which horse mcain or obama

which horse is your money on obama or mcain

  • obama

    Votes: 32 61.5%
  • mcain

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • other/third party

    Votes: 5 9.6%
  • fictional character

    Votes: 4 7.7%
  • none

    Votes: 3 5.8%

  • Total voters
    52
nutsandvolts said:
jerryt said:
She is an extremist (according to EMF).

It's not according to EMF, it's due to the fact that she is part of the New Apostolic Reformation aka the Third Wave. This is Christian fundamentalism that believes they are building God's Army (Joel's Army). It is End Times armageddon stuff that is considered extreme by ... not just EMF! :shock: To have her anywhere near red buttons is truly frightening. (Apologies if my comments on this offend anyone)

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583
That hypothesis is absurd and obtuse. It's in the same category as the arguments that Obama is the Christian's antichrist or the Muslim Mahdi.
 
EMF said:
This country has really gone to hell in a handbasket. :(

2lb block of cheese has gone up $5 to over $10 now in the last two months. $5+ for a half gallon of milk. 3 little grocery bags last night was $90. :shock:

Tonight I begin construction of my framehouse/greenhouse and chicken coop. I don't plan on going hungry this winter if McCain McSame is elected.
 
I'm not sure you are getting it....

It does not matter which one is elected, the result is the same, it's just 2 different roads to the same destination.

It's the spending that is going to bring the country to its knees (if it happens) most likely. Its how The Soviet Union was collapsed...

McCain wants to spend on his projects and Obama has his own.

There are too many fires to put out in the world, and our politicians insist on trying to put them ALL out.

Add natural disasters to the list, plus our burdensome debt and........
 
jerryt said:
nutsandvolts said:
jerryt said:
She is an extremist (according to EMF).

It's not according to EMF, it's due to the fact that she is part of the New Apostolic Reformation aka the Third Wave. This is Christian fundamentalism that believes they are building God's Army (Joel's Army). It is End Times armageddon stuff that is considered extreme by ... not just EMF! :shock: To have her anywhere near red buttons is truly frightening. (Apologies if my comments on this offend anyone)

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583
That hypothesis is absurd and obtuse. It's in the same category as the arguments that Obama is the Christian's antichrist or the Muslim Mahdi.

Anchorage News:

TOWN MAYOR: She wanted to know if books would be pulled.

By RINDI WHITE
rwhite@adn.com

Published: September 4th, 2008 01:49 AM
Last Modified: September 4th, 2008 06:36 PM

WASILLA -- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.

Couple that with having a politician that thinks a bureaucrat should be able to force a woman to carry a rapists or incestuous child to term...and in a lot of folks view, you have an extremist running for national office. And these are just a two of Sarah Palins beliefs that we know about so far.
 
nutsandvolts said:
jerryt said:
She is an extremist (according to EMF).

It's not according to EMF, it's due to the fact that she is part of the New Apostolic Reformation aka the Third Wave. This is Christian fundamentalism that believes they are building God's Army (Joel's Army). It is End Times armageddon stuff that is considered extreme by ... not just EMF! :shock: To have her anywhere near red buttons is truly frightening. (Apologies if my comments on this offend anyone)

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583

Your statement is bogus and requires correction; Sarah Palin is not a part of the New Apostolic Reformation as you stated. She spent her youth in the Assembly of God Church but currently is a member of the non-denominational Wasilla Bible Church.

Her former AOG church (not Sarah Palin) may (or may not) have “close ties to …Organizations and leaders in the Third Wave Movement".

This is the quote from your reference
… spent her youth in an Assembly of God church and has regularly attended another AOG church, as well as two Independent Churches. At least three of four of these churches have close ties to prominent organizations and leaders in the Third Wave movement, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation.

Regardless, the AOG has denounced this movement
This is a worldwide movement ….. referred to by the names of some of its more extreme theologies, such as Joel's Army and Manifest Sons of Destiny. Its roots …… has been repeatedly condemned by the General Council of the Assemblies of God since 1949.
 
Religion notwithstanding:

Fact Check: Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
Mon Sep 8, 2:25 PM ET
WASHINGTON - A new ad from John McCain's presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

THE SPIN: Called "Original Mavericks," the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. "Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere," he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush's economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means "anything but change."

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

"I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere," she said in her convention speech last week.

That's not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge "should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done."

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska "when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative" — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design "grandiose" during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin's reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress" is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908/ap_on_el_pr/bridge_to_nowhere_fact_check
 
Which is the bigger concern....That she wanted the bridge....or that she misrepresented her view of it?
 
i found a dollar bill today and it rings true...
 

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just seeen a news piece that compared what the tax changes would mean to us here it is
if your poor much better with obama plan(less than 30,000 family income)
if your rich better with mcain plan(200,000 or more family income)
but if your middle class itmakes very little differance and almost no help (around 60,000)
so as usual they leaving the middle class out of this but we are the ones that are on the fence about cannidates
 
nutsandvolts said:
I worked in insurance IT a long time ago, attended a financial planning seminar that was supposed to show us how to invest and prepare for the future. The presenter had all of these charts and graphs etc, and told us that by the time we retire we would need something like $2 million dollars to keep up with inflation. WTF? This financial system is broken. General concensus among people who actually know what they are talking about is that it cannot be repaired. What does that mean for us, well we're going to watch a dying system wreak havoc until it becomes unbearable and something else emerges. Some people also think this is all planned, consolidating more wealth to wealthy, eliminating the middle class, third-worldization for everyone ...
Can you imagine this broken system, and being hit with medical bills that are not covered and trying to pay the bills with inflated dollars?

One of my crew just passed away. He was diagnosed with cancer. He had very good insurance. He died almost exactly 6 months after being diagnosed. I was really worried, as after 6 months he would no longer get a check from work, because he was too sick to come in for 2 weeks and reset it (disability pay) . I even told him to just come in and set at a desk, but he couldn't do it. I was almost relieved when I didn't have to worry how they would make ends meet, after this period, and felt good that they had money coming in during his illness. I mean, I wanted him to live, but we were all scared what was he going to do if he can't get a paycheck? Then, I heard about 1 month later, after he died that his widow "owes" $200,000 in medical bills the insurance wont pay. :evil: She now is alone with only a single income. I don't know what will happen to her now- it makes me sick. :cry:

This is why I want national health care, so people don't lose everything if a loved one dies or gets sick. I hate bureaucracy, but I hate Insurance companies even more. Making a profit on peoples misfortune and looking at a spreadsheet to decide who lives or dies...it's crazy and disgusting.
 
I've gotten my leave from hospital yesterday, 4 months after my accident and I've got a few more months of physiotherapy to go. Total cost to me so far is 160$ for the ambulance ride, and it's gonna cost a bit over 4$ per day three days a week for bus to physiotherapy. I'm pretty happy Quebec has a socialist health care system, the RAMQ. With a private health insurance system, from what I've heard of it, things may have turned out pretty different.
 
Wha, whats that 2 horses asses?

well.....that reminds me of the railroad.

Lesson on Railroad Tracks

The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in En gland, and English expatriates built the US railroads.

Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built distance roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

Therefore the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
Bureaucracies live forever.

So the next time you are handed Specification/ Procedure/Process and wonder, 'What horse's ass came up with that?' you may be exactly right. Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses' asses.

Now, the twist to the story: When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's would have preferred to make them wider, but the SRB's had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRB's had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.
So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass.

And you thought being a horse's ass wasn't important? Ancient horse's asses control almost everything... and CURRENT Horses Asses are controlling everything else.
 
Mathurin said:
I've gotten my leave from hospital yesterday, 4 months after my accident and I've got a few more months of physiotherapy to go. Total cost to me so far is 160$ for the ambulance ride, and it's gonna cost a bit over 4$ per day three days a week for bus to physiotherapy. I'm pretty happy Quebec has a socialist health care system, the RAMQ. With a private health insurance system, from what I've heard of it, things may have turned out pretty different.
Oh hell yeah. I passed some kidney stones last year. And I never did this before and at first, it was just very painful, like I was having kidney failure or something. So I went to the emergency room, to be on the safe side. I paid my co-pay, which I think is 50 dollars. They did some kind of a scan and said you got 4 kidney stones, they gave me a shot or two, for the pain, then sent me on my way. I was there maybe an hour. I passed them when I got home and even one the next day at work.

Then a month later, I got a bill for $600 dollars for my "portion".
 
With the current and recent status of the markets in general, I really doubt if McCain has ANY chance at winning. It's not that I blame him but rather I blame the public's tendency to associate leaders with their parties and those parties are judged by their past leader's recent performance however loosely associated it can be with the economy.

It seems everything's unfair for the Republican party this time around.
 
swbluto said:
It seems everything's unfair for the Republican party this time around.
Unfair... yeah...
Too bad Republican Reganomics is turning out to be the stoopid rich-get-richer BS everybody said it was.
Too bad the Republicans that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 have sent their kids to die in the Middle-East... for big-oil profits.
Too bad the Republican lies about less government have resulted in bigger government that can look straight up your bum with a surveillance camera and no probable-cause.
Too bad the selfish suckers that believed the BS about lower taxes have gotten the opposite, while the MMS was letting big-oil off the hook for billions in royalties, and executives didn't have to declare options as income. (But hey, that $300 stimulus check... woohoo!)

Too bad most Republicans can't take off the red-white & blue glasses... the GOP has screwed them so badly, that their families will be feeling it for generations.

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swbluto said:
With the current and recent status of the markets in general, I really doubt if McCain has ANY chance at winning. It's not that I blame him but rather I blame the public's tendency to associate leaders with their parties and those parties are judged by their past leader's recent performance however loosely associated it can be with the economy.

It seems everything's unfair for the Republican party this time around.

We need someone with intelligence for a change. I think Obama in this respect has McCain beat hands down. McCain scares me like Bush with this CEO mentality. He wants to "listen to the commanders on the ground" when making decisions. What would have happened if JFK had done so during his watch? JFK realized HE was the Commander in Chief- he called the shots. He went against his commanders and did not let his Navy fire in the Cuban crisis.

Both Bush and McCain are underachievers. Look at Obamas scholastic record. It's impressive. He taught law as a professor etc. Along with Cheney and Colin Powell- and look at the mess we are in!

All McCain is trying to do is make up for not becoming an Admiral in the Navy. He massed that up and fell into politics, which just about anyone can succeed in as long as they have no skeletons in the closet. He is a very strange guy. I also have noticed him losing it in interviews with his temper this week and flip flopping like hell, lying etc- to make himself appear ahead of the curve. He will not be able to handle the stress of being Commander in Chief. He would be a disaster at best and a puppet at worst with some unknowns leading him around to fulfill some dark agenda.
 
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