Hey guys I'm new on this subject but I've done some research recently. I'm in the market for my own E-Board and have a few questions. I see how awesome cool those bolt on motor mounts are but are they as "TOUGH" as the welded ones? I figured the bolt-ons are more expensive simply because of the extra materials vs the standard block of welded mount. But is it really worth the extra money in terms of performance, costs, etc. Which one be more strong for dual motors? I don't plan on going over 22mph perhaps and going up crazy degree hill climbs. I'm good with electronics as I've been into R/C racing for decades. Also does anyone know where I can get just the METHOD decks as those just look so sexy sweet! I don't want to get the entire board since I'll most likely get the pre-welded motor mount/trucks or the bolt-ons. Thanks for the input and assistance in advance. Ride safe now!
Welded or Bolt-On Motor Mounts?
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astilwell611
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IMO welded motor mounts are a thing of the past. Torque was the only one offering them for sale I believe and even he has switched to a bolt on style mount. The bolt on mounts are every bit as strong as a welded mount if not stronger. My bolt on mounts from torqueboards is crazy thick compared to my first gen enertion bolt on. Also with a bolt on mount you can place your motor where ever is best for you on your board. With a welded mount you get one shot and that is it. I find the bolt on great for being able to line up belts and what not because you simply have way more adjust ability. Several people offer bolt on mounts now torqueboards (DIY electric skateboard), alien drive, enertion, and even phycotiller has opened up on online store.
Definitely bolt on, because I can guarantee the setup you start with will most likely not be the same at the end. Times progress, technology changes and you will want to swap a pulley or drive width or single/dual drive and need to move the mount.
Now on that note not all mounts are created equal. I am hoping to acquire more and test them all and put up a review. So far nothing has been perfect.
Now on that note not all mounts are created equal. I am hoping to acquire more and test them all and put up a review. So far nothing has been perfect.
Bolt-ons are the best because you can adjust belt tension and the angle of how you want your motor mount to sit. Also they are strong when you use thread lock. I used blue threadlocke just incase I do need to take it off, but I used red thread lock for my wheel so it doesn't come loose and get wobbly like before.
guys thanks for the input! That's all that I needed regarding that! I've looked into the Enertion and the DIY (torqueboards) versions. Price is about the same since I'll most likely get it with the trucks to save some time and headache. I'm still waiting for the motors (6354-55mm) to be in stock at HobbyKing. Just wondering why they only stock such high KV versions? I thought I should not have to go over 200Kv but I can't find anywhere on that site with lower Kv ratings. Really as stated I don't need that much RPM for high speed but prefer better torque like everyone does. I guess I'll have be getting the bolt on(s) then since it's much more adjustable. And I know it makes a lot of difference between any contact of gear or belt if not adjusted properly (e.g pinion gear/spur gear mesh or belt tension for R/C). Any other alternatives for the ESC? NO R/C ESC i presume? Everyone seems to run the VESCs? Thanks to all once again.
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VESC is definitely the best option if your budget allows for it and you plan on running more than 6s. I would also take a look at some of the recent mountainboard threads. I think they are using the Hobbywing MAXX6 or something like that which is capable of 8s. I run two hobbywing 150A's on 6s and have no problems. It is generally advised to stay away from boat or heli ESC's though since they lack brakes.
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Weld on works great but they are a bit harder to make. It's much harder to change colors too.
Bolt On will allow easier replacement, more color options, more adjust ability.
You can see on our newer mounts too that you can mount them in the rear versus inside the deck.
Overall, there's no need for welded anymore. We've all been riding bolt on's and they hold up perfectly fine.
Bolt On will allow easier replacement, more color options, more adjust ability.
You can see on our newer mounts too that you can mount them in the rear versus inside the deck.
Overall, there's no need for welded anymore. We've all been riding bolt on's and they hold up perfectly fine.
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I actually must be one of the rare few who belongs to another school of thought on this subject. I own a couple of bolt on options, including the very well designed and expertly manufactured units sold by Torqueboards. I prefer the welded option for the following reasons.
1. Strength and security. This is not to insinuate that the bolt on options are weak, they are not. At the end of the day though my experience with the bolt on options is that they "can" and do move, if you ride them hard. There are tricks and tips for installation which can dramatically reduce their susceptibility to movement, but I have yet to find a combination that 100% prevents movement. For full disclosure i'm using Paris trucks, which makes this issue more profound. To further complicate matters I also run a dual diagonal configuration, which means my front truck has a mount attached to it and that truck is more susceptible to downward force when the board is "dropped."
2. Perception versus reality of "adjustability." Do you know when the adjustable factor of the bolt-on mount is most useful to me? Predictably its when I need to re-adjust it following it unexpectedly moving from its position after a hard ride. Fact is that once I had selected my trucks, wheels, and drive gear the need for adjustability in a mount was overvalued. If you don't ever change your setup, why do you ever need to adjust the mount? The simple answer is, you don't. So once you've found that combination that you love and will ride for the forseeable future, why introduce insecurity to it?
3. Simplicity and cleanliness. The welded mount in addition to the peace of mind of knowing that its NEVER going to move, also brings the added benefits of a simple and clean installation. The mount itself is smaller in mass and less bulky and complicated looking. This creates a clean and simple finished look. As an added bonus the space savings make it easier to accommodate during build design, meaning it will work with a much wider variety of trucks.
Lastly COST. Lets not underestimate this one, but lets also tie this back to the the original argument that supporters of bolt on mounts consider to be the bolt-ons largest single advantage.... adjustability. The cost of the bolt on mount is generally twice that of the welded mount (minus paying someone to weld it if you're unable to do so yourself). So the bolt on supporter will say "yeah, you save money but you can never move it which means you can't change wheels or belt widths once you've set it," ..... and that's generally true. But we are DIY'ers right? We want to fiddle, and change things, and experiment with different setups. Hangars are cheap, and if you want to experiment with different truck types you'll need different bolt on options anyway to accommodate different shapes. So if I want different setups to accommodate different wheels, for the same cost of a single bolt on mount I can have stronger welded mounts on 2 different sets of hangars.
I dunno. I don't see much advantage to the bolt on options. Overrated IMO.
1. Strength and security. This is not to insinuate that the bolt on options are weak, they are not. At the end of the day though my experience with the bolt on options is that they "can" and do move, if you ride them hard. There are tricks and tips for installation which can dramatically reduce their susceptibility to movement, but I have yet to find a combination that 100% prevents movement. For full disclosure i'm using Paris trucks, which makes this issue more profound. To further complicate matters I also run a dual diagonal configuration, which means my front truck has a mount attached to it and that truck is more susceptible to downward force when the board is "dropped."
2. Perception versus reality of "adjustability." Do you know when the adjustable factor of the bolt-on mount is most useful to me? Predictably its when I need to re-adjust it following it unexpectedly moving from its position after a hard ride. Fact is that once I had selected my trucks, wheels, and drive gear the need for adjustability in a mount was overvalued. If you don't ever change your setup, why do you ever need to adjust the mount? The simple answer is, you don't. So once you've found that combination that you love and will ride for the forseeable future, why introduce insecurity to it?
3. Simplicity and cleanliness. The welded mount in addition to the peace of mind of knowing that its NEVER going to move, also brings the added benefits of a simple and clean installation. The mount itself is smaller in mass and less bulky and complicated looking. This creates a clean and simple finished look. As an added bonus the space savings make it easier to accommodate during build design, meaning it will work with a much wider variety of trucks.
Lastly COST. Lets not underestimate this one, but lets also tie this back to the the original argument that supporters of bolt on mounts consider to be the bolt-ons largest single advantage.... adjustability. The cost of the bolt on mount is generally twice that of the welded mount (minus paying someone to weld it if you're unable to do so yourself). So the bolt on supporter will say "yeah, you save money but you can never move it which means you can't change wheels or belt widths once you've set it," ..... and that's generally true. But we are DIY'ers right? We want to fiddle, and change things, and experiment with different setups. Hangars are cheap, and if you want to experiment with different truck types you'll need different bolt on options anyway to accommodate different shapes. So if I want different setups to accommodate different wheels, for the same cost of a single bolt on mount I can have stronger welded mounts on 2 different sets of hangars.
I dunno. I don't see much advantage to the bolt on options. Overrated IMO.
smashapotamus: That's exactly what I have in mind! I'm glad we all here have our own opinions. The more features = more complications (IMO). Yes it's appealing but functionality and the rate of slippage on anything with high torque such as these will indeed shift. It's just a matter of time. I would also ask why did you choose the diagonal dual configuration against the dual rear? You seem like a clever person and appreciate everyone's feedback here! What a great community!
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I can see movement on a paris truck I guess. I run calibers and have been running bolt on mounts for about a year and a half. I ride just about everyday to and from class. Not to mention just riding for fun over the weekend. I use red locktite on all my bolts and have never once had a motor mount move unless I unbolted it lol.
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@smashapotamus @c4Lvin - Thanks for your guys opinion. I appreciate it. I may look into the welded option again in the near future. The first welded option was definitely bullet proof 
I've also been riding the bolt on and if you get them on properly. They should never move.
Having nicer colors besides plain silver is cool too
I've also been riding the bolt on and if you get them on properly. They should never move.
Having nicer colors besides plain silver is cool too
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c4Lvin said:
It generally isn't the torque of the motors or anything like that which causes slippage for me, its the repetitive torque of impact with the ground from the board being skated. Riding off of curbs and over terrible downtown LA street conditions causes downward torque against the mounts which essentially act as weighted levers with heavy motors mounted to the end. Sometimes I'll drop the board like a street deck and begin riding. That impact nearly always causes a slight shift. My aim isn't to build a garaged show car that sees the sunlight rarely and is sheltered away from harsh conditions. I ride it like I stole it every time I get on it and my goal is to build something that can withstand a beating befitting of a street skater. LOL, i'd ride the thing in a bowl if it wasn't so damn big!
I opted for a dual diagonal configuration fairly early in my build planning. I like the balance and equal power distribution. It makes the board feel more controllable and stable at high speed IMO, I relate it to sort of a poor mans AWD (all wheel drive for the non car enthusiast crowd). I can also ride my board in either direction without a performance consequence. This was also my first build and I was sold on the turnigy 6374 motors at the time. The profile of these motors is too large to mount alongside eachother on the same truck in a dual configuration. So its required that you either go dual diagonal or mount them on opposite sides of the same truck. Dual diagonal allowed me to achieve my board design balance goals while simultaneously not limiting the motor sizes available to me.
torqueboards said:@smashapotamus @c4Lvin - Thanks for your guys opinion. I appreciate it. I may look into the welded option again in the near future. The first welded option was definitely bullet proof
I've also been riding the bolt on and if you get them on properly. They should never move.
Having nicer colors besides plain silver is cool too
Torque, I love your stuff its well designed and manufactured; GREAT JOB! But seriously, you gotta stop hyping the cool colors bro! It took me about 3, maybe 4 good rides. Then I got comfortable, and those pretty black anodized mounts I bought from you weren't so black anymore. NOPE! Every rock, pebble, grain of sand, and occasional curb or lip did a great job of sanding that anodized coating right off back to the original plain silver.
I can't be the only one? LOL. Pits happen guys! If your board looks like a show car then it's never been ridden!