What's Your Wish List for a Production Electric Longboard

Charper13

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Hey all,

I haven't been active on the forums but I figure nows as good a time as ever. Everyone here seems to have really strong opinions on what an electric longboard should look like, and its a little different for each person. I'm wondering what your ideal production longboard would look like? What would you like to see the industry moving towards? (e.g. power systems, range, extra features, wheel sizes, weight, price point, etc.)
 
okp said:
biggest progress would be batteries.

Yeah unfortunately there's not much out there in the way of stable battery chemistries other than LiFePo4, which is what almost every manufacturer is already using
 
Electrics integrated into the deck
25+ MPH top speed
12+ mile range
Less than 15 LB

So basically, the Marbel, if they ever get their s**t together.
 
Maybe we are the wrong crowd to ask..
I would trade none of my boeards for a marbel or boosted...just cause my boards are designed and made with only me in mind..

That said 80% of my failures and breakdowns and associated costs of running are battery related....
Would rock if a battery that did not die if you went under 3.0 per cell (or whatever your particular quemistry accepts) and had the energy/weight/performance of lipos..or simply die overnight when it has been balanced charged every single time..
Battery is by far the weakest link in this...
 
I was actually thinking of this question just the other day....

It's a really interesting thing to think about.... especially as builder/seller of eboards & DIY eboard kits... its involves thinking a lot about the market and trying to predict the future of market trends..

Skateboards in the traditional sense are (for me anyway) all about building a board that suits your own style. I was a skateboard rider long before I was an electric skateboard builder. The most exciting thing for me was upgrading parts after a year or so thrashing the streets... going to choose a new deck was especially enjoyable.

Each time you upgrade an old part for a new one you had to adjust and relearn things that felt perfectly natural on your old deck....it was refereshing.


I really don't want this feeling to be absent from the eboarder experience, now and especially in the future when kids who are riding eboards 10 years from now may have never experienced what self propulsion non-electric skateboarding was all about....

The day of all (or at least most) skateboards sales being eboards is inevitable... technology would have easily advanced enough to ensure that every skateboard has motors by the time my 9 month old is half my age.


So here's the delema...

I 100% believe that fully integrated components, as per marbel, probably are the best overall design solution for electric skateboards... it is also probably lighter... and perhaps probably more robust, offering better protection for the components... and for the mass production of electric skateboards probably makes the most sense.... the only thing that needs to happen is hub motors and it will be visually no different than a normal skateboard....



The biggest problem with "mass production style" eboards is (especially for the die hard skaters) it's never going to ride as nice as a normal skateboard.... so you instantly split the market in two.

1. People who think electric skateboards are a shit version of a real skateboard! <And> 2. those who love innovative products and who don't care that it doesn't 'feel' good like a 'real' skateboard... skaters vs commuters

For me the ultimate solution is a conversion kit that looks as good as a full production board but can be used on ANY skateboard deck. I strongly believe that an ad-hoc system with interchangeable or upgradeable & adaptable components will be what opens up the market of electric skateboards to the world and makes it accessible to the masses.. think PC's vs MAC

It needs to use universal parts that are readily available allowing upgrades and customizations.... and of course feel good enough for die hard skaters to be enticed to ride....

Boosted seems to be trying to please the skaters... marbel seem to want to innovate and create a new genre.... only time will tell who was right...

Here are some other reasons fully integrated production boards might suck.
- Hard to fix/replace internal parts due to access, need specialist tools or training.
- Costly Proprietary parts... Too bad if you need to use a different controller or battery tech.. you're locked in to the form factor. (PC vs MAC)
- Can't remove battery. Restricted Travel via Air planes.
- All-in-one integrated carbon composite deck alone would cost double or triple or MORE of a simple tried a tested maple deck. So definitely don't frock it up.... this also means that marbel will need to produce heaps of them to keep the cost down... which will ultimately limit their ability to innovate with new designs... always got to sell what's on hand first!.
- production models are all the same... one of the things me and my mates used to like doing when skating is swap boards and see what your mates new ride was like... this helps to develop your style because you discover what you like and what you dont like... it also helps identify when design is really good!... if there are lots of options in the marketplace but everyone ends up using the same thing it must be good!..... that is very different from everyone just using the same thing because they had no choice.

so what i am trying to say is if you are going to make a production electric skateboard make it very new & special, it needs to blow my mind... like BAJA boards did... make something that is completely original..............Otherwise build an elegant simple system that people can bolt onto any skateboard without altering the skateboard experience too much.
 
I pretty much agree with most of onloop.

Fully integrated components within a deck would be the cleanest and most practical solution. I would like an easily removable latch'd on the top to open and fidget if needed.

I do understand that some people just don't want to deal with anything and just want to ride.

I don't think electric skateboards and regular skateboards are any comparison as they are totally different. Both are used for totally different reasons. Both have their pros and cons.

Enjoy cruising but not in a rush to get anywhere. Cruising with no electrical power is awesome.

Need to get somewhere quick without breaking a sweat. An electric skateboard is perfect.
 
Marbel's solution for the electronics is really cool. I wonder if anyone could make a similar deck and sell just that as opposed to the complete.
 
DISCLAIMER: My wish list is for these individual components, not for a full production board. I'm less concerned with production eboards as I am with the DIY community, as I feel those looking for production boards with these specs already have their fair pick of the litter.

1. A safe and reliable battery is top priority for me. Though my understanding of lipos is that they are safe if managed responsibly. I like to think they don't just spontaneously combust. A low profile lifepo4 pack is doable, so I think I just answered my own request. lol.

2. A low profile**, metal enclosure is on my wish list too. The enclosure will determine what kind of battery you will have to use though, so this pretty much leads us back to #1. However, if we're settling on lipos for the time being, then an enclosure is something we can actively work towards now because we know the sizes we need to work with. Lipo candidates to design this enclosure around: 2x3s8000mah, long 6s5000mah (too long though, imo), and APS flat 6s8000mah (although pricey, i think this is a perfect size). The ESCs we use are already about 1" (25mm) high so I don't think those are an issue (and the taller ones can have the fan removed).

For my own board I'm 99% set on getting this 11"x7"x2" aluminum enclosure, then using a dremel to lower the height to about 1.25", and epoxying the bottom plate back on. Needs to fit 2x3s8000mah Turnigy lipos, HK150a ESC, and receiver.

**I consider "low profile" to be 1.5" (38mm) or less.
 
I'm been looking into moving into 18650 Lithium NCM cells and/or 26650 lifepo4 cells with built in charging ports.

My reasons are
- completely custom build battery packs -- under 1" or 1.5" - 1.5" if you want more capacity/longer distance.
- longer life cycles
- built in charging ports
- option for cheaper battery chargers (use of multiple packs)
- safer battery packs

A low profile metal enclosure is on my to do list as well.

I'll actually create a post on this as it's something I've been looking into lately.
 
Hope this isn't too off topic, but what do you guys think about two separate enclosures for esc/batteries like Boosted, with the wires running through a cable cover under the grip tape -vs- an all-in-one enclosure like Marbel? I'd love to try Boosted's setup, but I'm wondering if its a lot more work for nothing more than a different aesthetic.

I guess my real question is: What are the pro's and cons of seperate versus all-in-one enclosures?
 
drmacgyver said:
Hope this isn't too off topic, but what do you guys think about two separate enclosures for esc/batteries like Boosted, with the wires running through a cable cover under the grip tape -vs- an all-in-one enclosure like Marbel? I'd love to try Boosted's setup, but I'm wondering if its a lot more work for nothing more than a different aesthetic.

I guess my real question is: What are the pro's and cons of seperate versus all-in-one enclosures?

I created a new topic for battery options + enclosures as it's something I've been looking into and working on. I think sharing the information and discussion would be helpful.

IMO All in one enclosure similar to Marbel would eliminate a lot of the flex from a regular longboard versus Boosted which remains to have the flex. I think it's more of a personal opinion on riding style.

The boosted style is harder to create with routed grooves on the top deck for most people. I haven't really tried a flexy deck but the stiff decks seem fine for me.
 
a good controller for speed would be nice!
here's an idea: a ball. squeeze it fast to accelerate really fast. slowly release the ball from your grip to slowly stop. well, maybe not a ball, could be a small soft stick for easier grip. with this method, no more confusing buttons to press or step on like the zboard.
 
Fully behind the trigger throttle. I think it's because our index finger has the most range of articulation which makes me feel more comfortable to control speed/braking.
 
What about a thumb trigger, like on the wii? I don't like the idea of a squeeze thing either though, I can imagine going through some hairy slides/turns/traffic and instinctively gripping tighter "for safety"...
 
bandaro said:
What about a thumb trigger, like on the wii? I don't like the idea of a squeeze thing either though, I can imagine going through some hairy slides/turns/traffic and instinctively gripping tighter "for safety"...

You could but a typical RC controller has almost twice as much throttle range than a Wii Nunchuck. We could always create a 3D printed trigger adapter for the wii nunchuck as well. I think it would be a bit more uncomfortable though.

If anyone is interested we could try it and I can make one up.

I've really been trying to find a nice controller but no luck so far. Wii Nunchuck is what I'll have to settle with until then and/or until we need more buttons.
 
torqueboards said:
We could always create a 3D printed trigger adapter for the wii nunchuck as well.

That's almost exactly what I was going to do, model and sls a controller, to fit the internals for the nunchuck, but give an alternative control system. Basically I want a board that uses all the proven and readily available componentry from bikes and boards, integrated in a neat little package. Tossing around ideas and designs, hope to have something running by christmas/new years.
 
I think a trigger nunchuck is the ultimate transmitter solution. I love the Wiiceiver, but I don't feel entirely comfortable using my thumb/the joystick. A big part of that is the limited range of motion (of both my thumb and the stick). Maybe the joystick can be replaced with a trigger, and then rotated to where the index finger rests. The C and Z buttons could be accessed by thumb by moving them to the area where the joystick was. Other than that, the nunchuck shape is very ergonomic and I don't think needs changing. Shame on Nintendo for not designing the nunchuck with e-boarders in mind! :lol:
 
Haha. yeah, Nunchuck is great but seems getting a joystick on it for me at least felt a bit weird. We could flip it over and reverse the joystick up/down. Then I can't see the LED light.

I think the main downside more then anything is the throttle range and option of holding the joystick still when in manual mode but that's why the cruise control mode is there.

If you guys still think there's enough interest I could give the throttle joystick a shot but I think it would be a little uncomfortable and how it is now is most ideal.
 
Maybe an integrated transmitter charger. Like a battery bank or maybe a solar charger. You'd never have to worry about your transmitter dying on a long run. Although, those batteries last much longer than our boards batts, so this might be an unnecessary feature.
 
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