Toronto Electric Riders Association

Lock

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First meeting yesterday...

Gotta ask, are there *any* other Clubs out there for ebikers?

We started out as a free online forum for Toronto ebikers launched Jun 6, 2009. It took 12mo. for the first 100 ebikers to sign on, ten months for the next 200, then only ten weeks for the next 100 as we hit 300 just a week or so ago. The forum was named the Toronto Ebike Riders Group, but we changed the name to Toronto Electric Riders Association (TERA) `cause we want to be open to eMopeds and eMotorbikes too...

Also Electric Riders just sounds cool :D

http://www.ebikeriders.com/

This is *supposed* to be for fun but partly we need to organize to beat down the ebike haters that keep showing up at City hall.

One nice thing, we're starting to see the local ebike trade offering support with discount deals for Members...

10Ck

ps... there is already a "TERA.ca" out there but we want to be friends with them too:
http://tera.ca/
 
Would you happen to know where I could pick up an ebike kit locally in the GTA area. I was hoping I could find a crystalyte, 9 continent, or mac type motor kit. Not much good riding weather left here and I'd prefer not to order online and wait for shipping another week plus. The only place I know of so far is Golden Motor but I've read their hubs are noisy and the stock controllers are limited to 15 amps which is crap. I also don't want a bionx way too expensive for me.
 
Local pickings are slim... but a couple:
http://www.green-cruiser.com/lithium-battery-ebike-conversion-kit-16-24-26-wheel.html
http://www.daymak.com/bikes-toronto/erin/ebikeinabox/shop.html
http://baycyclesports.com/about/electric-kits-pg72.htm

I don't know anything about these kits. GM.ca could probably arrange a try before you buy.

Lock
 
Hey thanks for that. Baycycle sports apparently carries Crystalytes. The other ones are not so appealing since they all seem to be underwhelming geared motors.
 
Yer welcome. I have read good things about Bay Cycle eg from October last year:
http://www.ebikeriders.com/messages/boards/thread/8892453/0#37958221
I'm still continuing my research for a traditional bike style ebike and spent some time at Bay Cycle in Pickering yesterday, and wanted to relay my experience there. Spoke for quite a while with John, who was very knowledgeable and passionate about ebikes. I took a ride on a Slipstream, he answered all my questions about conversion kits and in fact gave me a tour of his ebike workshop area. He's got quite the setup, with decent bench space, parts everywhere, five or six converted bikes sitting there, and a couple (not ones built from their kits) in for repair (one a scooter-style).

He spoke about how they have been testing many different motors, controllers and batteries. I saw the battery testing setup in action, a bench with a charger and a large load, going through charge-discharge cycles with battery stats recorded once a minute. He told me he is hoping to set up some new space dedicated to ebike retail and a bigger ebike workspace. They also have a partnership with Power In Motion out of Calgary for coverage of North America between them, which I also found online.

Bottom line, it was a very positive experience for me, and clearly they are serious about ebikes (at least traditional bike-style ones; I don't know if scooter-style is in their future, it didn't come up).

By way of disclosure, I have no connection to Bay Cycle (or Power in Motion) at all; I'm just grateful for the time John spent with me and thought my experience might be useful info for others in the eastern GTA.
 
Hi Lock,

I'm a Toronto Star reporter writing about e-bikes and a few bylaw changes that could make them illegal on bike paths. I would love to get some comment from you/your organization.

The story is going into tomorrow's (Sept. 6's) paper so I would appreciate hearing back from you as soon as possible. My number is 416-869-4919 and my email is gerchua@thestar.ca.

Thanks,

Gloria
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1050132


Gloria Er-Chua Staff Reporter

A sign that went up quietly last week prohibits electric bikes from using the Martin Goodman Trail.

Perched at the entrance near Bathurst St. and Queens Quay W., the sign is raising the ire of electric bike (or e-bike) users.

The ban is “inconsistent” with the shift to greener ways of travel, said Lock Hughes, treasurer of the Toronto Electric Riders Association, which represents users of electric two-wheelers.

He added that the ban on “motor power assisted bikes” is vague and can refer to anything from an e-bike to a scooter or Segway, which are all different sizes and speeds. E-bikes generally resemble conventional bicycles but with a small motor.

A city bylaw restricts the use of bike paths to bicycles, defined as vehicles operating solely on “muscular power,” Lukasz Pawlowski of Transportation Services said, adding staff are in discussions to rework the term.

“Right now, the definition of a bike is very strict so there’s no exceptions made for a bike like an e-bike,” he said.

When the bylaw came into place several years ago, people weren’t using electric two-wheelers, Pawlowski said. “It requires a more nuanced approach.”

Provincially, e-bikes are governed by the same rules as conventional bicycles. However, cities can pass bylaws limiting their use on bike paths and trails under their jurisdiction.

On Tuesday, a dozen cyclists rode past the Martin Goodman Trail sign without noticing it. They all said they’ve seen e-bikes and other motorized vehicles on the trail.

Andrew Le, who takes the trail about four times a week, said he’s happy with the ban. He’s had a few “close calls” with e-bikes.

“They’re faster so there’s just more weaving through traffic,” he said. “If you get hit by one, it’s no fun.”

Cameron Fitzgerald has “no problem” with e-bikes, which he has trouble distinguishing from conventional bikes.

For him, the city should focus on regulating bigger vehicles, like scooters, which can move at higher speeds.

“They look like a motorcycle to me,” he said. “They just don’t fit on the trail.”

Stephen Oldfield said he’s seen plenty of unsafe bicycle operation, but doesn’t want to target one group of trail users.

“The problem’s with the operator, not the vehicle.”
 
Thanks sk8!

My post on the Toronto Electric Riders Association forum site:
http://www.ebikeriders.com/messages/boards/thread/15582492/0#53746962
TOO MUCH EXCITEMENT! TOO MUCH EXCITEMENT!

Man I HATE running around... :x

Saw mgs at 11:00am today to contact the AM740 "Zoomer Radio" Toronto radio station. I emailed`em to say I would call them in ten minutes... Hot footed to the local coffee shop to borrow a yell phone (I haven't had a voice phone in 20 years! ...although I have been told I Give Good Phone :D ) and gave them a call... So at 20 minutes after 11:00am I agree to standby during a 30 minute on-air discussion starting at 11:30 but would I get on a land line for better sound quality? So then ran across the street to an internet cafe and the staff person there agreed to accept $20 to let me use their land line for 30mins. Phoned Zoomer Radio with the number for the internet cafe and they called me right back at 11:29am and we were on-air just like that. Phew!

From the Zoomer Radio "About" page:
http://zoomerradio.ca/about/]http://zoomerradio.ca/about/
AM740 is Toronto’s ‘Best of the Best’ station. With 50,000 watts of clear-channel broadcasting power, AM740 has a huge coverage area, extending throughout southern Ontario, from Windsor to Kingston, north to Parry Sound, and south deep into the United States.

AM740 listeners can conveniently take the station with them wherever they’re traveling within this large area. During evening and overnight hours, AM740 can be heard at far greater distances, extending east to New York City, south toward Washington DC, and west to Chicago.

AM740 launched January 8th, 2001, and is formally named CFZM-AM.

With access to the largest active music library in Toronto radio, AM740 features a wide range of specialty programming, from big bands and 50s crooners, to the early rock n’ rollers, folk singers, country cross-over artists, and many of today’s top artists specializing in ‘retro-sounds’.

AM740 is much more than a well-stocked juke-box though. With newscasts every half-hour weekday mornings, and hourly through the day, information flows consistently with news, sports, traffic, weather and plenty of time-checks too. Hourly ‘features’ focus on travel, gardening, finances and car-care. AM740 on-air personalities are friendly, cheerful companions who help you through your day.

Tune us in anytime, just about anywhere, for the Best of the Best – AM740!

Did you know that AM740 has a half-million listeners just like you?

Here’s a snapshot of some little known facts that AM740 radio listeners and advertisers alike have taken advantage of:

AM740 has the largest broadcast footprint in Canada, and with the maximum allowed power of 50,000 watts, can be heard from Kingston to Windsor and north to Parry Sound during the daytime.

AM740 can be heard after sunset “from Maine to Minnesota, and the Carolinas to Thunder Bay”, with active listeners in places like New York City, Washington D.C., Chicago, as well as towns and cities all over Ontario.

Why have advertisers chosen AM740?

AM740 is known to be one of the most cost effective radio stations for advertising in Toronto and the surrounding area delivering results to our advertisers.

AM740 reaches a half-million listeners with a focus on the 45+ age group, along with thousands more in the United States. Our advertisers like the benefit of reaching this group who will spend more money on goods and services than other age groups and will steadily increase over the next 20 years.

AM740 has the most satisfied listeners of any radio station in Toronto based on posting the longest time-spent-listening for over 7 consecutive years!

AM740 listeners are more likely to own a cottage, be mortgage free, travel internationally, attend theatre/live concerts, and participate in outdoor activities like golf and gardening, as compared to the average adult consumer.

Advertising sponsorships are available for the following unique daily radio features:
Discover Ontario, the AM740 Business Report, Traffic Reports, plus Weather and News sponsorships.

(Maybe TERA folks already know this stuff about the "Zoomer" radio station but I haven't had a radio (or TV) for decades. I am really only an online/print media kinda guy...) [:)]



Turned out it was an open mouth program hosted by a fellow named Dale Goldhawk and his daily show is called "Goldhawk Fights Back":
http://zoomerradio.ca/blog/hosts/dale-goldhawk/
Fighting for the rights of Canadian consumers, multiple awards winner Dale Goldhawk has earned Canadas trust by his four decades of work exposing fraud and greed in the marketplace.

A journalist, author, and broadcaster, Dale has had shows on CBC Television, CBC Radio, Global Television, and the CTV Television Network. Dale wrote for the Toronto Telegram and other newspapers, the author of Getting What You Deserve, detailing many of his adventures in pursuit of conmen and now on the International Board of Directors for Alzheimer’s Society, representing Canada

Among his many accolades, Dale is the winner of the 2006 Canadian Cable Television Association Galaxy Award for on air performance and the 2005 Association of Certified Fraud Examiners of Canada Lifetime Achievement Award.

GOLDHAWK FIGHTS BACK for Zoomers on The New AM 740 as he provides useful information to avoid the dirty tricks directed often at older people.

Anyway, Dale was pretty good about letting me rattle on about my usual BLAH BLAH BLAH ebike stuff :D then the 2nd half approx. of the show was several folks calling in, (mostly supportive of ebikes!)

Turns out Zoomer Radio podcasts the Goldhawk show!

And his shows from yesterday and prior are available here:
http://zoomerradio.ca/dale-goldhawk/

So maybe tomorrow TERA folks can listen to todaze show and tell me how you like? What did I miss? What can TERA say better/different the next time?

Funny thing was, the internet cafe "land line" phone had a wireless handset, and immediately after Goldhawk "hung up" on me, and I was left talking with the shows producer(?) Mary the battery in the handset died! Anyway, Mary asked me to keep them informed if/when I get a ticket for a by-law infraction and am headed to court. :twisted:

Lock

With 50,000 watts ebikers can climb mountains :twisted:
 
sk8norcal said:
http://www.nugget.ca/Community/NewsDisplay.aspx?c=191361
Yah. Thanks sk8... saw that. Report submitted by the Chief Admin Officer for North Bay to NB city council appended to their Sept.6 meeting agenda, here:
http://www.cityofnorthbay.ca/cityhall/council/booklet/2011/09-06-2011.pdf
(It starts on page 46 of this 65 page PDF file.)

Got a nice email from this CAO, who said in part:
I'm somewhat embarrassed to even call it a report. The intended purpose was to get something before City Council in order for them to be able to procedurally speak to the issue. Several Councillors and staff were receiving enquiries as to how power assisted Bicycles were to be treated. I have appended, to the report, a Frequently Asked Questions document provided by the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

At this point in time Council has not taken any position and staff has been directed to provide more fulsome information.

We are currently treating them as we would any conventional bicycle as is legislated under the Highway Traffic Act.

I have heard various pro's and cons such as they are a reasonably inexpensive means of transportation that help individuals with accessibility challenges. They are also represented as an environmentally friendly way to get around. On the negative side we have had people complain that they do not provide the health benefit of riding a conventional bike at a time when obesity amongst Canadians is at an all time high. They have also been criticized for being heavier than a conventional bike and therefore potentially dangerous in the event of a crash with other cyclist, pedestrians etc.

The only area that seems controversial at this time is the use of power assisted bikes on recreational trails. We are getting some complaints but it may be that they are somewhat unique and people are simply not yet used to them.

I would very much welcome your thoughts.

...so I'll be writing him back.

Lock
 
You did OK in the interview but seemed to let them get away with painting all ebikes as wide scooter style bikes. You did mention there were all kinds of bike but need to go into that MUCH more in future nterviews. You might want to give an example of the lightest ebike out there as a counter to the weight issue, and remember to mention ebikes will kick in to slow the bikes down at 40ish km/hr.

I put a comment up at
http://zoomerradio.ca/dale-goldhawk/2011/09/07/lock-hughes/ but seems to have been removed or they don't display them publicly.
 
http://www.windsorstar.com/travel/Ebikes+face+wrath+motorists/5362672/story.html

windsor, ontario


Ebikes face wrath of motorists
Electric scooters called 'way of future'

Brenda Balkwill says she is constantly heckled while riding her electric bike.

But she said she's not surprised.

"I watch a lot of people that have them ride where they're not supposed to," the 45-yearold said. "Those people are giving us a bad name."

Balkwill has had her ebike for a little over a year. Now, she said, she couldn't live without it.

She commutes to work and does her grocery shopping at 32 kilometres per hour - the legal ebike speed limit.

Two of her friends have since bought ebikes, but she finds most people have a negative attitude toward them.

"I wish people would just give us a chance," she said. "We're trying to help the economy and environment."

more.....
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/15/no-pedals-get-out-of-my-bike-lane/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/19/stop-hating-and-other-reactions-to-column-on-electric-bicycles/

No pedals? Get out of my bike lane

I’m pedalling to work in the bike lane eastbound on College Street (look it up: It’s a lane for bicycles) when, with no notice or warning, a woman on a red electric bike that looks more like a Vespa sneaks up silently and sweeps past on my right, pushing me out from the curb.

Normal etiquette for cyclists: To pass a bicycle, you ring your bell politely to let them know you are approaching on their left.

To be blindsided by so-called e-bikes is becoming more common on Toronto streets and bikeways. A quick survey of friends and colleagues elicits a list of recently observed infractions: riders blowing through stop signs; riding on sidewalks and across crosswalks; weaving into traffic like a motorcycle only to swerve back into the bike lane when the mood strikes.

Nobody seems to know where they might go next.

Yet you can see why owners of these electric scooters take liberties: Ontario, when it approved e-bikes two years ago, ruled that, “electric bikes are permanently allowed on roads and highways where conventional bicycles are currently permitted.”

The caveat is that they must have pedals — and they do, behind the footrests, like the fins that remained on early tetrapods after they crawled out of the sea and became land animals: useless appendages.

Nevertheless, sales soon exploded. A billboard in the window of EMMO, an electric bike retailer on Spadina Avenue in Chinatown, boasts: “No license. No insurance. Free parking. No gas. No pollution. Go green.”

Around the corner on College Street, Green Choice Moto offers a dozen different electric scooter models, all made in China. Green Choice Moto sounds like a motorcycle store, and the scooters inside — red ones, black ones — look like motor scooters. They have seats for two, and rear footrests for passengers. The owner can remove the battery pack, a long, heavy black box in a compartment under the seat, to charge it indoors overnight, plugging it into a regular electric socket.

Bakr Abudan, an owner of Green Choice Motos, begs me to respect his merchandise.

“It depends on who rides the scooter,” he argues. “I ride a scooter and I never had a problem with a bike or with a car. It’s a kind of transportation. It’s an alternative to me paying $300 a month for insurance and $400 a month for gasoline. Why should I hate electric scooters because I see people riding and not respecting the road? I should hate the person who rides it wrong.” The future is electric, he adds, with an estimated 100 million electric scooters in China.

He let me test a wine-red TDR 815 scooter, with a 500-watt motor and 48-volt/12-amp battery, which runs about 55 kilometres between charges. He sells this scooter for $899, with a one-year warranty. Charging it overnight costs 8¢, he says. It has surprising pep.

Andrea Garcia at the Toronto Cyclists Union makes a distinction between “electric-power-assisted bikes,” which she supports, and “larger electric scooters.”

“We don’t believe larger electric scooters should be able to use infrastructure intended for active transportation because their speed and size and weight make them a hazard for others,” she says.

The City of Toronto agrees: Recently a new sign appeared at Queens Quay West and Stadium Road, where the Martin Goodman Trail swoops west around the second Tip Top condo tower: “Toronto Bylaws #886 and #608: No Motor Power Assisted Bikes Allowed,” with a stencil of a bike with a red circle and a line through it.

James Dan, manager of waterfront parks, put up that sign. His staff has also banned e-bikes from Toronto Islands, noting, “We won’t even let them on the ferry.” He explains, “People riding electric scooters tend to not have the same culture of respect as people on pedal bikes.”

His staff has installed 12 “No Motor Power Assisted Bikes Allowed” signs on the Martin Goodman trail, with more to come, after a number of complaints about the e-bikes.

“There is no motor-assisted vehicle allowed on any park pathway,” he says. “It’s a bit of a grey area on the bike paths that are on roads.”

Too true. Daniel Egan, manager of cycling infrastructure for the City of Toronto, says city bylaws restrict on-street bike lanes to bicycles only, with a bike defined as “a muscle-powered vehicle.”

Still, he is unaware of any enforcement to keep e-bikes out of bike lanes, and adds, “We have had a lot of discussion, but no clear consensus on what the city’s position should be on that.”

In the absence of an official position, I offer this one for consideration: Pedal a bicycle or go slug it out in traffic with cars.

It may all be a passing fad. Cyclists are cool because they get fit through exercise, and motorcycles and even Vespas convey sex appeal.

But you’ll never get a girl with an e-bike.

dc_electricbike02.jpg
 
Sigh... Tks sk8... yah, saw that. The piece was actually posted twice, first time headed up with this graphic:
5554552.bin



You posted the link to his 2nd/followup piece, but it starts off:
‘Stop hating,’ and other reactions to column on electric bicycles
Peter Kuitenbrouwer
Oct 19, 2011

So, as it turns out, I am not alone in my contempt for e-bikes, or electric bicycles, and how they clog bike lanes in Toronto and then, when it suits them, act like motorcycles.

In response to my column in Saturday’s newspaper, I have in the past few days received a barrage of letters on the topic from cyclists and motorists as frustrated as I am … but also a bunch of rants from e-bike riders whom I have offended, especially with my throw-away line that, “You’ll never get a girl on an e-bike.”

What the twit didn't mention were the 98 online [C]omments to his original story, the most "Liked" being:
melan

"...riders blowing through stop signs; riding on sidewalks and across crosswalks; weaving into traffic like a motorcycle only to swerve back into the bike lane when the mood strikes."

Sounds like a true bicyclist to me.

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JFJ

Exactly my thoughts. The nerve of them, others on two wheels encroaching on the territory of sanctimoneous, narcissistic, pedal cyclists.

in reply to melan
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Ibindare

"...tend to not have the same culture of respect as people on pedal bikes."
Gotta be the most hilariously hypocritical line ever written! From experience, I consider the words "respect" and "people on pedal bikes" to be mutually exclusive.

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cordite10

What's happening here is that cyclists are positioning themselves as an elite segment of society who demand special privileges and are to be catered to. And being the hypocrites that they are, they now want to deny electric bicycles access to their turf just as they falsely imagined that cars drivers denied them access to the roads. In fact, their only problem with the roads is that they had to keep learning repeatedly that with a bicycle, they couldn't quite attain the road-hog position that their over-inflated egos said they're entitled to.

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Basically many online National Post readers "Liked" comments that ridiculed quotes from city staff and the Toronto Cyclists Union as laughable and hypocritical.

Lock
 
A re-write of the original story:


Pedals Only? Get out of my ebike lane

Peter Kuitenbrouwer, National Post · Oct. 15, 2011
Last Updated: Oct. 15, 2011 4:07 AM ET

I'm riding to work in the bike lane eastbound on College Street (look it up: it's a lane for ebikes) when, with no notice or warning, a woman on a red bike sneaks up silently and sweeps past on my right, pushing me out from the curb.

Normal etiquette for cyclists: to pass a bicycle, you ring your bell politely to let them know you are approaching on their left.

To be blindsided by bikes is becoming more common on Toronto streets and bikeways. A quick survey of friends and colleagues elicits a list of recently observed infractions: riders blowing through stop signs; riding on sidewalks and across crosswalks; weaving into traffic only to swerve back into the bike lane when the mood strikes.

Nobody seems to know where they might go next.

Yet you can see why owners of these bikes take liberties: Ontario, when it approved bikes years ago, ruled that, "bikes are permanently allowed on roads and highways where conventional vehicles are currently permitted."

Sales soon exploded. A billboard in the window of a bike retailer on Spadina Avenue in Chinatown, boasts: "No license. No insurance. Free parking. No gas. No pollution. Go green."

Bakr Abudan, an owner of a bike shop, begs me to respect his merchandise.

"It depends on who rides the bike," he argues. "I ride a bike and I never had a problem with an ebike or with a car. It's a kind of transportation. It's an alternative to me paying $300 a month for insurance and $400 a month for gasoline. Why should I hate ebikes because I see people riding and not respecting the road? I should hate the person who rides it wrong." The future is ebikes, he admits, with an estimated 100-million ebikes in China.

He let me test a bike. He sells this bike for $899, with a one-year warranty. It has surprising pep.

Andrea Garcia at the Toronto E-Bikers Union makes a distinction between "bikes," which she supports, and "larger bikes" such as bikes with trailers, cargo bikes and tandem bikes.

"We don't believe larger pedal only bikes should be able to use infrastructure intended for ebikes because their speed and size and weight make them a hazard for others," she says.

The City of Toronto agrees: Recently a new sign appeared at Queens Quay West and Stadium Road, where the Martin Goodman Trail swoops west around the second Tip Top condo tower: "Toronto Bylaws #886 and #608: No Pedal-Only Bikes Allowed," with a stencil of a bike with a red circle and a line through it.

James Dan, manager of waterfront parks, put up that sign. His staff has also banned bikes from Toronto Islands, noting, "We won't even let them on the ferry." He explains, "People riding bikes tend to not have the same culture of respect as people on ebikes."

His staff has installed 12 "No Pedal-Only Bikes Allowed" signs on the Martin Goodman trail, with more to come, after a number of complaints about the bikes.

"There is no pedal-only vehicle allowed on any park pathway," he says. "It's a bit of a grey area on the bike paths that are on roads."

Too true. Daniel Egan, manager of cycling infrastructure for the City of Toronto, says city bylaws restrict onstreet ebike lanes to ebikes only, with a bike defined as "a muscle-powered vehicle."

Still, he is unaware of any enforcement to keep bikes out of ebike lanes, and adds, "We have had a lot of discussion, but no clear consensus on what the city's position should be on that."

In the absence of an official position, I offer this one for consideration: Get an ebike or go slug it out in traffic with cars.

The Victorian pedal bike may be a passing fad. Cyclists are cool because they get fit through exercise, but pedaling in city traffic is about the dumbest (most dangerous) form of exercise possible.

And you'll never get a girl with a pedal-only bike.

pkuitenbrouwer@nationalpost.com
 
Lessss said:
Notice the subtle imagery of the fat person on the electric bike only?

Hehe... Yes, and cleaned up in the "re-write" version :lol:

LocK
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/29/terence-corcoran-please-don%E2%80%99t-let-e-bikes-be-driven-off-our-roads/
http://www.windsorstar.com/travel/address+ebike+safety/5584941/story.html


http://www.windsorstar.com/Generosity+puts+ebiker+back+road/5560044/story.html
http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/bike+theft+leaves+heartbroken/5547020/story.html
 
http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=196096

In October 2012 e-bike riders petitioned the city to allow them to legally use bike lanes. After over a year of study, city staff have determined that they should.

The report makes a distinction between different types of electric bikes: "e-scooters," which have pedals but can be wholly powered by electric motor, and "pedelecs," which closely resemble bicycles but have a small motor to assist pedalling.

Under the proposed new rules electric scooters would be allowed in painted bike lanes, but they would be barred from physically separated bike lanes and multi-use trails, on penalty of a $150 fine. Pedelecs would be permitted anywhere that bicycles go.

The recommendations are consistent with rules already in place in Ottawa and Mississauga.

scooterpedelec_large.jpg
 
Which of the two vehicles pictured is easier to pedal, I wonder? Which one easier to mod? Which one accelerates and goes up hills using less energy? Which might be easier to lift up some stairs, or over a curb, etc. Some (others) might rudely suggest the TERA organization might be infected with some folks that promote cheaply made, poorly designed and built cheezy-style "scooter" electric bicycles.
L
PS. Sorry, meant to say Chinese style.
 
I live in South Etobicoke, right by the lake, and Martin Goodman Trail was the fastest route downtown on a bike.
Now that Im riding ebike and able to keep up with traffic, I'm taking the Queensway, with nice, and almost always empty, bike lane.
Lock, I went to a few TERA meetings in the summer, including Bluffs hill climb.
 
Dang LSBW! I just moved to Carbeeria, east in Toronto, but I'm jealous as heck. (Although I'm sorta "right by the lake", on Kingston Rd east of something-Cliffside Road wattEVer), but recently "crossed the line", from the City (including Parkdale and the Toronto Islands, where I have lived in both places) to Scarborough. But for a few years I crewed for one of the Commodores at the Mimico Cruising Club. I recently TTC'ed out to the Etobicoke YC, to catch up old chums from the old Toronto Catamaran Club where I was their treasurer for many years (so yeah, a rebel on the water as well as on the hard, aka on "land").

My current project (one of them) involves fixing up an old sorta falling over detached wooden car garage. In conjunction w/the 2nd Annual (? hopefully) International Ebike Uphill Race Challenge (same Carbeerian Bluffs locale, sorta just down the road from my new current abode) on next Saturday July 12, I've been inviting some local notables (eg former player on Canadas Nat Olympic Womens Basketball team and proud new ebike owner, the Exec Dir for an area performance troupe - yes, the dreaded "Artsy Fartsy", etc) to a costume party on the back yard (lawn bits plus garage and "laneway" - rather long driveway, serving four houses in a row, but all unused, as far as I can see). All Toronto area (and global/interplanet) ebikers (including you plus guest) are welcome to come/hangout too. Wouldn't put it past ya to show up clutching that GIEBR trophy (or "BURP" for short).

Officially, the daze are getting longer now.

TTYL
Yer partner in crime and merry mirth
L
 
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