Is the Molicel P50B “tabless”? I tore one down to find out…

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TL;DR…no. This cell uses the same tab design as other round li-ion cells, but has more tabs to reduce internal resistance and increase current handling.

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Some observations and comments:
  • NEVER TAKE APART A LI-ION CELL! Even a tiny spark can ignite the flammable electrolyte that is everywhere in the cell.
  • I used huge amounts of ventilation and I have a very specific method to make the cell fairly safe to handle.
  • The top contact (cathode) uses two aluminum tabs, coming out at about 1/4 and 1/2 of the way into the jelly roll. Most other cells use just one tab.
  • The cathode tabs are connected to jelly roll’s aluminum current collector foil using a huge number of tiny dots. Laser weld impact points?
  • The bottom contact (anode) uses three tabs, coming out at the outside start of the jelly roll, about 1/3 of the way in, and a narrower tab from the end (center of the cell). Most other cells use one or two tabs.
  • The anode tabs are the standard metal for this, copper, but appear to be nickel plated.
  • The anode tabs are bonded to the copper current collector foil differently. All of the laser weld (???) impact points are bunched together at three locations.
  • The only really obvious internal difference between the P50B and other high performance li-ion round cells is the larger number of tabs. This reduces the internal resistance and voltage sag of the cell.
  • The rest of the P50B’s amazing performance is probably due to the active materials (anode, cathode, electrolyte) and the separator.
  • I tested the P50B for my Patreon supporters in February and will be posting the results publicly soon. Some test results (performance beyond 300 abusive cycles, P45B/P50B abusive cycle life comparisons, and extremely high current discharges) will remain patron-only though.
 
Nice, i'd love to see the discharge graphs and real capacity.

Where the heck can you get these things?
 
Thanks, happy to hear they're not unobtanium!
 
someone told me they would send 4 samples for 20$ but never replied

thanks for publishing the tests
 
Very interesting @CamLight.
Thanks for sharing !

  • The only really obvious internal difference between the P50B and other high performance li-ion round cells is the larger number of tabs. This reduces the internal resistance and voltage sag of the cell.
To add a further note: the B-series tabs are also wider and run deeper into the foils.
(This improves resistance and thermal distribution.)

The multi-tab setup started with P42B and has been carried over and further improved with P45B and P50B.
Here's a wireframe model for comparison - P42A on the left, P42B on the right:

Molicel INR-21700-P42A wireframe model.PNG Molicel INR-21700-P42B wireframe model.PNG
 
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not too far from where i live Molicel and the Government of BC have entered into a $1.05 billion dollar partnership to build a manufacturing plant in Maple Ridge BC. ive been bugging them for years to sell me some batteries but they never do. our govt is giving them $200 million dollars and they wont even sell us peons batteries out of their current warehouse. considered blackmailing one of their warehouse workers to get some but it aint worth the jail time afaic
 
not too far from where i live Molicel and the Government of BC have entered into a $1.05 billion dollar partnership to build a manufacturing plant in Maple Ridge BC. ive been bugging them for years to sell me some batteries but they never do. our govt is giving them $200 million dollars and they wont even sell us peons batteries out of their current warehouse. considered blackmailing one of their warehouse workers to get some but it aint worth the jail time afaic
Yeah, it is really annoying.

I am surprised no governments ask for discounted cells for the locals for X years in exchange for the subsidy :)
 
Happy to test them…crazy hard to get them here in the US. I’ll put in the time though if anyone sends a pair of the New Hotness they want tested to me here in NYC.
Is this due to shipping restrictions? Not super familiar since I'm up north, but I've had no issues getting samples of P30Bs, 40PLs.

Was tempted to get P50Bs but at ~$8/cell didn't seem worth it based on current scope of my application (and thanks a ton for the teardown, definitely supports my choice), although I'm not so patiently waiting for P60Bs to start sampling...
 
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