Ultra Motor Light Electric Vehicle

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The A2B is a new light electric vehicle from British startup Ultra Motor specifically geared for urban transport. It is set to go on sale in the U.S. this summer and in Europe later this year. Priced at $2,200 and available through specialty retailers, it runs at speeds up to 32 km per hour (20 mph) and goes up to 70 km (43.5 miles) on a single charge. It comes with a tissue-box-sized removable lithium ion battery that can be charged in a normal electric outlet, just like a mobile phone. Sturdier than a bicycle but lighter than a motorscooter, it weighs just 32 kg (70.5 lbs.). Options include a "dashboard" with a charge indicator and saddlebags to store laptops and other personal effects
 

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Hubba... that B a sexy ride.

:D
 
Visions of Volocci!
or perhaps someone's Norco Chaos if you gave it a tripple clamp fork?
Anyone know if Mike Fritz was ever part of the Volocci design team?
Maybe like Draper he simply was ahm, 'inspired' by Volocci.
Price is most excellent, tho 500W is a little on the low side it's actually higher than I would have expected considering it's from the UK.
 
Neat design, but unfortunately it will need a fair bit of extra stuff adding before it can be used in the UK. It's speed takes it outside the legal definition of an " Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle" as defined in UK and EU law, which makes it a moped. As a moped it needs Type Approval, registration, number plate etc, plus insurance and an approved crash helmet.

It's be nice to see if they can add the necessary stuff to make it a legal moped and perhaps increase the speed up to the moped limit of 30mph. I reckon there is a market for a good looking electric moped with the right performance at a reasonable price, especially if it's of good quality.

Jeremy
 
Hi Jerry,

nice find, a bit like the IKOO knoxie posted the other day but with pedals :)
range must be an overestimate?
either way it would be easier to pass as an ebike with the pedals and looks a nice clean design again.
If it's top speed is 20 and the uk law is 15mph - would there be any problem with fitting a CA and limiting the top speed digitally ?
i guess what im asking is if it's possible to limit speed with CA wouldn't any ev with pedals qualify as "legal" ?
its weird - if you think about it in the UK the fastest legal speed for a car is 70mph right? but most cars can do 100mph no sweat? i dont see anyone saying that we should limit ALL cars to 70mph? or a certain bhp?
I think we all know the reasons for making us jump through hoops to use alternative transport - so that we dont!!!!:twisted:


cheers


D
 
Love the frame. That is excactly what I was describing in another thread, talking about how frames should be so we can carry a battery and have full suspension. Not as good as a huge space above the pedals, but better than a bolt on rack by a longshot. Saw a frame like that in wallmart but it's for kids to pretend its a motorcycle with a 20" wheel. I want one in 26"
 
So, pack and controller(?) and hub motor all stuffed in the back? Wouldn't this vehicle lift it's front wheel very easily, especially going up hills? Rider with backpack?

And, it doesn't fold?


"...specifically geared for urban transport."

Yah? If you like to imagine getting in a little off-roading on the way to work?


Is this thing just styled to appeal, or is this aggressive-looking(?) design really what everyone thinks is *the* last word in "urban transport"?

Just curious, as many of the (pedal) bikes around me these daze are already smaller than this one, and fold smaller still.
tks
lock
ps... still, a sweet looking ride :mrgreen:
 
Jeremy Harris said:
It's speed takes it outside the legal definition of an " Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle" as defined in UK and EU law, which makes it a moped. As a moped it needs Type Approval, registration, number plate etc, plus insurance and an approved crash helmet.....

Jeremy

I suspect they are telling two tales, according to whom they speak. When the authorities are listening it does 15 mph and then only if the rider pedals furiously. When customers are around, it can go up to 20 mph with no sweat.

For the range, though, it works the other way round: you tell the customer the figure you get at 15 mph while pedalling furiously.

Nick
 
Heres the story from Business Weekly:

Revolutionizing Urban Transport
British startup Ultra Motor is bringing its two-wheel light electric vehicle to the U.S. With cities crowded and oil prices high, the time is right
Back in the Cold War 1970s, a Russian radio transmission specialist stationed in East Germany dreamed up a new, more efficient electric motor that could produce 35% more torque for the same amount of power. Vasily Shkondin's idea could have remained in obscurity behind the Iron Curtain, but today it's the centerpiece of a bold bid to reshape urban transport.

It has taken decades of refinement, millions in venture capital, and the audacious vision of a 31-year-old U.S. chief executive, but Shkondin's motor is going global. A six-year-old British startup called Ultra Motor is using the patented Shkondin design to power a range of affordable, nonpolluting electric scooters known as "light electric vehicles," or LEVs.

The company already has sold more than 25,000 units in India, racking up $20 million in revenues during its first full year of operations. Now, Ultra Motor is set to roll out a more luxurious version in the U.S. this summer, followed by European models later in the year.

The Dawn of the Personal Mobility Vehicle
Ultra Motor may be hitting a sweet spot. All over the world, concerns over pollution, traffic congestion, and energy costs are prompting consumers, companies, and governments to embrace cleaner, cheaper, and smaller vehicles, including electric or hybrid-electric cars and two-wheeled electric vehicles.

"2007 is when the world officially recognized that the adverse affects of climate change are real and here to stay," says Ultra Motor's globe-trotting Chief Executive Officer, Joe Bowman, who is based in Moscow. That awareness—coupled with soaring gas prices—has brought about "the dawn of a new personal mobility era," Bowman says, "We are seizing the opportunity."

Ultra Motor is already remarkably global for a small company. Headquartered in St. Edmunds, England, and employing 180 people in eight countries, it does research and development in Shkondin's current home of Pushchino, a former Soviet "secret" city 75 miles south of Moscow that didn't even appear on maps until 1991. A well-known German LEV designer named Norbert Haller handles industrial design. Product development takes place in Taiwan, while the motors are made in China and the vehicles are assembled in India and Taiwan. So far, Ultra Motor has scored $25 million from Russian and European investors and is currently raising a $40 million private equity round.

Finally Filling a Real Need
In India, Ultra Motor has a 50-50 joint venture with the Hero Group, one of the world's largest manufacturers of two-wheeled vehicles. During their first year of operation, the partners opened 165 retail franchise stores across India, with plans to open a total of 700 stores over the next three years. The Ultra Motor models in India, which are marketed locally under the model names Maxi and Velociti, sell for $750 to $900.

To position itself for entry into the U.S. market, Ultra Motor acquired Los Angeles' AECF for an undisclosed sum in September, 2007. AECF was founded by electric-vehicle pioneer Ed Benjamin, and Mike Fritz, the former chief engineer for Lee Iacocca at EV Global Motors, the venture Iacocca formed when he left Chrysler in the mid-1990s.

"Lee Iacocca and many others with good technologies and good vision went at it at the wrong time," says Bowman, noting that oil sold for just $12 a barrel when EV Global was launched in the U.S., making electric vehicles a "nice to have" rather than a necessity. "The primary economic driver of the market has really only come about in the last three years," he says. "So everybody who came before, no matter how good or famous, was going to fail."

A More Efficient Motor
Ultra Motor is betting that with oil now exceeding $100 a barrel, Americans may finally start embracing more eco-friendly forms of transport. For example, New York City Transportation Dept. planners have been consulting with Danish urban designer Jan Gehl on a plan for the city's first-ever physically separated bike lane in Manhattan. Unlike the typical on-street bike lane where cyclists mix with motor vehicle traffic, this new design will create an exclusive path for bicycles—and, Ultra Motors hopes, two-wheel LEVs.

The British company's vehicles are an eco-friendly cross between a bike and a motorcycle. By providing one-third more force than conventional electric motors in similar power ranges, Ultra Motor models can accelerate faster in heavy traffic conditions and climb steeper hills. Another key benefit is that the battery packs are up to 10% more efficient, meaning they need to be recharged less frequently. And the motors use very few components and moving parts, making them cheaper to manufacture and easy to service.

Ultra Motor's products are proving popular in India with commuters looking to offset the adverse effects of gas prices on their disposable incomes. They're also a hit with teenagers under the age of 18 who can't legally ride motorcycles or gas-powered scooters and so must use pedal bikes or take the bus, says Bowman. Ultra Motor figures it can sell about a half-million units in India alone over the next two to three years—and potentially more than five times that number if the Indian government imposes disincentives to buying gas-powered vehicles.

Lithium Ion Batteries for the U.S.
Ultra Motor's U.S. model, known as the A2B, will be quite different from the Indian ones. The biggest change is the battery: Indian models use cheaper but clunkier lead-acid batteries, whereas the A2B will use smaller, lighter, lithium ion batteries. That will allow the battery to be integrated into the frame, making for a sleeker design. The removable battery, about the size of a box of facial tissues, can be charged from a normal electric outlet, just like a mobile phone.

Made of lightweight aluminum and sold through specialty retailers in the U.S., the A2B can run at speeds up to 20 mph and go up to 44 miles on a single charge. It will carry a price tag of $2,200, less than the typical cost of a Vespa scooter but significantly more than the Currie E-Zip Comfort Electric Bike, which sells for just over $300 at Wal-Mart (WMT). Bowman thinks customers will pay a premium for Ultra Motor's lighter, sleeker, longer-range design.

U.S. Market Is More Interesting
Who are these customers? Ultra Motor is targeting a select group of buyers in the U.S.: College students looking for eco-friendly campus transit; urban dwellers who rarely venture out of a 20-mile zone; and suburban commuters who might otherwise ride a bike or drive a car to their local train station.

Why launch in the U.S. before Europe, when the Old World is going green faster? "The U.S. market is more interesting right now because there is significantly less competition and it's more homogenous," Bowman says. "It is a greenfield opportunity." While he concedes Ultra Motor LEVs won't likely be bought by "farmers in Nebraska," Bowman says the company's market research reveals millions of people living in U.S. cities "who have never been exposed to this idea."
 
Hmmmm...........

"35% more torque for the same power" (presumably referring to input electrical power)

Power is simply rotational velocity x torque, so increasing torque by 35% at any given rpm increases output power by 35%.

Existing motors easily make 80% efficiency (power in to power out); some are good for around 90% efficiency.

If a motor is already giving out 80% of its electrical power input as mechanical power, then surely 35% more torque implies that the motor delivers at least 15% more power out than power in?

It's misleading advertising claims like this that undermine the whole electric vehicle movement, in my view. As Nick rightly points out, we already have range and speed claims that are wildly optimistic - this sort of exaggeration is just what will give EVs a poor reputation and delay their wider acceptance amongst less-well informed consumers, in my opinion.

Jeremy
 
At the output shaft you can get 35% more torque but the same horsepower by gearing down. I think its marketing speak for a reduction gear, although I don't see how that applies here.
 
Interesting............ That first link claims that the efficiency of this motor is DOUBLE that of older, existing electric motors used in electric vehicles.

I think they are being extremely selective in their comparison choice, as that claim sort of implies that there are motors in use in EVs at the moment that are less than 50% efficient. Maybe a very old, separately excited, series wound, motor might possibly be as bad as they appear to claim, but if so then I'd guess that it would get pretty hot in use.

The only difference I can see between this new "Ultra Motor" and a conventional brushless motor is in the configuration of the U shaped coil magnetic path. I'm sure this layout will make for a smoother motor, with less cogging, but doubt that it's markedly more efficient than a good conventional BLDC design.

Either way, their specs are definitely questionable, which makes me seriously doubt the other claims they make. Shame, because the bike design is neat and seems well executed.

Jeremy
 
Here's what I emailed Ultramotor with:

Message :
Is th A2B for sale in the UK? If so, how much does it cost? Do I need a moped licence? Can the power be limited to qualify as a bike?,

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And the reply:
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From: Ultra Electric - Contact us [mailto:info@ultramotor.com]
Dear Paul,

Thank you for your interest in Ultra Motor. The A2B will be available in the UK later this year. There will be two different models one of which will qualify as a bike and will not require a license.

I will add you to our newsletter so you can know when and where the product will be available in the UK.

Kind regards,

Joe Bowman
 
Looks like a flavour of Ultra Motor bike will be used for Stuttgart's Pedelec fleet too... Update on Stuttgart project here:
http://www.extraenergy.org/main.php?language=en&category=&subcateg=&id=1886

"June 2, 2008: At Stuttgart’s market square, just in front of the city hall, electric bikes were the center of attention. Here, the ExtraEnergy test track invited visitors of the Cities for Mobility Conference, which took place from June 1-4, 2008, and the interested public to test ride pedelecs and e-bikes. At 1.30 pm, the Mayor of Stuttgart, finally uncovered the mystery behind the white cover: a changing station for pedelecs. Together with the project partners ExtraEnergy, Ultra Motor of UK, Welldone of Taiwan, and Olimpia of Hungary, Mayor Dr. Schuster presented the two-step concept that is supposed to help Stuttgart change from a car into a pedelec city. "

Interesting to see Olimpia mixed up in the Stuttgart effort. Don't see any of their (Gepida/Olimpia) product that looks like the "Ultra Motor bike" though:
http://www.gepida.hu/english/gepida.php?csoport=elektro
tks
Lock
 
Lock said:
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"June 2, 2008: At Stuttgart’s market square, just in front of the city hall, electric bikes were the center of attention. Here, the ExtraEnergy test track invited visitors of the Cities for Mobility Conference, which took place from June 1-4, 2008, and the interested public to test ride pedelecs and e-bikes. At 1.30 pm, the Mayor of Stuttgart, finally uncovered the mystery behind the white cover: a changing station for pedelecs.
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Do you think they meant to say "charging station" ? Or must you wear a bikini to qualify :lol:
 
Hehe... ya, saw that... but decided maybe they *are* calling them CHANGE stations, as in
"... supposed to help Stuttgart change from a car into a pedelec city."
:)
L
 
Or maybe a station to change your pack, where swap got lost in a translation maybe... A place to recharge for pocket change?
 
Nice looking ebike, but that eBay classified is a bit deceiving - in order to get the 40 miles, you'd need to add a secondary battery pack.
 
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
Visions of Volocci!
or perhaps someone's Norco Chaos if you gave it a tripple clamp fork?
Anyone know if Mike Fritz was ever part of the Volocci design team?
Maybe like Draper he simply was ahm, 'inspired' by Volocci.
Price is most excellent, tho 500W is a little on the low side it's actually higher than I would have expected considering it's from the UK.

That does look nice... I'm sure there's a way to tweak the power level :twisted:
 
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