Ping Battery v2.5 - Plug and play?

Skunkwise

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Hi ES,
Total noob convert here. My first build after much forum lurking and podcast listening, will be the very noob friendly ebikes.ca's Ezee kit, or E-bikekit.com's kit.

My question is, will Ping's v2.5 (48v 10ah) battery pack plug right into either one of these kits without any custom wire work? The pictures on Ping's site don't show any Anderson connectors, which are what these kits use if I recall the instruction manual illustrations correctly.

My attempts at searching for an answer before posting came up short. I apologize if this is a repeat.
Thanks for your help.
 
you have to wire up the pack to the controller and to the charger when you install it.

do you have a soldering iron? do you have a voltmeter or any tools?

you should figure out in advance how you will mount the battery and where on the bike.

li ping can help by making your battery in two sections if you need that to make the battery work on your bike. but you will need to solder the wires together connecting everything.

if you had a location in your profile then there may be someone local to you who would help.
 
I do not have a soldering iron or a voltmeter, nor the know-how to use one. I will be purchasing a CA though. I've watched the "how to Anderson your cables" video in the FAQ post, and that seems easy enough. What would I need a soldering iron for?

I plan on the standard rack trunk/bag battery install. The controller will be just under the rear rack. I'm converting a new Tern Link folding bike. The motor will be a front geared hub to distribute some of the added weight.

I'm in Los Angeles, although I don't know how comfortable I'd be with showing up to someone's place with parts and saying fix my bike. I'm seriously unskilled in ebike hacking but certainly capable and excited to embark on a new awesome hobby.
 
Ask ping to include some connector pieces to make it easier for you
 
I'm in Los Angeles, although I don't know how comfortable I'd be with showing up to someone's place with parts and saying fix my bike. I'm seriously unskilled in ebike hacking but certainly capable and excited to embark on a new awesome hobby.

Sometimes all it takes is to ask for help.
If you were in Chicagoland area, no problem be happy to help the cause.

As for unskilled, you will learn fast or you will be lost.

We can't fix it over the web if you don't know hat to do with the support given. Learn you will!

Dan
 
Anderson connectors will work. You will need the apropriate crimper. Get extra parts for the future and a few just to practice. It takes 2 or 3 tries in the begining. Talk to your local bike shop. If they can not help they may know someone that can. Good luck.
 
10 ah is smaller than I'd recomend for a 20 amp or 25 amp controlller. You need to bump up to 15 ah to run either kit imo. And don't upgrade to a large controller if you get the direct drive kit. 30 amps is too much for any pingbattery smaller than 20 ah.

10 ah is theoretically big enough if everything is perfect. But it never is in the real world. 15 ah gives you a hedge for when the hills get steep, and should result in much longer battery lifespan.

You should be able to crimp on some andersons fairly easy. Get extra contacts to practice on. Powerwerks is the place. Get about 4 or more housings, in red and black, and about 10 sets of contacts. It's quite possible to learn to crimp good with cheap crimpers like they sell at harbor freight or home depot. Worth it to buy the expensive crimpers only if you do lots of em.
 
I ordered alot of Ping battery and i can give you a great advice to keep your pacl health good: dont forget to unplug the large white multi wire connector for long storage period of your battery ( 1month+) to avoid the BMS circuit to drain and unbalance the 4 first cells. The signalab BMS are like that... but they work great anyway.

also for lomg storage, keep your battery at around 50% charge.. not full and not empty. this will keep your battery health good.

I have many 15Ah battery for my familly and they are used on 35A controller and they work perfect.

These battery really does their rated Ah :wink:

The product is easy to use and is safe.

Doc
 
Harbor Freight offers up FREE volt/ohm meters if you have the right coupon. They aren't great meters, but they're good.
(Send me a personal message if you can't drum up a coupon, I'll mail you one . . .)

I'd ask a similar question on the Cycle Analyst -- what sort of connector or pin-out does it have? Is it plug and play with the E-bikekit.com controller?

To the OP, I wouldn't worry too much about turning up at a bike shop with questions, and if you're even a bit mechanically inclined, the kits are a breeze to install. If you can change a flat tire, you can install a kit. And in my experience (40+ years of cycling and having worked in a bike shop) how they treat someone with exactly this type of question decently, you don't want or need to business with them. Lots of bad attitude in some shops. So steer clear of 'em.

Here's a motorized bike shop with an interesting website just south of you:
http://www.spookytoothcycles.com/
I don't know a thing about them, but the website sure is intriguing . . . don't get sidelined by the gas-powered stuff, though.
 
Wow thanks for the input. I will definitely start practicing my stripping and crimping now.

@ Dogman, Thank you! I had already pulled the trigger on a 48v 10ah from Ping last night, but I have no problems upgrading if necessary, hopefully he is able to update my order in time. Email sent. My short commute (7 mi) each way, my intention to only be on the throttle to work and strictly pedal back, and the fact that it's a folding bike that I lug onto a train were my reasons for going 10ah. Your suggestion however, made me go and re-read the battery info/FAQ threads. That lead to me trying to run through some of the posted formulas, and you were right, 10ah is perfect on paper. Real world application however is not and I'd feel much better with the extra amp hours.

@Goathead, I imagine I'll have to order the stand-alone CA with the e-bikekit, which looks like you just need to slap on a few andersons. The direct plug version comes with a 6-pin deal that I doubt is directly compatible with the e-bikekit. Someone who actually knows what they're talking about may want to chime in.

Thanks for the helpful responses so far.
 
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I thought I heard that the 36v Ezee controller doesn't like 48v. Can someone confirm this?
Or do you already have a 48v controller?
 
You will need to get the stand-alone CycleAnalyst if you go with the EBikeKit.com kit -- just confirmed (and ordered) the CycleAnalyst in anticipation of ordering better batteries.

With the stand-alone version that you get a shunt that you can cast off, gaining full capability if you change out your controller. When it arrives, I'll try to figure out if a pig-tail can be made to work out full functionality (but I'm dubious, or EBikeKit.com would probably offer it.)
 
Skunkwise, I used a Ping 48v 10ah every day 14 miles round trip without any problems, I charged at work then charged at home I got 2 chargers, one 5a and one 2a charger for home and work and it still gave me 8ah of juice after 3 years.
I used my battery to power the older version of Ebikekit Direct Drive with a 25amps controller, the only reason it is now retired is because I forgot to disconnect the BMS when I stored over winter this year (Doc mentioned earlier). That battery taught me alot about battery management. To replace it I wanted to get a V.3 Ping battery from Li Ping but he told me that the V2.5 can handle 25amps draw, just will not last as long. I chose to go with Lipo instead.
So the bottom line is the Ping 48v 10ah battery should last you even if you use a 25amp controller and will still give you 8ah after three years. By then there will be newer better battery tech available.
 
d8veh said:
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I thought I heard that the 36v Ezee controller doesn't like 48v. Can someone confirm this?
Or do you already have a 48v controller?

You're correct, however it looks like the guys from ebikes.ca have sprinkled happy thoughts onto the Ezee controllers and made them fully 48v compliant. I'm leaning heavily toward the e-bikekit though, only because the Ezee kit is a few hundred dollars more with shipping costs included. I'll have to re-read about what the heck the CA shunt piece actually does to see if I can wrap my head around it before I decide.

@Racer_X thanks for the testimony. The math behind a 10ah battery seems perfect for my situation, but it won't hurt to add 5ah's at the cost of 6 lbs. And when it comes to picking out a battery, I'll defer to Dogman all day.
 
Goathead,
Free or cheap can be expensive. I had a harbour freight volt meter and it could not come close to accuratre. It is now land fill. I innitially thougt it was correct. That caused me lots of worry, aggravation, and a lot of time. In the long run most of the time I have found in tools you get what you pay for. And a meter must be reliable and accurate.
 
I'm not saying that the good folks at Fluke need to worry about the freebie DMMs from Harbor Freight . . .

I've got one that's a dud and one that works and several more still in the package. Not great, but good -- test some known sources (your car battery, a D cell, a power outlet, USB charger) will let you know if it's good. But "good" is all it will ever be, though that's probably sufficient for most users.
 
I have a 36v 15 Ahr battery (540 Whr) and a 7 mile one way every day. Also have a 72v 5 Ahr (360 Whr) bike. Yours is a 48V 10 Ahr pack. The 540 Whr pack will do the trip twice (it is on a mid-mount though). The 360 Whr once (hub motor bike). I seldom ever charge at the midpoint and have never run out of juice. Note that the bigger battery will give you a higher discharge rate, for a fixed voltage. I note also that, if I push the 360 Whr battery, it would just barely make it back.

Range will depend highly on your route and your use of the throttle. My route is pretty hilly. If you have a flat route and you keep your speed and acceleration down (speed under 25 mph, say), the smaller battery will be fine. Note that battery capacity will drop over time; however, I have approx. 5000 miles on the 540 Whr battery (similar to a Ping) and is is still in good shape. I am not a watt hog, exp. on that bike however. That battery is on a mid-drive and it has never seen over 20 amps (1.3 C) and is currently limited to 1 C (15 amps). I would never be able to get away with this on a hub motor on my route however. The hub motor sees 20 amps for short bursts at (nominally) 70v so that is 1400W or 4C. The battery in that case is "LiPO" (standard Turnigy chemistry, not sure of the exact form of Li) with a 25C rating.

As far as putting on Andersons, they can be crimped on or soldered on. I have actually had better luck with crimping, but be careful not to crimp them so aggressively that they bend the contact shaft or they can be difficult to get in the housing. If you bend them back into shape, you have to be a bit careful not to overdo it, but it is pretty simple. In my first experience with Andersons, I had trouble getting the contacts in the housing. I recommend using a very small screwdriver (or similar thing) to push the contact fully into the housing from the "back" side". There is actually a tool for doing this but a jeweler's screwdriver works well also. When it is in all the way, you will hear a "click" and there will be a little slop between the contact and the housing. The housings are made so that the contacts go in relatively easily but don't come back out, unless you pry inside the housing. The contact only goes in correctly one way; if you get it upside down, it will be difficult to insert and will not "click" into position. Just look carefully at the inside of the housing and the contact and you will see that the contact has a little lip at the end that snaps over a plastic lip in the housing. They are about as easy to put on as any shielded connector and easier than most. I am certain you can do it. If you opt to solder them on, you have to be careful not to get too much solder on the contact or it will be difficult to get in the housing and it might not seat properly. My only complaint with Andersons is that the smaller size doesn't hold on great when connected and I have had a problem with bad crimps where the wire pulled out, when used with a small gauge wire. If you ever use them on a fairly small gauge wire, you have to be careful to crimp them properly or the wire will pull out under a little stress.

Best thing to do is get several extras and practice. After 3, you will be ready to go, I imagine. You will want to be able to put on the connectors yourself anyway. There is a reasonable chance you will have to repair one in the future and it is just easier to do it yourself than to take it to a shop.
 
Great tips, thanks.

I am in the process for tracking down all of the tools and parts to get my crimping on, I assume that I need the 30A Andersons and contacts, which would for be a 12-14 gauge wire. Is that right?
 
30 amp is fine but the 45 amp contacts also fit the regular 30 amp housings but have a little more surface area. They do connect with each other.
otherDoc
 
Jason27 said:
Ask ping to include some connector pieces to make it easier for you

Each order I placed with Ping ( 36 volt, 48volt, and 60 volt batteries) I followed up with an email requesting to put 30 amp anderson connectors on the discharge wires. Ping did it for all of my batteries. He's a great person to do business with!
 
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