Our government at work...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNfruyVGOe0
j3tch1u
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Dee Jay said:
back to The Fed (TM)
(preferably in an envelope titled "Mr. Strawman has moved--return to sender")
999zip999
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With 3-4 trillion in dept is it 3 or 4 who cares about a trillion if it's for the bankers and there repo home loans and the lawyers who we forget about, that we should tag. The laws we live can be changed at any time to put you in jail. I would like to know how many are in a secert jail in the usa. Stop be quiet I hear a loud knock. Gotta go thru the underground door.
Evoforce
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Fragile is mankind, and so it goes for his government as well...
999zip999
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WE have laws that we vote on and win only to have them turned on there head, and truned back on the the voters. WE THE PEOPLE. The power that be. Or the the sheep we have become. Watching a box, living in a box, driving in a box so we can watch a box. I signed the banner in washington D.C. in surport up the occply movement 2 weeks ago. This can be are spring. 40,000 dollars for every man woman and child in the USA in dept ?
John in CR
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Fire the lot of them and sell off half or more of the Federal government's assets. That should settle the debt. Then start over with strict limitations that get enforced this time.
Gordo
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liveforphysics
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Gordo said:
China feels fantastic every time I visit. You get to see what a free market feels like, and it's fantastic. The people are smiling and happy, and willing to help others rather than looking down and ignoring them as most folks do in this country.
Before spending time in China, I had been lead to believe it would be super restricted and controlled and communist with starving people everywhere yadda yadda. After a number of trips to a number of places in China, I see the most free market I've ever imagined, happy healthy (rather than obese) people smiling everywhere, and a really excellent quality of life and abundant food and everything you could ever want at affordable prices, from ultra-high-end Ferrari's to things made of tissue paper and flour paste.
Gordo
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Thanks for the insight, Gordo.
I am really sad to hear that about the extradition.
I still think it is a better place for 1 reason: with the large slice of the budget that your country puts into health care, my country puts into military
I did not know about the 1% of Canada that has good weather, thanks for the tip off
I am really sad to hear that about the extradition.
I still think it is a better place for 1 reason: with the large slice of the budget that your country puts into health care, my country puts into military
I did not know about the 1% of Canada that has good weather, thanks for the tip off
999zip999
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Didn't they run over a guy holding two palstic bags with a tank ? How soon we forget.
sico
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He wasn't run down, just never heard from again. There is a whole generation of Chinese who don't even know about the Tiananmen Square massacre, and the official position is that it never happened. Surprising to see admiration for a communist dictatorship expressed on this board. :?
Agreed that the US system of government could use a revamp, but there is no comparison with the Chinese government and that is crystal clear.
Agreed that the US system of government could use a revamp, but there is no comparison with the Chinese government and that is crystal clear.
Gordo
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I've lived on three continents, visited most. There are good things and bad things about each. There are good people and bad people in each. Both China and the US are very large diverse countries. To say "Chinese people are this way" or "Americans are this way" is a gross simplification. I've met plenty of a-holes and plenty of fine people from both.
Now that said, pepper-spraying a bunch of young people sitting peacefully is pretty moronic. I am surprised the Chancellor didn't loose her job over that one. Personally, I'd have canned her in a heartbeat. Next thing you know, we will have another Kent State with that sort of mentality.
A few days ago, my daughter was showing me an app called Showofhands that basically polls users about various issues and then breaks down the data by gender, political affiliation, age, etc. So one issue posted was something to the effect that who did you side with, the police or the protesters. When broken down in any way except one, there was no sigificant demographic difference. However, when broken down by political affiliation, there was a very strong dipole of opinion. The results of one app is hardly a legitimate source of hard data but I think it bears thought.
In my opinion, that is pretty messed up, that people's perception of an event and their political affiliation are that well correlated. You saw the same thing over the OWS movement. Of the people I follow on Facebook, people with a particular political affiliation viewed the protestors as lazy, dirty, incompetent and would frequently post disparaging remarks. When I looked up demographic data on people who said they were affiliated with OWS, they were mostly an exactly representative slice of America; similar fraction had full time jobs, similar income levels, same education level, ethnically diverse. The place they differed from the average was in political affiliation and that difference was very substantial. When you denigrate and dehumanize a population, you can do anything you want to them with impunity.
In the US, politics has frequently been a blood sport, sometimes literally, right back to the beginning of the country. However, in my lifetime, I can't remember a time when it was so polarizing. I can't even talk politics with my friends who are different minded anymore. Of course, it is probably because I am becoming the old codger I am destined to become.
Now that said, pepper-spraying a bunch of young people sitting peacefully is pretty moronic. I am surprised the Chancellor didn't loose her job over that one. Personally, I'd have canned her in a heartbeat. Next thing you know, we will have another Kent State with that sort of mentality.
A few days ago, my daughter was showing me an app called Showofhands that basically polls users about various issues and then breaks down the data by gender, political affiliation, age, etc. So one issue posted was something to the effect that who did you side with, the police or the protesters. When broken down in any way except one, there was no sigificant demographic difference. However, when broken down by political affiliation, there was a very strong dipole of opinion. The results of one app is hardly a legitimate source of hard data but I think it bears thought.
In my opinion, that is pretty messed up, that people's perception of an event and their political affiliation are that well correlated. You saw the same thing over the OWS movement. Of the people I follow on Facebook, people with a particular political affiliation viewed the protestors as lazy, dirty, incompetent and would frequently post disparaging remarks. When I looked up demographic data on people who said they were affiliated with OWS, they were mostly an exactly representative slice of America; similar fraction had full time jobs, similar income levels, same education level, ethnically diverse. The place they differed from the average was in political affiliation and that difference was very substantial. When you denigrate and dehumanize a population, you can do anything you want to them with impunity.
In the US, politics has frequently been a blood sport, sometimes literally, right back to the beginning of the country. However, in my lifetime, I can't remember a time when it was so polarizing. I can't even talk politics with my friends who are different minded anymore. Of course, it is probably because I am becoming the old codger I am destined to become.
sico
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Gordo said:
See this documentary for my source of the "whole generation" comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB70mWXrzEE
I note that Chinese people are still not allowed to watch.
Gordo said:Apparently some do not know of other massacres? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings ETC
A comparison has been made. They do not equate, at this point, is some area's. In many areas, as sited, the Chinese model is far superior.
The Chinese "model" is a communist dictatorship. You are correct that the killing of 4 students in an 11 second burst of machine gun fire doesn't equate to the targeted exectution of hundreds or pro-liberalisation protestors. No doubt you feel secure in the city areas of China that you are allowed to visit, and I'm sure that the patriot act has made some people feel more secure in US as well.
Gordo said:
I've know idea what point you are trying to make here. Just to be clear I don't live in the US and I don't believe in many of their foreign and domestic policies. I think for the most part we would probably agree on political issues.
Gordo said:Unless you have experienced the real fredom of being a safe person in a large Chinese city, it is hard to know what we are talking about. You will find that most of the "safe" gated communities, such as we have in the west, were built in China for us. the paranoid foreign interests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gated_community
China is certainly not paradise, but it is a hell of a long ways from the sad, mean, obese, streets of our downtown savagery. Once you get past the the spoonfed lunacy of the red menace, you might see something more
You may call that freedom, but you aren't allowed out of the city. The people who live there are also not allowed to leave as the poplulation is strictly controlled on where they are allowed to live.
I really think you are being disingenuous here to make a point ... which I get but answer me this, where is the wikileaks China files? Where is the opposition in China Gordo? I hear a lot of people complaining about the US gov on this board and on the media I hear dissenting views from every direction. You just don't hear that from China, I guess because everything is so rosy that no one is against governement policy?
As for the free and fair market, that is a complete joke, their currency doesn't float and is artificially held low to prevent other countries from competing on manufacturing. Presumably at some point that currency will be allowed to go up and then China will charge whatever they want to Western countries who have been "out competed" in the manufacturing industries (see rare earth minerals for a current example).
I was out for lunch yesterday with a buddy. And there was an old dude reading the paper to his wife he said "in canada the average wage is $44000 a year... And the top 100 CEOs made their first 44000 already for the year. Yesterday was the 3rd of Janurary! WOW!
Gordo
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sico
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I haven't made any assumptions Gordo, I think you are talking past me and deliberately missing my points. And in a very rude way at that.Gordo said:
If you think that a dictatorship offers you more freedom than a liberal democracy by all means go and live there. I won't wish you luck because, frankly, you seem like a tosser.
Simon.
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From a historical perspective...I often reflect on my years of adventuring...those years between teens and fourty-something...and as I look back on it now...I truely feel that "our era" was perhaps the height of freedom in recorded history. The streets were safe, the cops were courteous, people were'nt wracked with stress and worries, you could always find work.
This descent happened with amazing rapidity, because our government has engineered it to happen and to wipe out middle class. (this country has had the only middle class with clout, and the illuminati didn't tolerate it well) It truely is terrifying and leaves people speechless to think of the 180 interment camps sitting empty, fully built and operational as extermination camps...waiting for us all. They'll be able to "process" 26,000 human bodies a week in each one. Thought Auschwitz was a horror story? Think again.
There's ignorance, and then there's evil.
Belieze is looking pretty good.....but the frozen north will probably be much safer if you can stay unfrozen.
This descent happened with amazing rapidity, because our government has engineered it to happen and to wipe out middle class. (this country has had the only middle class with clout, and the illuminati didn't tolerate it well) It truely is terrifying and leaves people speechless to think of the 180 interment camps sitting empty, fully built and operational as extermination camps...waiting for us all. They'll be able to "process" 26,000 human bodies a week in each one. Thought Auschwitz was a horror story? Think again.
There's ignorance, and then there's evil.
Belieze is looking pretty good.....but the frozen north will probably be much safer if you can stay unfrozen.