Wind and Solar vs Coal, Gasoline, Nuclear

[stancecoke]

Please let us know your ultimate storage solution .

See #7731. If I would know the solution, I would be a rich man. I only know, that coal and nuclear is not the solution. You can only cover a constant base load with them, nothing dynamic.

 

[ZeroEm]

One solution is to lower our demand and make it standard for home to make some or most of the power needs.

 

[Ianhill]

The biggest battery we could reliably pull energy from is the earths core it can provide geothermal while been regulated by flow rate.

Its very early days in such projects with deep depths but to me logically its the answer to clean energy thats going to have good life span and serviceability no need for battery back ups and masses of hard to obtain metals and such.

But from what i can see in uk is theres large investment in solar thats to big to fail now it simply won't be allowed the corruption is large and when a choice is made there's little going back when money dictates.

Solar generation is going to be the asbestos of the future its useless in reality the amount of over capacity needed is insane makes wind turbines look a good idea and the fact storage is needed just amplifys the cost down the line.

And what do we build battery back ups from ? A cell that was designed for portability ffs face palm it's lazy engineering on one hand we developed nuclear reactors that take best part of a decade to get up an running looking at hinckley point but we also then deaign and install battery backup on same grid thats not really fit for purpose and burst into flames giving munitions for the naysayers to jump on we need an electrical isambard kingdom brunel to grab the reigns of the system and shake its core becuase its lost it ways of grand gesture and delivers little impressive but it's corruption.

Aberthaw coal power station as been payed to be demolished twice by uk tax payer and thats the fix for the situation after that a field of solar will be used on its grid connection when it has all the facilities and grid connections to be a test plant for much higher loads but instead for a few hours a day in summer it might get near its name plate rating, face palm the whole energy department of c02 hating idiots cant even see the cleanest solution plebs.

 

[ZeroEm]

The biggest battery we could reliably pull energy from is the earths core it can provide geothermal while been regulated by flow rate.

Its very early days in such projects with deep depths but to me logically its the answer to clean energy thats going to have good life span and serviceability no need for battery back ups and masses of hard to obtain metals and such.

But from what i can see in uk is theres large investment in solar thats to big to fail now it simply won't be allowed the corruption is large and when a choice is made there's little going back when money dictates.

Solar generation is going to be the asbestos of the future its useless in reality the amount of over capacity needed is insane makes wind turbines look a good idea and the fact storage is needed just amplifys the cost down the line.

And what do we build battery back ups from ? A cell that was designed for portability ffs face palm it's lazy engineering on one hand we developed nuclear reactors that take best part of a decade to get up an running looking at hinckley point but we also then deaign and install battery backup on same grid thats not really fit for purpose and burst into flames giving munitions for the naysayers to jump on we need an electrical isambard kingdom brunel to grab the reigns of the system and shake its core becuase its lost it ways of grand gesture and delivers little impressive but it's corruption.

Aberthaw coal power station as been payed to be demolished twice by uk tax payer and thats the fix for the situation after that a field of solar will be used on its grid connection when it has all the facilities and grid connections to be a test plant for much higher loads but instead for a few hours a day in summer it might get near its name plate rating, face palm the whole energy department of c02 hating idiots cant even see the cleanest solution plebs.

lol we keep using more energy. They are have a hard time shutting down any power plant, Coal, Nuclear or any other. Our USA government this year signed extensions for coal and Nuclear plants to stay online for another 3.5 years that were to be decommissioned in the next few years.

Yes having fields of solar panels is questionable. Here they are raising them up and spreading them out so grass will grow and cattle can graze under them. (It's getting hot and dry here so the partial shade helps) Do believe we can put solar on any roof to help and spread out the supply.

 

[Hillhater]

Check out the cause of the recent 24+ hr blackout in Spain and Portugal…and what was needed to stabilise and restart their grid.
Energy is the lifeblood of any economy, and no nation wants to restrict their economic future.Hence energy demand will continue to increase.
The UK has just anounced their plans to build 2 more new Nuclear power plants to ensure future grid security and power demand.

 

[neptronix]

Looks like the soft ban on building nuclear power in the USA just cracked.

 

[Ianhill]

lol we keep using more energy. They are have a hard time shutting down any power plant, Coal, Nuclear or any other. Our USA government this year signed extensions for coal and Nuclear plants to stay online for another 3.5 years that were to be decommissioned in the next few years.

Yes having fields of solar panels is questionable. Here they are raising them up and spreading them out so grass will grow and cattle can graze under them. (It's getting hot and dry here so the partial shade helps) Do believe we can put solar on any roof to help and spread out the supply.

I get its not easy to do it right at least most the time but this coal plant had been shut for few years all asbestos removed with a prior overhaul in 2008 and been ready to pull down for few years contract of demolishion had been awarded then a different firm moves in starts pulling it down and they both get payed.

Been down there today for a walk watch them nibbling away at it while watching out over the channel and looking at hickley going up, the amount of diesel thats gonna take is tremendous but i see coal is over just the whole situation of corrupt people slowing the game pisses me off if we invested in our future like we did military then everything would be stronger as a result a much better nitted web.

 

[stancecoke]

Check out the cause of the recent 24+ hr blackout in Spain and Portugal

Yes, check it. The blackout had nothing to do with too much renewables. It was a day with a usual share of renewables. The fairy tale of ‘the evil renewables’ is only spread by right-wing agitators.

Currently, the exact causes remain under investigation.....

“A lack of inertia was therefore not the main driver for the blackout. Indeed, post the frequency event, no fossil generation remained online – but wind, solar and hydro did.”

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/iberian-peninsula-blackout-causes-consequences-and-challenges-ahead

https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-what-we-do-and-do-not-know-about-the-blackout-in-spain-and-portugal/

At approximately 12:30 pm local time in Spain — just minutes before the grid collapsed — renewable sources accounted for 78% of electricity generation in the Iberian system, with solar alone contributing nearly 60%. By contrast, conventional technologies, such as gas-fired and nuclear power plants, comprised only around 15% of the total generation mix. This configuration is not unusual in Spain or Portugal, where high shares of renewable generation are common, particularly during sunny and windy days.