Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases

megacycle said:
It's either a several minute charge for cars at supercharge stations, or I think the flow cell tanks will come, they will be a practical solution to fill tanks instead.

People need to learn to adapt. Its not an incontinence to plug in at home and there is good wireless charging as well. It is an inconvenience to find a gas station.
Waiting 30 min for an 80%-90% charge on a 500km+ range vehicle is perfectly acceptable look at how many of the stops you do with a ice ONLY TO GET GAS FOR 5 MIN!
Most stops on road trips like that need a bathroom break and or snack/drink break. So 30min is the norm for a gas and go anyways.
If you are in a bigger hurry go for the battery swap like tesla is offering. They are just installing them now only for the clean vehicle credits because up till this point no one cared for being that fast.

As for a FLOW battery that is a 100% bad idea it will mean we will get charged out the ass for the slurry or what ever they "FLOW" into our vehicle and then the big companies can get even richer.
 
Arlo1 said:
People need to learn to adapt. Its not an incontinence to plug in at home and there is good wireless charging as well. It is an inconvenience to find a gas station.
I dont think so, as engineers and technicians we need to adapt to get around public need, hate to say it, but most are ignorant of the technical brilliance, which is the EV and don't want to wait, I think maybe more than a dozen minutes to fill, would start to fustrate them, the overnight fill is ok, but there will never be home, car, supercharging for obvious reasons.

Arlo1 said:
As for a FLOW battery that is a 100% bad idea it will mean we will get charged out the ass for the slurry or what ever they "FLOW" into our vehicle and then the big companies can get even richer.
That's right, I understand where your coming from and I'm similar politics, I also hate our neo-feudal system, where overlords of mega corporations are really ruling us and destroying our planet at the same time.
But understanding this, that to keep the status quo power, that they need, mainly through the monetary system, mostly means, aligning our technology with their needs, this would see the explosion in uptake of EV technology and all the knock on innovation needed.
As technicians and engineers etc, we can often circumvent technical systems for advantage, just as people in the finance industry or whatever system have advantage, we don't live in a communist or even socialist state, we live in a corrupt, pseudo - democracy, run by money/power elites, who have conservative values, eg they would feel better if they stole your idea :mrgreen:

Now how to tackle the coal barons :mrgreen:
 
megacycle said:
Arlo1 said:
People need to learn to adapt. Its not an incontinence to plug in at home and there is good wireless charging as well. It is an inconvenience to find a gas station.
I dont think so, as engineers and technicians we need to adapt to get around public need, hate to say it, but most are ignorant of the technical brilliance, which is the EV and don't want to wait, I think maybe more than a dozen minutes to fill, would start to fustrate them, the overnight fill is ok, but there will never be home, car, supercharging for obvious reasons.

Arlo1 said:
As for a FLOW battery that is a 100% bad idea it will mean we will get charged out the ass for the slurry or what ever they "FLOW" into our vehicle and then the big companies can get even richer.
I can put 6kw into my bike at home with my DIY charger off just 1 50 amp 220v outlet. So that's pretty good. 3 hours is more then enough for both my wife and I for our daily needs.
 
Arlo1 said:
I can put 6kw into my bike at home with my DIY charger off just 1 50 amp 220v outlet. So that's pretty good. 3 hours is more then enough for both my wife and I for our daily needs.
Yeh us aussies are lucky to have the 230V standard wall outlets.
I've been pumping my 800Wh ebike pack at over 3kW from a 15A outlet, at home for a 20 min fill, for a while and no real incontinence problems, you mention :mrgreen:
Yeh, Ebikes are great for charging from home and there should be a shit load more on the road.
 
LockH said:
Not "Battery" tech exactly, but:
'Miracle' tech turns water into fuel
German cleantech company Sunfire GmbH has unveiled a machine that converts water and carbon dioxide into synthetic petroleum-based fuels.
http://www.cnet.com/news/miracle-tech-turns-water-into-fuel/

Interesting,Thanks for posting this.Almost always in these type of cases the cost is way to high for it to be feasible.Also one wonders how much of this synthetic fuel could reasonably be produced.

Tim
 
Archer said:
LockH said:
Not "Battery" tech exactly, but:
'Miracle' tech turns water into fuel
German cleantech company Sunfire GmbH has unveiled a machine that converts water and carbon dioxide into synthetic petroleum-based fuels.
http://www.cnet.com/news/miracle-tech-turns-water-into-fuel/

Interesting,Thanks for posting this.Almost always in these type of cases the cost is way to high for it to be feasible.Also one wonders how much of this synthetic fuel could reasonably be produced.

Tim

The thing is, petroleum products are not an efficient way to store energy and they're *definitely* not an efficient way to discharge it-- ICE are notoriously inefficient. So why bother? I don't see the point, unless you're making plastic-- and there are more efficient ways to get plastic.

I briefly helped on a project that produced thermoplastic from recombinant algae and a sample of wastewater from the local sewage plant. We were able to convert 40% of the dissolved material in the wastewater into purified thermoplastic, and the purification process was as simple as gentle heating...

I want to have quick charges and a huge capacity all together, but I think I might pick one for my next build instead. To have both... I'd need a lot more electronics. I suppose 1200w will do if I have a 7+kwhr pack =)
 
xenodius said:
I want to have quick charges and a huge capacity all together, but I think I might pick one for my next build instead. To have both... I'd need a lot more electronics. I suppose 1200w will do if I have a 7+kwhr pack =)

These appear to be doing well, with some ES members, very portable and cheap too.
http://m.aliexpress.com/item/1276038849.html?tracelog=storedetail2mobilesitedetail
 
I'm definitely getting at least one of those, they're extremely power dense. But I'm curious if it would be possible to cool the hell out of the Max-E with some Arctic Silver and say, CPU coolers or a giant heatsink, and get a few Eatons and wire them up to each phase and ground them in parallel, and power all that from a J1722 so I could have 300+ mile range and ~1 hour charge times. I'll ask the Adappto guys at some point...
 
xenodius said:
I'm definitely getting at least one of those, they're extremely power dense. But I'm curious if it would be possible to cool the hell out of the Max-E with some Arctic Silver and say, CPU coolers or a giant heatsink, and get a few Eatons and wire them up to each phase and ground them in parallel, and power all that from a J1722 so I could have 300+ mile range and ~1 hour charge times. I'll ask the Adappto guys at some point...

Off topic totally, but, the innards of the maxi are shown here
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=61484
The guy did a mod to the thermal path.
FET to copper to aluminum with fins is best, if the path is made well, the copper sinks the heat better than the aluminum dissipates it to the environment.
The maxi controller can run 12kW peak so it could be possible to run your 3 Eatons as that's only 3x1800W max, the FETS could be up to it, but I'm not an EE, if you pose the question on the thread, you could get an answer
 
Hi,

http://m.autoblog.com/2014/12/02/ni...ange/?post=1&icid=autobloggreen_river_article
Nissan battery breakthrough to double Leaf EV range within a few years

The Tesla Model S might be the headline-grabber of the electric vehicle world, but the Nissan Leaf is the segment's secret star. With over 130,000 sold worldwide since its introduction and record US sales in 2014, the little hatchback has helped its parents at the Renault-Nissan Alliance to sell over 200,000 EVs since 2010.

With that much success in the EV business, there's no reason for the automaker to stop now, and according to CEO Carlos Ghosn a huge technological breakthrough is on the way to make plug-ins an attractive choice for more drivers than ever before. In an interview on Japanese TV, Ghosn confirmed that Nissan has a new battery that could allow for over 400 kilometers (249 miles) of range.

New batteries could "very soon take the issue of range off of the table." – Jeff Kuhlman

Ghosn was tight-lipped on the details of the tech, but Daily Kanban dug deeper. An unnamed Nissan engineer confirmed that the roughly 250-mile range would be for a Leaf-sized vehicle – a massive leap over the hatchback's current EPA-rated max of 84 miles or 124 miles in Europe. The battery reportedly offers twice the capacity, while bringing weight and costs down compared to the present version. "Commercial applications could be no more than one model cycle away," said the anonymous worker, making the innovation sound even more tantalizing.

Lending even more credence to this major battery innovation, Nissan spokesperson Jeff Kuhlman told Daily Kanban: "We continue our R&D efforts because we believe that we can do more with battery electric, and very soon take the issue of range off of the table."

Renault-Nissan is betting a huge portion of its chips on the future of battery electric vehicles. The company even tried stuffing a 48-kilowatt hour pack into a Leaf for an event in Spain last year. While not its primary focus, the automaker is hedging its bets slightly by working with Daimler and Ford on fuel cell innovations, as well.
 
Ok, not batteries, but maybe better...
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-hemp-nanosheets-topple-graphene-ideal.html

"We're past the proof-of-principle stage for the fully functional supercapacitor," he says. "Now we're gearing up for small-scale manufacturing."


Could hemp nanosheets topple graphene for making the ideal supercapacitor?
Aug 12, 2014



As hemp makes a comeback in the U.S. after a decades-long ban on its cultivation, scientists are reporting that fibers from the plant can pack as much energy and power as graphene, long-touted as the model material for supercapacitors. They're presenting their research, which a Canadian start-up company is working on scaling up, at the 248th National Meeting & Exposition of the American Chemical Society (ACS).

David Mitlin, Ph.D., explains that supercapacitors are energy storage devices that have huge potential to transform the way future electronics are powered. Unlike today's rechargeable batteries, which sip up energy over several hours, supercapacitors can charge and discharge within seconds. But they normally can't store nearly as much energy as batteries, an important property known as energy density. One approach researchers are taking to boost supercapacitors' energy density is to design better electrodes. Mitlin's team has figured out how to make them from certain hemp fibers—and they can hold as much energy as the current top contender: graphene.

"Our device's electrochemical performance is on par with or better than graphene-based devices," Mitlin says. "The key advantage is that our electrodes are made from biowaste using a simple process, and therefore, are much cheaper than graphene."

The race toward the ideal supercapacitor has largely focused on graphene—a strong, light material made of atom-thick layers of carbon, which when stacked, can be made into electrodes. Scientists are investigating how they can take advantage of graphene's unique properties to build better solar cells, water filtration systems, touch-screen technology, as well as batteries and supercapacitors. The problem is it's expensive.

Mitlin's group decided to see if they could make graphene-like carbons from hemp bast fibers. The fibers come from the inner bark of the plant and often are discarded from Canada's fast-growing industries that use hemp for clothing, construction materials and other products. The U.S. could soon become another supplier of bast. It now allows limited cultivation of hemp, which unlike its close cousin, does not induce highs.

Scientists had long suspected there was more value to the hemp bast—it was just a matter of finding the right way to process the material.

"We've pretty much figured out the secret sauce of it," says Mitlin, who's now with Clarkson University in New York. "The trick is to really understand the structure of a starter material and to tune how it's processed to give you what would rightfully be called amazing properties."

His team found that if they heated the fibers for 24 hours at a little over 350 degrees Fahrenheit, and then blasted the resulting material with more intense heat, it would exfoliate into carbon nanosheets.

Mitlin's team built their supercapacitors using the hemp-derived carbons as electrodes and an ionic liquid as the electrolyte.
(Edit: An ionic liquid (IL) is a salt in the liquid state......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_liquid)

Fully assembled, the devices performed far better than commercial supercapacitors in both energy density and the range of temperatures over which they can work. The hemp-based devices yielded energy densities as high as 12 Watt-hours per kilogram, two to three times higher than commercial counterparts. They also operate over an impressive temperature range, from freezing to more than 200 degrees Fahrenheit.

"We're past the proof-of-principle stage for the fully functional supercapacitor," he says. "Now we're gearing up for small-scale manufacturing."
 
Cool. I wonder what the hemp electrodes smell like if you burn one up? They throw away tons of the stuff in California.
 
e-beach said:
Ok, not batteries, but maybe better...
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-hemp-nanosheets-topple-graphene-ideal.html

"We're past the proof-of-principle stage for the fully functional supercapacitor," he says. "Now we're gearing up for small-scale manufacturing."


Could hemp nanosheets topple graphene for making the ideal supercapacitor?
Aug 12, 2014
Wow it's pretty amazing announcement.
This is the second really interesting battery like announcement where they kind of ditched graphine but instead used the same graphine model with an alternative material.

The other interesting thing is they talked about how one of their secrets is carbonising the hemp. For medical murijuana users I have read that this carbonising process is also very important process for their medicine.

I think I have more hope for these alternative models then using actual graphine because there playing with graphine for ever now.

I guess the next step would be that "legalize it" campaigners have new ammunition with this discovery as they can claim that the worlds green energy problems would probably be solved by now if it wasn't for the pesky government being so fearful of hemp.
 
TheBeastie said:
The other interesting thing is they talked about how one of their secrets is carbonising the hemp. For medical murijuana users I have read that this carbonising process is also very important process for their medicine.

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
spinningmagnets said:
New start-up called "Seeo" claiming a dramatic increase of range using existing chemistry by a combination of gel and solid electrolyte

http://www.technologyreview.com/new...tery-could-double-the-range-of-electric-cars/
Cool, sounds good.
I found this statement a tad dubious though, I mean how long does it take to do a cycle test? Normally we expect them to overstate promises, maybe too honest?
Some key questions remain. Seeo doesn’t yet know how many times the batteries can be recharged, for example. In an ongoing test, prototype cells have so far survived more than 100 charges, but to be practical they will need to last over 1,000 cycles.
 
spinningmagnets said:
New start-up called "Seeo" claiming a dramatic increase of range using existing chemistry by a combination of gel and solid electrolyte
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/12/28/will-seeos-400-whkg-battery-fulfil-expectations/
Seeo expects to start manufacturing a 300 Wh/kg battery in mid to late 2015....

“Our battery technology is made on standard lithium-ion processing equipment, using mostly standard materials. We have developed our own proprietary polymer electrolyte. That’s the fundamental technology the company was founded on and we have an exclusive license to that from Lawrence Berkeley labs,” said Zarem. “We have developed a large family of patents around that technology.”

“It’s an all solid state battery. Solid interfaces lead to a more reliable battery. We have groups of cells that have undergone cycle testing to over 2,000 cycles, which is excellent, and we are continuing to improve on that.”
I read that and thought, sounds exactly like A123, whose advancement as the first 2,000+ cycle battery was based on a number of proprietary improvements including their electrolyte and nanophosphate. So, Samsung is a major investor and is a move to position itself along Panasonic in the expanding universe of electric vehicles.
 
Hi,

I saw this in a news article:
Nexeon Appoints Top Automotive Expert to its Board of Directors

Battery materials development company Nexeon has appointed Tony Posawatz as a Non-Executive Director (NED) with immediate effect. Posawatz is well known in the automotive industry for leading the team that brought the award-winning Chevrolet Volt from concept to production.

He is an expert in vehicle electrification, alternative/advanced propulsion, energy and clean technology, with over 30 years’ experience, much of it at General Motors. He was recognized as an Automotive News All-Star and was awarded The Detroit Free Press Automotive Leadership Award. After leaving GM, Posawatz became President & CEO of Fisker Automotive, the producer of the award-winning Karma plug-in hybrid electric vehicle.
So I decided to look at Nexeon:
http://www.nexeon.co.uk/technology-2/
Nexeon technology overview

Nexeon has patented a unique way of structuring silicon so that it delivers extended cycle life and significantly increases battery capacity.

In contrast to carbon, Nexeon’s silicon anode materials have a much higher capacity for lithium and as a result are capable of almost ten times the gravimetre capacity per gram (mAh/g).
At the carbon anode: 6C + Li+ + e- ↔ LiC6 ⇒ 372 mAh/g

At the silicon anode: 4Si + 15Li+ + 15e- ↔ Li15Si4 ⇒ 3580 mAh/g

Nexeon’s patented silicon structures overcome the previous problems of poor cycle life encountered when using silicon by mitigating the volume expansion issue. These uniquely structured silicon anode materials deliver extended cycle life without degradation of capacity:

Nexeon is developing a range of materials with differing morphologies and capacities.

The first commercially available material is a low cost silicon capable of capacities up to 1000mAh/g.

A commercial 2600 mAh 18650 Li-ion cell today uses around 10g of graphite anode material. Just 2.6g of Nexeon’s unique first generation structured silicon can replace graphite.

Second generation material has a different morphology and has been optimised for even higher capacities, i.e up to 3600 mAh/g.

Nexeon has designed its technology for easy adoption in existing Li-ion battery production lines. The graphite currently used can simply be replaced with Nexeon materials and used in combination with conventional polymer binders and current collectors as part of the standard battery manufacturing process. In this way, Nexeon technology truly offers a ‘drop-in’ approach.

http://www.nexeon.co.uk/news/confidence-in-silicon-anodes-further-strengthened/
Nexeon has achieved an important milestone in its development of silicon-based anodes for next generation lithium ion (Li-ion) batteries. Cells containing its silicon anode material have successfully completed 500 full charge/discharge cycles without significant fade being observed. The silicon anode material was cycled at a capacity of 1200mAh/g, around four times the capacity achievable using a conventional carbon-based anode technology.

Nexeon produced the cells at its research and development facility using its first generation silicon material. The 500 cycles performance level is regarded by the battery industry as an important performance measure, and is considerably higher than the 300 or so full cycles typically considered necessary for consumer applications such as mobile phones and laptop computers.

In addition to providing higher capacity cells, the superior nature of silicon as an efficient anode material allows less material to be used. This has economic benefits, but can also be important where weight is critical, for example in electric vehicle applications.

“We were confident that we would reach this level of performance, but it still gives our technical team a tremendous boost actually to achieve 500 cycles“, says Dr Scott Brown, CEO of Nexeon. “In fact the test cells continue to clock up more cycles, and this strongly vindicates our belief in the potential of our silicon anodes to provide increased energy capacity while cutting costs and improving battery safety.”

Proving the durability and robustness of silicon anodes is an important first step in making this technology available to battery manufacturers. A future step involves reproducing the results in different cell types, and then optimising the battery configuration to take full advantage of the higher performance silicon anode.
 
Hi,

http://evobsession.com/vw-buys-battery-startup-aim-triple-electric-vehicle-range/
VW Investing In Battery Startup With Aim To Triple Electric Vehicle Range

Volkswagen (VW) has bought a chunk of battery startup QuantumScape Corp, and those close to the deal say that the aim is an electric vehicle battery with 3 times the range (presumably, for the same cost).

QuantumScape Corp

Talk is bold in the battery startup space, and numerous startups (as well as large companies) have been aiming for big improvements in range/$ for years. So, I’m not jumping with joy yet. However, it’s yet another startup with big aspirations and investment from a large auto manufacturer, which I think is only a good sign.

“VW is considering using the energy-storage technology, which is fireproof, for vehicles from the namesake brand as well as Porsche and Audi, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the plans are private,” Bloomberg writes. “Tests to show the system is viable for cars are due to be completed in mid-2015, they said. The VW of America unit bought a 5 percent holding and has options to raise the stake, one of the people said.”

Who is letting the cat out of the bag, and is this information reliable or fluff? We’ll have to wait to find out about the latter, and who knows about the former?

Reportedly, Tesla Motors has batteries using Panasonic cells that out-compete anyone else in the field by a wide margin, and the aim of the Gigafactory is to bring costs down 30% more by 2017, but there’s always the possibility that someone will leap ahead. As the second-largest automaker in the world, that could certainly be Volkswagen.

Notably, Dr Heinz-Jakob Neusser, Volkswagen’s head of powertrain development, recently said that affordable electric cars with 300+ miles of range aren’t very far off. “I see great potential in this new technology, possibly boosting the range to as much as 700 kilometers (430 miles),” VW Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn said at Stanford University in California in early November. With these statements in mind, I think the claims related to QuantumScape Corp seem a little more believable.

Interestingly, QuantumScape Corp’s batteries are solid-state batteries. I think pretty much everybody in this battery arena agrees that solid-state batteries will eventually replace the batteries in use now, but I think every comment I’ve seen is that they are approximately a decade or more out from commercial production. Perhaps QuantumScape Corp knows something most others don’t.

Bloomberg adds: “QuantumScape, founded in 2010 by former Stanford University researchers, has 12 job openings, according to a LinkedIn profile for the company. In the job listings, QuantumScape says it’s ‘working on a fundamental disruption in the field of energy storage.’ ”
 
Hi,

VW Investing In Battery Startup With Aim To Triple Electric Vehicle Range

Volkswagen (VW) has bought a chunk of battery startup QuantumScape Corp, and those close to the deal say that the aim is an electric vehicle battery with 3 times the range (presumably, for the same cost).

“VW is considering using the energy-storage technology, which is fireproof, for vehicles from the namesake brand as well as Porsche and Audi, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the plans are private,” Bloomberg writes. “Tests to show the system is viable for cars are due to be completed in mid-2015, they said. The VW of America unit bought a 5 percent holding and has options to raise the stake, one of the people said.”
VW is hedging their bets to some degree, but still since they don't throw away money I am sure they did pretty thorough due diligence.

Notably, Dr Heinz-Jakob Neusser, Volkswagen’s head of powertrain development, recently said that affordable electric cars with 300+ miles of range aren’t very far off. “I see great potential in this new technology, possibly boosting the range to as much as 700 kilometers (430 miles),” VW Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn said at Stanford University in California in early November. With these statements in mind, I think the claims related to QuantumScape Corp seem a little more believable.
I am not sure if those statements refer to QuantumScape or not, but if they don't, and they still invested in QuantumScape that would probably mean that they think QuantumScape's technology is even better.
 
Quote from ebatterytech.com:

New Posterior Vanadium Strontium Lithium 40x Battery Density Breakthrough:

Researchers have discovered a novel method for battery charging using a never tried before carbon-vanadiaum-silver polymer:

Rather than drawing electricity from the wall the carbon-vanadium-silver battery can plug straight into your bottom using comfortable rod coated with a differential covalent endothermic coating that draws energy straight from your body.

Dr Chuniz Sparkipartan, the lead researcher on the team, sais <<the vanadium silver element parks neatly in the back passage to achieve convenient and fast charging due to an unexplained endothermic reaction that harnesses vanadium-strontium pair bonding of free carbon radicals, The only issue with the technology that sometimes freezes to sub zero temperatures, so in the present version, the user has to be take out the rod in time before it gets wedged inside. We are trying to find a way to balance the current so that a user can keep the rod in place for the entire duration of his car journey>>
 
Interesting. A chemistry with an endothermic charging reaction? I wonder what the charging efficiency is...
 
Re kevlar (as lithium battery packaging), on ES:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=66511

And per Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/markets/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201501272011KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_21804_8259-1

In part:
"It was not immediately clear whether the company, which is licensing technology from U-M, needs to secure venture capital or other outside investment to fund its expansion."

"Elegus said that 30 potential clients have requested samples of its technology, which aims to make advanced batteries safer."

Be nice to source those "30 clients".
 
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