stealth bomber prices?

[docnjoj]

The fighter has the schlumph, but the bomber has a Vboxx. A fully intagrated 9 speed crank transmission. Last price I saw on one I think was something like $2500 to the OEM, and not even sold retail.

To answer Tommy's question, I think I have more than $7000 in my bike now. Probably more. I don't realy want to know at this point, but it's been worth it.

Yep that is the transmission I meant! Complex beyond belief!
otherDoc

 

[Kepler]

stealth electric bikes biggest mistake was not using a mid drive motor system. for the weight they are using in a hub motor they could of used the bldc golden motors that are 10kg and 10kw and support 48v to 120v and would climb hills better and better centre of gravity. if anybody is interested the golden motors cells the bldc motors and they are liquid cooled option. what we need is a electric bike frame which has the look of mountain bike frame but with increased strenth to handle to the 10kw mid drive motor motors. carbon fibre would be the best choice for lightness or titanium. the cyclone mid drive system does 30mph easily and makes the stealth bike look poor value for money considering the price and difference in speed

Are you serious? You are comparing a low powered Cyclone mid drive with a Stealth? Do you understand what is involved with building a high powered mid drive bike that could handle the punishment a Stealth can handle?

I would suggest that Stealth have made no mistake with their design using a high powered hub motor when you consider the cost and complexity of building a reliable high powered mid drive system.

 

[spinningmagnets]

I don't know which model came out first (between the Bomber and the Fighter), but Stealth is still in business because they are making quality high-performance products that somebody likes well-enough to pay the premium price for.

Personally, I would recommend that Stealth begins developing a mid-drive (if they haven't already), but in regards to their existing line, there are still riders who very much like the extra-quiet operation that a direct-drive hub delivers. And some people enjoy having a lot of power without having to shift on occasion to keep the non-hub motor in the best possible gear. I am on record as being a fan of mid-drives with motor-gears, but..."to each his own"?

Should anyone wish to disparage the Stealth Bomber because of its premium price in comparison to a Cyclone-powered E-bike, I recommend they test-ride both to be able to see what all the fuss is about.

 

[Trackman417]

People seem to forget that they have actual warranty's on the product they sell! Warranty returns are not cheap in the long run. LLbean is a perfect example. People wonder why their products are expensive. They have a unconditional lifetime warranty on their products. You can tell them, You did not like the way your rain jacket burned and they will refund the value of the item. It makes buying a product, that is expensive, seem like a better deal (and it is).

It would be a completely different story if stealth charged $10,000 for the bomber and there was no warranty on it what so ever.

 

[Jason27]

Spinningmagnets it could be stealth is still in business because they haven't fully burned through their startup capital yet. How long have they been around. A few years?

 

[spinningmagnets]

Perhaps you're right. I'm seeing a lot of companies embracing mid-drives as an addition to their line-up. With competition, Stealth may finally need to lower the prices on existing models and add a mid-drive to stay current with the trends? They are in Aus, so their riding season is declining, and I suppose 6 months from now I'll need to keep an eye out for new products from them...

 

[lbz5mc12]

You know what would be cool, a high powered whole wheel hub motor with spinners that look flashy but also provide cooling for the motor.

 

[Blueshift]

This is what i Don't understand...

A really good moped which is designed to last and can be had easily for 1500 dollars.. that includes suspension, durable wheels, brake lights, diskbrakes, etc, etc....

Okay now lets consider that gas setups are cheaper so lets add some money for a eletric ebike type setup

700 for batteries sound reasonable?
1000 dollars for dd motor + controller cables? ok lets shave off
200 for the gas motor
comes out to around 3000 dollars.
so would 5000 be a better price point?
2000 made off the bike
20 bucks an hour lets say 1 bike per day (8 hrs) - 160
so 2000-160
1840 lets say they sell/make 5 bikes per month
thats 9200 dollars for the owner per month.

this is buying from a company pre made items... wouldn't it even be cheaper to make or buy direct from factory?

The stealth bomber to me seems like it isnt just a transportation bike or a simple off road bike. It seems like that padding of the existing prices is because it is a specialized bike that does not focus on basic transport but also focuses on elegance and maneuverability, how light the bike is, and efficiency. These things to me are secondary but that does not mean that there isn't people willing to pay for such a product.

I guess what i am getting down to is do not expect the stealth bomber to be transportation centered. It is most likely priced based on specialized engineering, comfort , elegance, aerobatic, and all that useless stuff for the transportation minded user. If this is not the case then it truly is overpriced. Many will say the quality components make it priced what it is. A 7000 gas bike will get you much further and have quality components as well. I really think that the tech is not ready to be a reasonable alternative to gas vehicles till they can compete with gas moped/motorcycles cost. Saving gas money doesnt count that much in peoples minds when you have 80mpg+..

 

[lbz5mc12]

Stealth bikes are hand built, not mass produced and look a whole lot cooler then a moped.

 

[Rodney64]

This is what i Don't understand...

A really good moped which is designed to last and can be had easily for 1500 dollars.. that includes suspension, durable wheels, brake lights, diskbrakes, etc, etc....

Okay now lets consider that gas setups are cheaper so lets add some money for a eletric ebike type setup

700 for batteries sound reasonable?
1000 dollars for dd motor + controller cables? ok lets shave off
200 for the gas motor
comes out to around 3000 dollars.
so would 5000 be a better price point?
2000 made off the bike
20 bucks an hour lets say 1 bike per day (8 hrs) - 160
so 2000-160
1840 lets say they sell/make 5 bikes per month
thats 9200 dollars for the owner per month.

this is buying from a company pre made items... wouldn't it even be cheaper to make or buy direct from factory?

The stealth bomber to me seems like it isnt just a transportation bike or a simple off road bike. It seems like that padding of the existing prices is because it is a specialized bike that does not focus on basic transport but also focuses on elegance and maneuverability, how light the bike is, and efficiency. These things to me are secondary but that does not mean that there isn't people willing to pay for such a product.

I guess what i am getting down to is do not expect the stealth bomber to be transportation centered. It is most likely priced based on specialized engineering, comfort , elegance, aerobatic, and all that useless stuff for the transportation minded user. If this is not the case then it truly is overpriced. Many will say the quality components make it priced what it is. A 7000 gas bike will get you much further and have quality components as well. I really think that the tech is not ready to be a reasonable alternative to gas vehicles till they can compete with gas moped/motorcycles cost. Saving gas money doesnt count that much in peoples minds when you have 80mpg+..

No you're out along way.

The battery is more like 2000
Charger. 400
Motor 700
Good brakes. 500
Suspension. Rear 500
Forks. 800
Wheel front. 250
Frame 2500
Good seat. 200
Vbox. Guess 1000
Controller. 300
If you went to build a bike from scratch with average components this is what it would cost to build.

I think stealth are very reasonably priced.

 

[melodious]

The next step after stealth in choices is Xero

 

[Blueshift]

This is what i Don't understand...

A really good moped which is designed to last and can be had easily for 1500 dollars.. that includes suspension, durable wheels, brake lights, diskbrakes, etc, etc....

Okay now lets consider that gas setups are cheaper so lets add some money for a eletric ebike type setup

700 for batteries sound reasonable?
1000 dollars for dd motor + controller cables? ok lets shave off
200 for the gas motor
comes out to around 3000 dollars.
so would 5000 be a better price point?
2000 made off the bike
20 bucks an hour lets say 1 bike per day (8 hrs) - 160
so 2000-160
1840 lets say they sell/make 5 bikes per month
thats 9200 dollars for the owner per month.

this is buying from a company pre made items... wouldn't it even be cheaper to make or buy direct from factory?

The stealth bomber to me seems like it isnt just a transportation bike or a simple off road bike. It seems like that padding of the existing prices is because it is a specialized bike that does not focus on basic transport but also focuses on elegance and maneuverability, how light the bike is, and efficiency. These things to me are secondary but that does not mean that there isn't people willing to pay for such a product.

I guess what i am getting down to is do not expect the stealth bomber to be transportation centered. It is most likely priced based on specialized engineering, comfort , elegance, aerobatic, and all that useless stuff for the transportation minded user. If this is not the case then it truly is overpriced. Many will say the quality components make it priced what it is. A 7000 gas bike will get you much further and have quality components as well. I really think that the tech is not ready to be a reasonable alternative to gas vehicles till they can compete with gas moped/motorcycles cost. Saving gas money doesnt count that much in peoples minds when you have 80mpg+..

No you're out along way.

The battery is more like 2000
Charger. 400
Motor 700
Good brakes. 500
Suspension. Rear 500
Forks. 800
Wheel front. 250
Frame 2500
Good seat. 200
Vbox. Guess 1000
Controller. 300
If you went to build a bike from scratch with average components this is what it would cost to build.

I think stealth are very reasonably priced.

800 dollar forks sound expensive Most people don't need 800 dollar forks nor 500 dollar suspension. When thinking about weight than i see why those forks are more expensive(probably light metals/carbon etc.) but most are willing to sacrifice a bit of performance by having metal forks. I have seen dirt bike forks/suspension for under 200 dollars. I haven't heard anything about massive fork failures with dirtbikes.

2000 battery? A 48v 20ah battery can be had for under 700 bucks. now that may not be as beefy as whats in the bomber but lets face it 20 ah is still pretty good mileage (what like 25-35 miles). Most people wont care/notice the difference imo. That is why I think this bike is more targeted to those who have extra cash to buy expensive toys or are looking for a special bike. I wish there were more bikes priced between the curries and the bombers/optibikes.

If someone were to build a bike and sell it that matched up to the bomber pound for pound then Im sure it is a good deal for how expensive the components are. However, manufacturing that makes it lighter, be able to use it like a dirt bike for sport, jumping off things, and tricks; these things simply cost more to be able to do and this is part of the reason this bike has a very narrow target group.

That being said, I would love to own one