i pedaled the rest of the way home. of course as luck would have it, i was only in mile 3 of my 16 mile commute and it was 7pm and dark out so it was a bit of a drag pedaling 13 miles home.

sounds like it could be the halls - first thing is to check every connection, then check 'em all again. it could be something as simple as that. My throttle was cutting out on occasion, and it turns out i'd done a poor job of crimping the connection. hopefully your's is as simple as that.

 

[MixhaL]

Hi
What is real top speed HS3540 at 48V 40A on flat?
How much watt motor eats at 50km/h on flat?
Somone told me that only about 700watt, is't possible?
I have cyclone kit and at full speed(55km/h) eats 1700watt.

 

[Bazaki]

About 1200 Watt without pedaling at 50kmh, topspeed at 48v about 60kmh I believe fresh of the charger.

 

[ronnieb52]

RVD,

I had about the same thing happen. Turned out to be Lyen Controller had died on me. Got controller out that came with kit and motor now works. Have to contract Lyen and see about getting my 18 fet controller fixed.

 

[RVD]

I

RVD,

I had about the same thing happen. Turned out to be Lyen Controller had died on me. Got controller out that came with kit and motor now works. Have to contract Lyen and see about getting my 18 fet controller fixed.

Ok i will check that first. Thanks.

 

[MixhaL]

HI
It's possible to rech above 50km\h using crystalyte HS3540 and crystalyte 48V 25A controller on flat
Or what speed I can reach at this setup

 

[itselectric]

HI
It's possible to rech above 50km\h using crystalyte HS3540 and crystalyte 48V 25A controller on flat
Or what speed I can reach at this setup

The HS3540 is almost at 1-to-1 ratio on 26" wheel.
- at 36v with fully charged battery at 42v top speed is around 40km/h
- at 48v with fully charged battery at 54v top speed is around 50km/h
- at 100v, it is will hit 100km/h

Ken

 

[captain387]

Inspect the wire as it comes out the seal. The motor I purchased came with hall sensors and the wire bundle is an extremely tight fit.
Today I removed the cover (p.s a puller worked really well) I had tried loosening the cover with the small screwdrivers at first and was getting small pops as the bearing moved along the shaft.
In the end I had a 2 arm puller and put two bolts into the holes for the disk brake and pulled from there.
My wires would have been cut through in no time if I had not removed the seal completely.
I plan to silicone the wires into the groove to prevent movement as I don't completely trust the zip tie I have in place.
All of the above techniques I have learned from this site, thanks for pioneers.
Bike will be up and running by spring.

 

[Hyena]

Not that it's any consolation for those of us early adopters, but crystalyte has addressed these issues now with a deeper grooved axle and this new protective insert that replaces the existing wire seal and stops the wires rubbing.

 

[theRealFury]

That’s just typical, but I guess we accept the inevitability of that when we buy a newly released product

How much deeper can you take the groove in the axle without compromising the strength of it too much? I would love to upgrade to 10awg phase wires but i have tried to get 10AWG into the axle and it just gets shredded when i try put the cover back on.. still running with stock wires at the minute and I always worry once I'm pulling 40+amps for more than 20-30 seconds :S

 

[MixhaL]

HI
It's possible to rech above 50km\h using crystalyte HS3540 and crystalyte 48V 25A controller on flat
Or what speed I can reach at this setup

The HS3540 is almost at 1-to-1 ratio on 26" wheel.
- at 36v with fully charged battery at 42v top speed is around 40km/h
- at 48v with fully charged battery at 54v top speed is around 50km/h
- at 100v, it is will hit 100km/h

Ken

So it looks that 25A or 40 I will rech the same top speed, am I right

 

[Ypedal]

somewhat, less amps means you get there, but not as quickly :wink: .. until you reach the limit of what V x A = W can deliver..

At 48v, 25 amps will do nicely..

at 100v and 25 amps = 2500w, you will not make it to 100 kph.

 

[Nanoha]

Not that it's any consolation for those of us early adopters, but crystalyte has addressed these issues now with a deeper grooved axle and this new protective insert that replaces the existing wire seal and stops the wires rubbing.

Can we replace the seals with the new ones easily?

 

[Doctorbass]

somewhat, less amps means you get there, but not as quickly :wink: .. until you reach the limit of what V x A = W can deliver..

At 48v, 25 amps will do nicely..

at 100v and 25 amps = 2500w, you will not make it to 100 kph.

I agree!.. volt dont mean speed

for speed you need Volt and the amp able ri rise that voltage :wink:

Doc