You learn the darndest things about your own City

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Apparently Saint John N.B. had an electric street car network from 1890 to 1948. It shut down due to neglect, scarcity of equipment post war, and a declaration of City council that {electric}trams were outdated and inept......a menace to public safety ......a laughing stock to Canada"

Gee our local city council sure can predict the future eh!
 
And perhaps with some 'schmeergeld' from General Motors.
I don't know specifically about Saint John but during that time all across the States G.M. either made political contributions to those politicians in control of the decision to buy their sweet burning diesel buses or bought out the local transit authority completely to immediatley scuttle the electric fleet.
 
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh said:
And perhaps with some 'schmeergeld' from General Motors.
I don't know specifically about Saint John but during that time all across the States G.M. either made political contributions to those politicians in control of the decision to buy their sweet burning diesel buses or bought out the local transit authority completely to immediatley scuttle the electric fleet.

From someone with a degree in history & political science…
…this is more than likely the truth according to my research as well. The US emerged as the superpower after WWII with the homeland untouched by the largest war the world has ever seen and the military with hardly any casualties and coming out with a much higher morale because we entered so late (as opposed to the casualties/morale of our European allies: France, Britain, & the Soviet Union) and along with it a bigger stronger economy and hence stronger, more powerful companies. Much of the American working class, who had fought in the war and received lots of $ & benefits from the government as a result, were able to afford their own personal transportation & big, energy consuming houses and travel the great lengths of the land in the US in their own cars on our cheap petroleum (which came mostly from TX & the pre-OPEC countries). As a result, the Big Three (who also gained a lot of power/$ by building transport for the US military - as well as other countries’ militaries fighting in the war - during the war) basically got more powerful than the public and muscled all of us on the bottom out by funding their own candidates, with their powerful lobbies, etc. Europe, which had/has stronger public (left-wing) political power & weaker corporate power compared to the US, had/has impressive public transportation. And the cars they do own in Europe are mostly small, manual, diesels (read: much more efficient). Trains are also interesting to compare: in the US our impressive continent-spanning system is mostly exploited by big companies to move goods, whereas in Europe they use theirs more for moving their public. Unfortunately, we probably saw the negative environmental effects of almost every person owning their own gas guzzlin’ vehicle too late. And that’s basically where we stand today. The ebike community, IMO, is on the cutting edge of transportation technology and should be key to saving biology on this planet in the coming years, if we can popularize it. Then, if we solve that problem, all we’ll have to worry about will be an exponentially growing human population and nuclear war. :shock:
 
most of the rails are still in place. they are only covered by a layer of pavement and unless the street gets torn up for other repairs they will stay. We (Saint John) used to have a widespread mass transport system. however due to closed minded people with power and the lack of true leadership it has been lost. in the 60's the "city" bus used to come out to the valley (OH MY GOSH DIDN'T CITY COUNCIL JUST APPROVE THIS AS A BRAND NEW IDEA)
rant over
 
It's very well documented history of slime-o-nomics. Here's a quickie:

http://www.almankoff.com/0322scandal.shtml

Mar 22, 2000 / vol 6 issue 32

The great American streetcar scandal
A little-known but far-reaching scheme played a decisive role in killing off the trolleys. It began with a brilliant marketing ploy hatched by a pair of brothers named Fitzgerald. These Wisconsin bus operators suddenly found a magic lamp: General Motors. Teaming up with Firestone Rubber and Standard Oil of California, the corporate giant formed a subsidiary corporation, National City Lines, and – with one rub of the lamp – the elder Fitzgerald found himself propelled to the presidency of an enterprise that stretched from coast to coast and from Canada to Mexico. He had his orders, and he followed them well.

The idea was simple. Starting in 1936, National City (in the East and South) and its subsidiaries American City Lines (Midwest) and Pacific City Lines (West) bought controlling interests in 146 trolley systems in the U.S. and Canada, using money laundered through several finance companies that were in on the scheme. The new managers were directed to abandon streetcar service and replace the trolleys with GM buses. Contracts were then signed ensuring the exclusive use of Firestone tires and rubber products, and Standard Oil fuels and lubricants. Vendors who had held contracts for decades were frozen out. GM, Firestone and Standard Oil sales zoomed, and profits went through the roof.

Many of those trolley systems were already in poor financial shape, some of them about to collapse, in the wake of 1935 federal anti-trust legislation (which, ironically, had mortally wounded many trolley companies by severing their connections to power companies – and their access to cheap electricity). But others, particularly in the bigger cities, were healthy – and getting healthier with the delivery of brand-new, ultramodern trolleys called "PCC cars" (small fleets of which are still operating in some American cities, providing comfortable, fast, safe service to thousands of commuters every day.)

Still, one by one, trollies disappeared from American streets. Monopoly? Clearly – and a ruthless example of unrestrained free enterprise. But the whole matter would have gone unnoticed if not for E. Jay Quinby, an obscure naval officer stationed in Florida.

Quinby, a longtime trolley advocate from New Jersey, had shocked his wealthy parents by taking a blue-collar job operating a huge, interurban trolley between Paterson, N.J., and Ridgewood, N.Y., as his first job after college. When World War II came, he enlisted in the Navy and was stationed in Key West, Fla. He was still there when, in 1945, the conspirators resumed their temporarily delayed program.

Among the first to recognize the devastation that was taking place, Quinby prepared a detailed manifesto, which he sent to every mayor, city manager and member of Congress – to everyone and anyone, in short, who had anything to do with governance, regulation, politics or transportation. The unholy trinity was quickly indicted under the Sherman Anti-trust Act and eventually found guilty. The corporations paid small fines, and seven key executives, also found guilty, were fined $1 apiece for their involvement. General Motors' appeal was denied: The convictions stood.

But the controversy persists to this day. GM apologists insist that there was no deliberate attempt to sabotage the electric-railway industry, or to dismantle U.S. trolley systems, yet that was the undeniable result.

And, though some maintain that the trolley systems would have died, anyway, extensive FBI files recently obtained by this writer under the Freedom of Information Act prove that the conspiracy was even more widespread than is generally known.

The wife of the U.S. postmaster general was investigated in St. Louis, as co-owner of a finance company that laundered money passing from GM to National City Lines. Commissioners in a Florida city each received a brand-new Cadillac – and, the very next week, voted to scrap their trolley system, replacing the abandoned cars with GM buses. There is even suspicion of jury tampering, but none of this evidence was made public, either during or after the trial.

– Al Mankoff
 
I think our city is the last bastion where we still have a few dozen electric trolley buses (with the overhead electric lines) but every few years they announce that they're getting rid of them because it's too expensive to operate & maintain.
Then people rally around to save them & so it goes on & on.
I'm not even sure what their status is currently (p.i.), last I heard they were being sold to China but due to popular support it may have gotten overturned (yet again).

There is this deliberate, concerted & constant effort coming from somewhere to make sure that they get killed off.
They learn a little bit more every time how to expand their support, improve their tactics until they eventually get their way.
Even in this little burg somebody somewhere won't allow the last stone to go unturned until their conquest is total.

Vote Quinby.
 
I live in a smaller city where subways & other electric transit infratucture is too big for 30,000 people. We use some of the smaller buses which are not GM but a Canadian manufacture. Vancouver uses electric buses & electric trains, so does Calgary, I think most Canadian cities do.
Good story though, there is no bigger monopoly than the diamond trade & Debeers. Change is due.
 
recumbent said:
Good story though, there is no bigger monopoly than the diamond trade & Debeers. Change is due.

That Redmond, Wa company... uh... Micro-Sumthin is pretty big. They will get their come-uppance soon enough, though.


:?
 
TylerDurden said:
That Redmond, Wa company... uh... Micro-Sumthin is pretty big.

:x Oh Yeah, that's a huge monopoly :) .
 
fechter said:
Who killed the electric trolley?

Fortuantely, they are alive and well in San Francisco.

We still have our trams here in Melbourne (pronounced Mel-bin) Australia too.
 
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