thinking about building a 17S10A INR18650-29E pack

emaayan

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hi..
my current pack is http://em3ev.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=35&product_id=123

so, i have an ecospeed kit which uses a bmc motor 12570-3 , this seems to have a no load speed of about 4000 rpm at 36v, which would make it around 111 rpm/v, i also have a mac motor which has about 80 rpm/v , this make sense as i can reach around 42kph with bmc motor (at 1500 watts) , and about 37 kph with mac.

any attempt to go around 2000 watts with bmc crushes it's magnets after a month, i was thinking about switching to http://www.lightningrodev.com/parts/index.html , however it's motor has 67rpm/v would make me even slower. however it's spec seem to withstand higher amps, but in order to regain the speed i've lost i would have to re-struct a new triangle battery of http://em3ev.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=42&product_id=76 (it's the only reliable bms supplier i know of) so then i'll 17*3.6*67=4100.
(btw in case anyone is wondering the frame is custom made to have a VERY large triangle, in fact in the bag i'm using right now from em3v, could contain even more cells)

problem is, i don't know anything about pack building, my attempt to custom order a123 one, has failed, miserably, (so i have 16s 15.a useless traingle i keep for testing stuff)

i was thinking about using INR18650-29E http://store.enerdan.de/gb/li-ion-cells/unprotected-cells/samsung-inr18650-29e-li-ion-3-62v-4-2v-laden-2900-mah-3c.html (they seem have a service for soldering tail , although i don't know what button-top actually means), i also thought about using a hot glue gun, instead http://www.dx.com/p/abs-3-hole-18650-battery-holders-black-10-pcs-270382, to save space but i'm not sure what's exactly is the process of glueing them, and what glue (if a specific type is needed)

it also occurred to me that i could use a divide and conquir approach, creating a 1S10P packs and hooking them all up to the BMS. the wires from the bms would be connected with isolated cable footings, such as these http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mX9gF9M3iYBaezW5FaIS9iA.jpg

what do you think?
 
First of all, your hot glue idea can result in a fail, at power levels you expect from this small pack. 3C will probably heat the cells to the level where glue gets liquid again.
 
i do not expect to go beyond 40 A, how's that 3C?
 
Get the spacer kit and or have spot welded in parelle strings with pos. Side gasket to protect from case. This can be done in China from suppler.
 
like i said, the germany supplier seems to have spot welded the cells (either in U or Z form, i don't know the difference look at the link) what's a side gasket?
 
Yes but the pack will be around 30Ah so 3c should be 90c.
 
emaayan said:
Yes but the pack will be around 30Ah so 3c should be 90c.
You mean 90A, right? I was taking numbers from topic subject "17s10Ah?" . Anyway 40A from 30Ah pack may not melt the glue, but I would use(or reiforce with) at least silicon to be sure.
 
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