Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

I dont fear the nuclear harming my health its a possiblity but the oil industry has changed our health for sure and we all carry on regardless its the fact a meltdown is an instant effect oil not so much.

I want to wish everyone a happy new year no matter your thought process or side you feel you belong to after all we are the same species and live in the same block of the solar system
 
Nikola Motor Company continue to release videos of their fuel-cell trucks fully working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1reoR1mMig
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What's remarkable is how many YouTubers I see refer to Nikola as being a complete utter fraud and nothing else, this FUD started with the CEO doing some dodgy things equivalent to what Elon Musk frequently promises/says/does to get a project off the ground but of cause because wasn't it Elon saying it then it's totally not acceptable. :pancake:

I guess that is why latest year hardcore Telsa fan/YouTuber Sandy Munro went for a ride in the Nikola fc truck to show that it's not all lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdV62JOFZ5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDF5G15-F2Y
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Has Tesla offered Sandy Munro a ride around on a Tesla truck with a full load on the back? NOPE :roll: :lol: :flame:

I kind of like the FUD against Nikola as long as it doesn't cause them to go bankrupt, because when folks see Nikola EV trucks on the road it will remind them how much they blindly trust and suck down rubbish information like coca-cola thus causing them to learn a tiny bit more...

Just like fuel-cell buses which have been used for a fair while now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell_bus and have only continued to ramp up in popularity , the fuel-cell truck is a mere logical next step formality for the very large EV take over.
https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/national-express-hydrogen-buses-out-in-service/

The thing that actually makes me think Nikola will be a winner is that fuel-cell trucks make a lot of sense generally, because you get fast refueling and really long distances, which is not something typically seen or accepted for battery based busses, battery based busses typically go in short distances and are used in fleets so can take some off the road for recharging etc, typically it's only trucks work alone and in long distances.
 
Fuel Cell is coming along at a snails pace.

ALAMEDA, CA — Construction is underway in Alameda for the Water-Go-Round, a hydrogen fuel cell boat. The 70-foot catamaran is being built by Bay Ship & Yacht Co. of Alameda. When it launches next year it will be the first fuel cell vessel in the US and the first commercial fuel cell ferry in the world.
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Sea Change, the ferry is a 70-foot, 75-passenger catamaran
 
Lmao its legit pmsl, its another round of investments from dummys.
 
Ianhill said:
I dont fear the nuclear harming my health its a possiblity but the oil industry has changed our health for sure and we all carry on regardless its the fact a meltdown is an instant effect oil not so much.
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I suspect you are thinking of the negative effects of oil use, emissions from burning , etc
But i hope you are equally aware of the positive results from oil use ?
Much of the “chemical” industry is based on oil derivatives, as are pharmacuticals which have had dramatic effects on human health and life expectancy. Nearly all plastic materials and products also depend on oil,.. and try to think of a world without plastics !
Even the big ogre of oil based fuel is integral to our society and a progressive lifestyle, as yet, there are no practical alternatives for mass consumption of the fuels that keep agriculture, transportation, ( trucks, trains , aircraft, etc) as well as ocean shipping,...without which there is no international trade, and a complete economic upheaval. ( which i suspect some would want ?). Imagine how your life would change in that world.
Possibly the worst issue, would be the immobilisation of all armed forces with all military vehicles, aircraft, and most ships, dependant on oil based fuels ! A worrying senario to any realistic thinker. !
Ref for more details..
https://www.cfact.org/2021/11/30/biden-lacks-understanding-of-oils-contributions-to-civilization/
And the book+podcast ..
“Clean Energy Exploitation”
 
I was thinking more on terms of traces of lead on land and those plastics thats in the oceans, oils slicks for miles and asthma for the young.

Built up areas have nothing natural or human about them and its all power end of day more has to be moved than before thats how progress is measured till there was none.

Theres enough said to see people's views collide always will to fix the energy problem lots of underlying issues must be agreed and thats unlikely when lots of foe have enemys from within.
 
Hillhater said:
But i hope you are equally aware of the positive results from oil use ?
Much of the “chemical” industry is based on oil derivatives, as are pharmacuticals which have had dramatic effects on human health and life expectancy. Nearly all plastic materials and products also depend on oil,.. and try to think of a world without plastics !
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Yep. That is the best possible reason to stop burning it as fast as we can.
 
JackFlorey said:
Hillhater said:
But i hope you are equally aware of the positive results from oil use ?
Much of the “chemical” industry is based on oil derivatives, as are pharmacuticals which have had dramatic effects on human health and life expectancy. Nearly all plastic materials and products also depend on oil,.. and try to think of a world without plastics !
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Yep. That is the best possible reason to stop burning it as fast as we can.
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???.. thats a confusing reply..
Do you mean we should stop burning oil to keep future supplies for manufacturing chemicals, pharmacuticals, and plastics..?...
...or that we should stop burning oil and learn to live without any of the products produced from it ?
If so, i suspect you have not really thought that senario through.!
Even if you mean just stop BURNING oil as fuels, ..someone had better find a viable alternative quickly to maintain our agriculture , Military, and transportation logistics functional.
 
Hillhater said:
Do you mean we should stop burning oil to keep future supplies for manufacturing chemicals, pharmacuticals, and plastics..?...
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Yes. It's too important as a feedstock for our industry to burn at the rate of 28,000 gallons a SECOND. That's absurd, especially when there are alternatives for most of it, and especially considering the other effects of burning it.
 
JackFlorey said:
Yes. It's too important as a feedstock for our industry to burn at the rate of 28,000 gallons a SECOND.
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That's always been my argument as to why we should stop drilling and pumping oil in the US and import as much as possible instead.

BTW, the state of NY just banned installing NG pipes in new construction. The way their old ones are always blowing up, they might think about doing something about them too.
 
Honest if thats all the excuse there is for the world been put on notice then im damn ashamed to have these brethrens be part of what we belong too.

With all the excuses in the world someones got to make the first move and a army mentaility needs to be applied, war is no excuse the king daddy is nuclear and its delivered by liquid oxygen so if you war with oil its like tap dancing through a ufc fight the worlds advanced and its not always for the best but the day we choose to move on from coal oil and gas wont be a day to late.

I understand industry is no clean place its where ive learnt my trade and live my life but i see growth has its limit in a biosphere till disruption becomes collapse.

Humans the same we are broken beast from the men that came before us can not even decide our gender pronouns, nothings easy but some want it to be lifes a lessin they will never learn its not about economic growth its about the human torch been nutured and grown and in that respect we are failing and with out a united human theres little hope other than disjointed groups colliding over matters that have great influence on the packs future.
 
Without the passionate desire and innovation put in practise to make new ideas happen we will continue on our path to see no other way.

With the mindset of today if we was given the horse the industrail revolution would never of happened, to much deug addiction from the pharmaceutical companys oil has made so strong to the point we have had oxy cotton additions and a drive round detroit is a game of spot the natural man anymore everyones got an addiction thats life altering.

We have failed as a species the glory days are long gone here on in is unsteadiness to the end as for the couporation thats needs for a better future is overtaken by greed thats willing to make a buck on a bullet thats got a terrorist nameplate but ends up in the innocent.
 
Again, even if the desire is just to eliminate oil based fuels,..someone had better get working on finding a viable replacement very quickly.... because there is NOTHING out there at the moment that can do it !
EV tech can only go so far on known resources of materials for batteries, motors, and electronics ( note the current problem with electronic components.) .
Hydrogen ( non fossil produced) is no where near being viable on a mass commercial scale to substitute for transport fuel.!
Synthetics/ biofuels, are just an idealists dream.
So what is going to be the replacement for oil based fuels ?
 
Hillhater said:
Again, even if the desire is just to eliminate oil based fuels,..someone had better get working on finding a viable replacement very quickly.... because there is NOTHING out there at the moment that can do it
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Other than EV's, which are currently growing at 50% a year (average since 2015.) You can do the math on that I am sure.
 
How do the evs work in the cold northern climates does it drastically reduce the battery power or has that been mitigated
 
JackFlorey said:
Hillhater said:
Again, even if the desire is just to eliminate oil based fuels,..someone had better get working on finding a viable replacement very quickly.... because there is NOTHING out there at the moment that can do it
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Other than EV's, which are currently growing at 50% a year (average since 2015.) You can do the math on that I am sure.
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50 % of very little, is not much more !
And they can only grow at the rate that key materials are resourced. ( there is a reason some materials are called Rare Earths)
Maths doesnt consider real world situations .
 
Hillhater said:
50 % of very little, is not much more !
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In 2021 EV's represented 3% of the US market. And like Einstein said, compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe.

Extrapolating at 50% growth:
2022 5%
2023 7%
2024 10%
2025 15%
2026 23%
2027 34%
2028 51%
2029 77%

That gets us to more than half EV's by 2028.
And they can only grow at the rate that key materials are resourced. ( there is a reason some materials are called Rare Earths)
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Which components in an EV have a hard requirement for rare earths?
 
Jack, you are talking SALES figures
But even assuming those optomistic year on year increases of 50%... with 100% of sales ((8.5m) being EVs in 2030,...that would cumulatively result is a total EV cars on the road of less than 30m .....That is still less than 10% EVs, in a pool of 350million cars on the road in the USA !
And Rare earths...
without detailing all the individual materials and uses, a few relevant to EVs are ,...magnets, LEDs, optical fibres, lasers, capacitors, special steels and alloys,
As with many things , most RE sources are controlled by China, who have recently place key RE materials on an Export ban to keep critical materials for their own use.
And whilst not a “rare earth”, more common materials like copper , cobalt, and lithium, etc have finite and or restricted economic supplies, that cannot support major EV production in the future.
More new technologies and material developments will need to be developed.
 
Oils gonna be like the steam days it will always be looked back on fondly its addictions will be hard to kick but that move forward is vitally needed.

Maybe its not as clear on differing parts of the globe how the weather is changing and theres no driving force active to explain it other than our input that the math fits but for some the change is to much and choose to ignore the wisdom of the many so an idol lifestyle can continue.
 
Germany is an interesting case study how they got rid of their nuclear and frocked themselves over, was that on purpose.
https://www.smart-energy.com/features-analysis/its-official-nuclear-is-green/
 
Hillhater said:
Ianhill said:
Oils gonna be like the steam days it will always be looked back on fondly .........
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It may surprise you to know that steam power is still essential to our lifestyle..
The majority of electricity is still produced using steam power.!
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Correct i should of said the steam train nostalgia rather than all forms high pressure atmospheric or even what comes out the kettle.

I honestly i think a majority of the oil burning could be transfered to nuclear quite easy, uk for example started to build nuclear plants but found the north sea oil and gas field needless to say the french didn't and look what happened there ones depenant on gas the other nuclear.

If i was to settle a plan it would look like oil for agricultural use only in 10 years with compliant emission vehicles and testing not so much fining owners but decommission any none compliant with incentive to replace, move as much deliverys back to rail as possible limit internal flights where possible encourage electrical tramway guided buses to local counsils keep making small steps to make a big outcome.
 
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