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EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by DrkAngel » Nov 16, 2012 4:13 pm

Just received my 2013 EZip Trailz LS - Low Step - Womens's
Unbeatable deal!
$333 - including tax - including delivery! ... Price has been slowly but steadily rising!!
2 days shipping, from Amazon.com

Pros ...
Price
Complete, ready to go eBike
"Manly" blue color
Small bottle of touch up paint
$20 upgrade for 20mph capable

Cons ...
Heavy steel and battery
Stiff shifter
Budget components
SLA battery

Improvements ...
Painted rack
Large foot on kickstand
Dual - brake motor cutoff
Deeper tread on tires
Quiet motor - XYD-16
Removable freewheel
Guard protecting derailleur
Better looking RMB battery case

Detriments ... bad improvements
Separate PAS\TAG switch
Poor, battery condition led, placement

Still needing improvement ...
Better rear hub - thin flange poorly supports spoke elbow
Motor side spokes - laced in wrong direction! ... still!
Affordable ... Lithium pack.

Odd ...
The brush side motor cover has slots at the screws.
Possibly to adjust brush timing for higher speed - more torque?

Price jumped ! From $309 to $409!

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Red is more expensive 2012 model!

Confirmed as 2013 Model!

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dumbass » Nov 16, 2012 6:34 pm

Your old motors didn't have the slots? If I remember correctly everyone of my 5 motors have slots for mounting the end caps. I agree it never made much sense to me. I have reverced a few motors using these mountings screws and never considered they might alter the speed or torque. I have noticed that 2 motors running (no load) on a 48v 50a controller had different speeds (495 vsing 515rpm). Who knows maybe a little tuning would have match them better. I will be building a new twin motor setup this winter and will check into it.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by LeftieBiker » Nov 17, 2012 6:52 am

I just got an Even Manlier black diamond frame Trailz from Woot.com for $380 shipped and with tax. I got both free shipping with a $5 coupon code, and next-day delivery, by sheer chance. The bike appears to be in as close to perfect shape as these things get (it had one wrong size spacer on one brake caliper) and the bottom of the crank housing tells me that it was made only about 8 weeks ago! I guess that makes it a 2013, too. The pack seems to be in great shape, and arrived nearly charged, but I left it on the charger the full 8 hours the first time, and rode it as a plain bicycle the first night I had it. It felt pretty good even unpowered, once I got the seat height right. I think the folks who claim these things weigh a ton didn't grow up riding steel-frame bikes. :D This bike has a lot more power than I had expected: the PAS mode alone provides about as much as I expected, so the throttle adds a real thrill! I had an even heavier Giant LA Free Sport about a decade (or more) ago, and while it claimed to be 1000 or 750 watts (I forget which, but it had a High and Low mode, with no-pedal throttle mode only available in Low) it was much less powerful than this EZIP. I can cruise up hills that had me panting and my legs hurting (admittedly, I have a lousy cardiovascular system and leg problems) with ease. If only the weather were warmer!

My plan is to eventually get the 9.6AH Currie lithium pack unless I can get one custom built for less, but with a good SLA pack that doesn't make the bike feel too heavy, I can wait for an after-christmas sale. After my disastrous luck borrowing to buy a $1450 bike that arrived broken, I still can't believe that I was able to get something this nice for a price I can actually afford. I've ordered one of those Cateye headlight-taillight-computer box sets, a folding bar-end mirror (although I'd prefer a more traditional bar mount, and a set of pannier bags to both let me carry stuff and at least partially disguise the bike from casual scrutiny by Law Enforcement. That's right: I live in the only state in the union (NY) where E-bikes are illegal...

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by etriker » Nov 17, 2012 7:23 am

DrkAngel wrote:Just received my 2013 EZip Trailz LS - Low Step - Womens's
Unbeatable deal!
$333 - including tax - including delivery!
2 days shipping, from Amazon.com

Pros ...
Price
Complete, ready to go eBike
"Manly" blue color
Small bottle of touch up paint
$20 upgrade for 20mph capable

Cons ...
Heavy steel and battery
Stiff shifter
Budget components
SLA battery

Improvements ...
Painted rack
Large foot on kickstand
Dual - brake motor cutoff
Deeper tread on tires
Quiet motor - XYD-16
Removable freewheel
Guard protecting derailleur
Better looking RMB battery case

Detriments ... bad improvements
Separate PAS\TAG switch
Poor battery condition led placement

Still needing improvement ...
Better rear hub - thin flange poorly supports spoke elbow
Motor side spokes - laced in wrong direction! ... still!
Affordable ... Lithium pack.

Odd ...
The brush side motor cover has slots at the screws.
Possibly to adjust brush timing for higher speed - more torque?

Click on picture
Image

Choose Color : Blue

Confirmed as 2013 Model!
The kits are coming with a better hub but not the bikes ? That is too bad. :(

The kits are cheap on eBay sometimes less than $250.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0 ... Complete=1

Put my kit on a Trek Soleride that was in the back of a trailer on the way to the scrap yard.

It had a huge rusted shut hub motor on the front and a broken fork.

Was riding the trike and spotted it and stopped him.

Got it for $20.

Now has a Currie kit on it ! :)

Got it new on eBay with the upgraded hub for a little over $230.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dogman dan » Nov 17, 2012 8:24 am

Still the best possible deal for the poorest among us that still need short range transportation badly. Just the thing for the starving student, or a guy with a new dui that needs to get to a co workers house to get a ride to work.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by etriker » Nov 17, 2012 8:46 am

dogman wrote:Still the best possible deal for the poorest among us that still need short range transportation badly. Just the thing for the starving student, or a guy with a new dui that needs to get to a co workers house to get a ride to work.
So many ebikes have come and gone but the Trailz still lives on. :)

So simple. Easy to troubleshoot and work on.

No hall sensors in the motor. I hate hall sensors in the motor.. :)

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dumbass » Nov 17, 2012 10:17 am

etriker wrote:
dogman wrote:Still the best possible deal for the poorest among us that still need short range transportation badly. Just the thing for the starving student, or a guy with a new dui that needs to get to a co workers house to get a ride to work.
So many ebikes have come and gone but the Trailz still lives on. :)

So simple. Easy to troubleshoot and work on.

No hall sensors in the motor. I hate hall sensors in the motor.. :)
I have to agree. I've been riding ebikes for several years. Granted I'm not trying to do anything earth shattering with them but I have done a fair amount of my own modifications and setup work. And personally I like the using the Currie motors/controllers. They are compact and simple and and can handle upward of 48vproviding you monitor the temp they do fine. Brushes are not difficult to install and if I blow one completely I'm out 60 bucks. WOW!! I've even run them in series at 48v. And controllers (24, 36 or 48v) can be had for under $50. They can pull my ass along at faster speeds then I prefer to go on a bike so there's no problem with power. I used these motors on light weight Wallie World frames as well as the heavier Trailz's frames. BTW, I've said this before, if you take off all the ebike crap from a Trailz frame it's not much heavier then any other steel frame. Beside, I kind of like having a good strong frame under my 220# butt.

I am hoping to do a new build this winter and I have one of the SuperKids BMC kits that has been sitting on the shelf for a year and a half now (which I may decide to sell someday). http://www.thesuperkids.com/15wabmcbr24m.html But I am still planning to use Currie Trailz motors on this build because they are so damn simple and dependable for me. In fact running a single motor at 48v has worked so well I am going to use twin motors again but this time run them at 48v in parallel with a 50a controller. I'm not looking for speed though. It's pulling power I want.

So I guess you ether like the Trailz or you don't. And like many others I happen to like them very much. Oh yeah, one more thing dogman, I'm hardly a starving student or one of the poorest among us. In fact I'm guessing even though I retired 5 years ago at age 60 my income is still in the upper tier among us. So I think I can afford a more expensive ebike if I wanted it. So this constant BS of a Trailz as only being good for starving student, newbies or the as you put it "the poorest among us" is just that.......BS.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by LeftieBiker » Nov 17, 2012 10:23 am

I don't think the post about how inexpensive the bikes are was meant to be "BS." Anyway, I looked at the kits linked on Ebay, and while I'm a novice with these things, isn't that the older, louder motor? It's also a used setup in at least one listing. I'd rather have a whole new bike for less than $400.

Anyone have a good source for the front fender? I don't ride in rain if I can possibly help it, but I do kind of like fenders - especially if they are light plastic.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by SamTexas » Nov 17, 2012 10:36 am

dumbass wrote: So I guess you ether like the Trailz or you don't. And like many others I happen to like them very much. Oh yeah, one more thing dogman, I'm hardly a starving student or one of the poorest among us. In fact I'm guessing even though I retired 5 years ago at age 60 my income is still in the upper tier among us. So I think I can afford a more expensive ebike if I wanted it. So this constant BS of a Trailz as only being good for starving student, newbies or the as you put it "the poorest among us" is just that.......BS.
For the record: I don't like the Trailz because of its numerable deficiencies. But I completely understand why it's attractive to some people. dogman's comment is not meant to be pejorative. In fact I think it is complimentary. He's saying that for an extremely low cost, one can have a 100% ready to use ebike. No technical knowledge is required.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by etriker » Nov 17, 2012 12:43 pm

SamTexas wrote:
dumbass wrote: So I guess you ether like the Trailz or you don't. And like many others I happen to like them very much. Oh yeah, one more thing dogman, I'm hardly a starving student or one of the poorest among us. In fact I'm guessing even though I retired 5 years ago at age 60 my income is still in the upper tier among us. So I think I can afford a more expensive ebike if I wanted it. So this constant BS of a Trailz as only being good for starving student, newbies or the as you put it "the poorest among us" is just that.......BS.
For the record: I don't like the Trailz because of its numerable deficiencies. But I completely understand why it's attractive to some people. dogman's comment is not meant to be derogative. In fact I think it is complimentary. He's saying that for an extremely low cost, one can have a 100% ready to use ebike. No technical knowledge is required.
I had 2 of them, sold them and made money on both.

Then started to really miss them.

That is why I bought the kit and am glad I did.

Don't miss the evg ebikes.

Don't miss the golden motor hub motor.

Heck, don't miss the Goldwing, Porsche or the Mercedes.

Crazy huh ? :)

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dumbass » Nov 17, 2012 1:01 pm

First off I respect the opinions of the members on ES dogman included. He is a well respected member of the forum and I certainly have no problem with most thing he says. As I said some people will love the Trailz and some will not. Actually some will hate it. It's all in our own opinions. That being said, I'm not try to defend what I said. Yes, I took exception to the coments but I simply quoting exactly what was stated. And I quote "Still the best possible deal for the poorest among us that still need short range transportation badly. Just the thing for the starving student, or a guy with a new dui that needs to get to a co workers house to get a ride to work."

Now and then I talk to a guy in Cal. (actually a member of ES I think) that told me a few months ago he has ridden his Trailz over 7500 miles in the past year. The best I know he has never even changed the brushes. I'm not sure but I think he said he is still using his original lead packs (1 that came with the bike plus a second he purchased to add distance). He does not own a car and the Trailz is him only form of traspertation. Of course few people would ever try to do what he is doing with this inexpensive bike. But it can be done but this type of information is little known to most people.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dumbass » Nov 17, 2012 1:18 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I don't think the post about how inexpensive the bikes are was meant to be "BS." Anyway, I looked at the kits linked on Ebay, and while I'm a novice with these things, isn't that the older, louder motor? It's also a used setup in at least one listing. I'd rather have a whole new bike for less than $400.

Anyone have a good source for the front fender? I don't ride in rain if I can possibly help it, but I do kind of like fenders - especially if they are light plastic.
I've no idea what kit you are looking at so can't comment. As for the older motor from what I know Currie has switched over to the quiter motors. Of course there is likely old stock still around just as there was old bike inventory that was sold off cheap. But we are not talking about just the kits here. We were talking about a complete ebike for $333. And that includes shipping.

I wish I had one of the "older" motors to compare to mine. My 5 motors all have the old model # but do not have the str8 cut gears that is suppoed to be causing the noise. It would be nice is someone had both style motors and could post a recording of the differnt sound level.

I know I will never sneak up on a jogger while running a Currie motor but I won't scare the coyotes away with it ether. There are a lot of ebike videos posted on ES that have some pretty load motors on them (including hub motors) that sounded as load or loader then my Currie motors. Of course they may have been runnig faster or under more load.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dogman dan » Nov 17, 2012 3:08 pm

Yeah that didn't come out the way I meant it to did it?

I just have a warped point of view I guess. So very often, the only other guy on a bike commuting along the same road as me was obviously wobbling along on his kids bike, learning to ride a bike again after his day in court. You can tell at a glance why this poor schmuck is on a bike.

I didn't mean anything derogatory about the poor student though, I was one of the very very poorest in my colledge days. Ever tried to live on a $25 a month food budget? Even in 76 that was hard. Ate lots of jackrabbit, man that was nasty eating but it was cheap protein.

I should have just said it's still the best bang for the buck on an ebike for relatively short range rides. Only the battery size prevents longer rides I'd assume. Then kept my mouth shut about who or why they pinch the penny. I honestly didn't mean anything like saying only a moron with dui's would want to ride one. Came out sounding that way though. :oops:

No doubt though, it's a great buy for anybody who wants to spend less of their wealth on an ebike. Perhaps a bit slow for some longer distance commuters, but certainly rugged and able to climb hills suprisingly well.

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Post by DrkAngel » Nov 17, 2012 3:26 pm

OOPS!

Someone realized their screw-up!

Price just jumped from previous $308 to $409!
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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by dumbass » Nov 17, 2012 5:53 pm

dogman, Cernainly no problem from my side. As I said I've alway respected what you have to say and your thoughts and comments like so many others have helped me learn a lot obout ebiking.

Have you noticed how many new kits seem to be using the standard low cost Currie type motor lately? And more and more people are trying to find a freewheel or adaptor for the end shaft.

DrkAngel, I'm guessing they screwed up just what happened last year around Xmas. Remember it was ether Wallie World or Best Buy that offered the Trailz for $99. Of course they would honor and orders and claimed all stores and the wearhouses were out of stock. Ah, the good old days ("09) when I bought 2 of them for only $240 each from my local Toys R Us.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by DrkAngel » Nov 28, 2012 10:06 am

etriker wrote:
The kits are coming with a better hub but not the bikes ? That is too bad. :(

The kits are cheap on eBay sometimes less than $250.
The Currie "add on kits" are iZip, not eZip.
The iZips are the Cadillac version of the eZip (Chevy version?).
Just checked my "stored-spare" iZip Mountain Trailz.
It has:
Aluminum frame
Front disc brake
Better derailleur
and yes
"Proper" alloy rear hub
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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by DrkAngel » Nov 28, 2012 10:24 am

DrkAngel wrote:
etriker wrote:
The kits are coming with a better hub but not the bikes ? That is too bad. :(

The kits are cheap on eBay sometimes less than $250.
The Currie "add on kits" are iZip, not eZip.
The iZips are the Cadillac version of the eZip (Chevy version?).
Just checked my "stored-spare" iZip Mountain Trailz.
It has:
Aluminum frame
Front disc brake
Better derailleur
and yes
"Proper" alloy rear hub
My Stored,old model, iZip Mountain Trailz AL - Men's

8 day, from payment, delivery time , from California to New York.
Received in excellent condition.
Think I'll let the pictures do the talking, I'll fill in comments later.

Nice metallic red, perfect condition, FedEx did a good job.

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Front Disc Brake. Quick release front wheel.

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Figured how to adjust Disc brake, very nice!


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Deluxe derailleur & "Mega Gear", super low end torque!

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Front steering column is adjustable by angle only. Loosen left & bottom screws to adjust.

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Pedals seem better quality than EZip. ... ?

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Me Likey!

Sorry, never took pictures of the rear hub ... will try to add!
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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by LeftieBiker » Nov 28, 2012 11:57 am

Nice looking bike! Does anyone know where to get the battery connector (the ones on the bike) covers I've seen mentioned? Currie doesn't list them as accessories, and I'd like at least one, for the side I'm not using now.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by veloman » Nov 28, 2012 1:34 pm

I think these are what you want
http://tncscooters.com/index.php?route= ... ry&path=69

They also have an ebay store which is less shipping I think.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by LeftieBiker » Nov 29, 2012 12:54 am

No, I meant the dust covers for the battery terminals. Someone PM'd me a link to them at curriestore.com, but that site is so badly set up I can't seem to create an account. And apparently you can't buy anything without an account... Anyway, should I be coating the terminal prongs with dielectric grease?

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by DrkAngel » Nov 29, 2012 9:17 am

LeftieBiker wrote:No, I meant the dust covers for the battery terminals.
Image Shop for multiple items. Shipping charge! USPS $3.95. Ship 5 for $4.10
LeftieBiker wrote: Anyway, should I be coating the terminal prongs with dielectric grease?
I do. Seems to cut down on arcing, sketchy contact etc. More important is to "help" pack fit firmly in rack. I bent rails together using a tourniquet ... tighten then test, repeat.
Others add "Velcro Dots" in pack slots, to tighten.

"Bouncing", rattling pack erodes contacts as well as supplies unreliable power!

New Tip - Shape rack for firm fit with gentle taps from rubber mallet.
Tighten rack near bottom, so that easy to remove except at full insertion.
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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by LeftieBiker » Nov 29, 2012 10:01 am

I don't see any other items I need there. How much is basic shipping? As for the pack rattling, I get a little of that on rough pavement, and was thinking rubber cushions, but the velcro sounds good too. It really holds?

I know some of you are running your EZIPs on 36 volts. I can't (new model) but would anyone want to buy a new Prodeco 36 volt, 12AH lithium top-rack-mount pack and charger? It supposedly has a built-in BMS. If I can find a local buyer (or one who can somehow pick it up so I don't have to ship it) who will pay $350 for it, it's theirs. Prodeco can't seem to get the paperwork in order to get the whole damaged bike *and* pack shipped back to them. The pack has a scratch on it, but it charged fine and has never been used.

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013 - What Size Spoke WRENCH???

Post by LeftieBiker » Dec 14, 2012 7:03 am

I've been searching to see what size spoke wrench to order, and all I see see is spoke gauges and diameters. Whats size or sizes are the nipples on my 2013 Trailz?...?

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013

Post by etriker » Dec 14, 2012 9:58 am

DrkAngel wrote:
DrkAngel wrote:
etriker wrote:
The kits are coming with a better hub but not the bikes ? That is too bad. :(

The kits are cheap on eBay sometimes less than $250.
The Currie "add on kits" are iZip, not eZip.
The iZips are the Cadillac version of the eZip (Chevy version?).
Just checked my "stored-spare" iZip Mountain Trailz.
It has:
Aluminum frame
Front disc brake
Better derailleur
and yes
"Proper" alloy rear hub
My Stored,old model, iZip Mountain Trailz AL - Men's

8 day, from payment, delivery time , from California to New York.
Received in excellent condition.
Think I'll let the pictures do the talking, I'll fill in comments later.

Nice metallic red, perfect condition, FedEx did a good job.

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Front Disc Brake. Quick release front wheel.

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Figured how to adjust Disc brake, very nice!


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Deluxe derailer & "Mega Gear", super low end torque!

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Front steering column is adjustable by angle only. Loosen left & bottom screws to adjust.

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Pedals seem better quality than EZip. ... ?

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Me Likey!

Sorry, never took pictures of the rear hub ... will try to add!

Nice ! :)

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Re: EZip Trailz LS - 2013 - What Size Spoke WRENCH???

Post by DrkAngel » Dec 14, 2012 4:54 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I've been searching to see what size spoke wrench to order, and all I see see is spoke gauges and diameters. Whats size or sizes are the nipples on my 2013 Trailz?...?
3.5mm - .136" for the eZip Trailz 2013 ... red.
I got the assortment for about $10.
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