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GM says Volt to get 230 miles per gallon in city
By TOM KRISHER, AP Auto Writer – 25 mins ago

DETROIT – General Motors Corp. said Tuesday its Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car should get 230 miles per gallon of gasoline in city driving, more than four times the mileage of the current champion, the Toyota Prius.

GM came up with the figure in early tests using draft guidelines from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for calculating the mileage of extended range electric vehicles, said Tony Posawatz, GM's vehicle line director for the Volt.

If the figure is confirmed by the EPA, which does the tests for the mileage posted on new car door stickers, the Volt would be the first car to exceed triple-digit gas mileage, Posawatz said.

The Volt is powered by an electric motor and a battery pack with a 40-mile range. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity for a total range of 300 miles. The battery pack can be recharged from a standard home outlet.

Most automakers are working similar plug-in designs, but GM could be the leader with the Volt, which is due in showrooms late in 2010.

Toyota's Prius, the most efficient car now sold in the U.S., gets 48 miles per gallon of gas. It is a gas-electric hybrid that runs on a small internal combustion engine assisted by a battery-powered electric motor to save gasoline.

The first-generation Volt is expected to cost near $40,000, making it cost-prohibitive to many people even if gasoline returns to $4 per gallon. The price is expected to drop with future generations of the Volt, but GM has said government tax credits and the savings on fuel could make it cost-effective, especially at 230 miles per gallon.

"We get a little cautious about trying to forecast what fuel prices will do," Posawatz said. "We achieved this number and if fuel prices go up, it certainly does get more attractive even in the near-term generation," he said.

GM was to present details of the mileage figure on Tuesday morning at an event at its technical center in the Detroit suburb of Warren.

Figures for the Volt's highway and combined city/highway mileage have not yet been calculated, Posawatz said. The combined mileage will be in the triple digits as well, he said, but both combined and highway will be worse than city because the engine runs more on longer highway trips.

The EPA guidelines, developed with input from automakers, figure that cars like the Volt will travel more on straight electricity in the city than on the highway. If a person drives the Volt less than 40 miles, in theory they could go without using gasoline.

The mileage figure could vary as the guidelines are refined and the Volt gets further along in the manufacturing process, Posawatz said.

GM is about halfway through building about 80 Volts that will look and behave like the production model, and testing is running on schedule, Posawatz said.

Two critical areas, battery life and the electronic switching between battery and engine power, are still being refined, but the car is on schedule to reach showrooms late in 2010, he said.

GM is simulating tests to make sure the new lithium-ion batteries last 10 years, Posawatz said.

"We're further along, but we're still quite a ways from home," he said. "We're developing quite a knowledge base on all this stuff. Our confidence is growing."

The other area of new technology, switching between battery and engine power, is proceeding well, he said, with engineers just fine-tuning the operations.

"We're very pleased with the transition from when it's driving EV (electric vehicle) to when the engine and generator kick in," he said,

GM also is finishing work on the power cord, which will be durable enough that it can survive being run over by the car. The Volt, he said, will have software on board so it can be programmed to begin and end charging during off-peak electrical use hours.

Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and Daimler AG are all developing plug-ins and electric cars, and Toyota Motor Corp. is working on a plug-in version of its gas-electric hybrid system. Nissan Motor Co. announced last month that it would begin selling an electric vehicle in Japan and the U.S. next year.
 
The good: the EPA finally has a standard, so each car company can't just invent a magical driving pattern in order to provide massively inflated MPG numbers. Everybody will be using the same standard.

The bad: the EPA standard itself gives pretty inflated numbers, and is mostly meaningless.

I really think that they should simply quote two separate numbers, and not combine them. The Volt gets 50mpg using fuel, and has a 40 mile electric range (25kWh/100 miles). End of story.
 
nutsandvolts said:
I heard this story and talk about it on the radio today and consider it pure marketing hype. The mpg is meaningess if you don't find a new formula that factors in both the cost of electricity and the ongoing cost of battery replacements. I find it all very misleading and still consider the volt just a sideshow for general motors.
to GM's credit the cost of electricity is much less than that of gasoline. case in point:

the Volt appears to use 400 Wh/mile from the above figures. thus to drive 50 miles you'd use 20 kWh. around seattle 1 kWh cost 3.76 cents. 20 kWh in seattle thus would be 75 cents of electricity. compare that 75 cents to the near 3 dollars of gasoline to drive that same 50 miles in range extender mode…
 
the only weasel talk i heard was fritz stating that 40 cents of electricity at 5 cents/kwh (which means 8kWh) would go the 40 miles, which implies 200Wh/mile. i think from my own experience i can state unequivocally that the volt will be far more than 200Wh/m.

i expect it will actually be closer to 500Wh/m and the pack will be 25kWh and they will protect the last 20% of capacity, and use the generator after that. it is a generator, not a serial drive.

the pack will cost $.53/Wh.
 
A description of 230 miles per gallon and 8 hour charge might be more meaningful?

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Looks like I fell for the hype. The more meaningful statement would be 230 MPG if driven no more than 51 miles between charges.
Mike Duoba from Argonne National Lab devised a method to determine the MPG of an EREV; first the car is driven from a full battery until it reaches charge-sustaining mode, then one more cycle is driven. If we use the highway schedule, the first 40 miles are electric. One more cycle is 11 more miles. If the Volt gets 50 MPG in charge sustaining mode, it will use .22 gallons of gas for that 11 miles. Thus 51 miles/.22 gallons = 231.8 MPG.

So if it has a range of 300 miles that would be 260 miles @50 MPG, and would use 5.2 gallons for an effective 57.7 MPG.
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For a ballpark, here is the Tesla's consumption graph from their website I believe.
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Meh...

Electricity costs more than the base rate; usually it comes out to about .10 more per KWh after fees and taxes. Estimate .15/KWh for the average American homeowner.

The Volt's weight and shape will easily need 400wh/mi to go 35mph, a typical surface speed.

The cost of the battery is bundled into the price of the vehicle for the first pack. 5yrs is a reasonable lifespan estimate, considering the rate of battery chemistry & management improvements; but ten years seems like wishful thinking. So, if you figure on ten years of ownership, you might drop another $10K on a pack, since the cost of batteries is falling. So 1K/yr. for that.

$2.40/day electricity
$2.75/day batteries

$35 per week for 40mi/day.

Compare to a 30mpg smogbox going the same distance... $2.50/gal fuel = $23 per week.

If you dump the EV before the battery needs replacing, you sorta win: $17/week. ($1560 in fuel savings after 5yrs.)
 
Did you guys figure in the money all of us will be kicking in to make these EV's more affordable? I heard $7,500.00 right off the top, what about reduced electrical rates, I bet they will get a special rate that will be subsidized by us too. Car pool lane pass, reduced registration, no smog fees... We all know the government wants these cars in every ones driveways and is going to make it happen one way or another. The EPA will start off with the most smog polluted cities first, California is going to be hot on pollution free cars.

Deron.
 
Yeah, If we consider bundling the cost of batteries into the vehicle, then the subsidies are relevant.

Splitting the operational costs out (like MPG ratings) is slightly different, but it's all coming out of the same wallet over 5-10yrs.

Including a $5K subsidy, you could say the batteries & electricity are on par with current fuel pricing. That leaves you with a very expensive sedan; albeit a quiet, low-emissions one.

If you wrap the Volt in a flag, you can sell a few; but the production of hybrids & EVs in the US will simply have to get better/cheaper/faster to compete with imports.
 
I agree that they are totally misleading the public. What if I need to travel 80 mi. per day. Plus battery replacement is huge. And elec. rates ARE going up all the time. I would love to see an economical electric that could take me 100 mi. a day. This ain't it... Give me a bare bones model for 10k$ and I'll pay attention.. :|
 
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