The age of cheap Chinese stuff is ending in the USA? [includes politics, but shouldn't]

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So the last 4 years? Everything costs more because of the Biden administration and you blame Trump? Liberals are very strange
 
Everything costs more because of the Biden administration
The Office of the President does not decide prices, the global economy does.

That is, we do.
 
Yeah, Germany shutting down its nukes was simply brain dead. Or an own goal, times 100.

Okay, you understand what i'm talking about then. There's been a long series of mis-steps related to energy.
This is still adversely affecting manufacturing capability and Germany is going in the direction of de-industrialization.
That's bad because it's part of the country's core competencies and income stream.
 
The Office of the President does not decide prices, the global economy does.

That is, we do.
Printing Trillions of dollars devalue the dollar.Know who did that? Billions of taxpayers dollars to "forgive students debt"47 Billion of taxpayers dollars to build 7 EV charging stations.I don't have enough time for all of the Biden administration waste/payoff.Trump is not even in office and you people are concerned about prices.Just not the last 4 years.Policy affects prices.To claim "President doesn't set prices"and then complain about Trump tariff 🤣 Because liberals are strange
 
Printing Trillions of dollars devalue the dollar.Know who did that?
Cutting trillions of taxes from the rich while running big deficits also devalues the dollar. Know who did that? :rolleyes:

Also, did you notice that even now, the dollar is strong against most other world currencies? It's only weak against actual goods. That's the doing of corporations and financiers, by the way. So find another whipping boy-- Grandpa Joe is lame enough for things he actually did and didn't do, and not for the things lying chuds made up about him.
 
Printing Trillions of dollars devalue the dollar.Know who did that? Billions of taxpayers dollars to "forgive students debt"47 Billion of taxpayers dollars to build 7 EV charging stations.I don't have enough time for all of the Biden administration waste/payoff.Trump is not even in office and you people are concerned about prices.Just not the last 4 years.Policy affects prices.To claim "President doesn't set prices"and then complain about Trump tariff 🤣 Because liberals are strange

If you read the actual record of interest rates set by the markets, and the actual record of interest rates set by the Fed, and graph them, you'll see that the Fed always changes it's interest rate towards what the market set AFTER the market has changed it. The Fed does not set the economy.

If you take the standard basket of commodities (so much wheat, so much hog futures to represent meat production, so much steel, so much copper, so much oil) and equate it's price in $ with the price of the DJIA in $ so that you are viewing the DJIA in commodities, then you will see a very different picture of what the economy has been doing for the last 100 years than the one based on fiat $ that is mostly touted.

The basket of commodities is chosen to represent what is required/consumed to actually keep society and our economy going - a loaf of bread has the same value to a person regardless of the price in $ - it keeps a person alive for the same length of time.

And that picture of what has been happening is more real as it involves keeping people alive and keeping society going. Wave your hands as you like, but that graph doesn't change.

Greed and the resulting inequality is the driver of misery, not the small details you grasp at and focus on because you think they support your desires. Make the graph and look at it.

Should you keep calling other people names, or should you look at the actual situation because it will happen to you whether you call people names or not?
 
Billion of taxpayers dollars to build 7 EV charging stations.

That sounds a bit like Trump Jr. paying homeless in Greenland to wear a hatred hat and then coming back to the US going on talk shows / socials claiming 100% of people he spoke with wanted them to annex their country 🤮

Also, did you notice that even now, the dollar is strong against most other world currencies? It's only weak against actual goods. That's the doing of corporations and financiers, by the way.

The same could be said from the Euro.

Imagine being reliant on a country for producing affordable consumer goods because domestic production sucks, and thinking that by just taxing people's purchases making things unaffordable for common people, those same people will start accepting even lower wages so their employers can produce cheaper goods people would want to buy.. without realizing that because you're paying lower wages, even if you produce things cheaper then before, now people have even less money to spend.

It sounds really really shortsighted, I wonder what or who the scapegoat will be when it doesn't work and people notice they aren't actually living better lives because of the trade policies. I mean, we've already covered 'immigrants' and so many hatred hat wearers seem to be fitting the 'Christian Taliban' moniker they been assigned by progressives ( even if just because of their statements indicating they feel government and their religion needing to be more intertwine ... talking about going backwards in scary ways, there is a reason we segregated government and people's religious believes ).

It's a bit like in Europe, so many extreme right political stances are suddenly acceptable, nationalism is suddenly the best thing since butter on toast and all the organisations which unite us beyond our borders are suddenly the focal point of conflict instead of the cement which binds us together.

Now, even I as European know Orange guy's policies were increasing median American household income, before the pandemic. But at the severe cost of the trade deficit, which is as we Dutch would say 'putting the burden on the shoulders of future generations' as well as 'We push the problems forward like a snowplow pushes the snow'. Delay 'problem solving', letting future generations deal with the build-up. While we're not sure if they will be capable of doing so.

Even if Orange guy will repeat the GDP growth of 2.5% of his first years before covid, and this increase will also again be noticeable in an increase in manufacturing, this will never offset the lower standards of living consumers will have not having access to even cheaper foreign products. Even if you give everyone a 10% increase in income, if the goods they were buying before suddenly cost twice as much.. I mean that's grade school math.

So for the average consumer, life will not improve. For the more well off consumer, who will be able to afford things anyway, their income streams aren't tied to the value of labor and as such they will benefit the most. As always. While claiming that it's ok, it's ok, because even if consumers now won't benefit at all but suffer, they will claim it will create even more jobs and money in the future.. which is true, probably, but not the reason they are saying it.

... now I know I'm obviously wrong, I mean I can't be right because it sounds to obvious and people would just 'see through it'. But I can't figure out where I went wrong.
 
Yeah, Germany shutting down its nukes was simply brain dead
No. Nuclear energy had only 6% of the overall electricity production in germany in the end. Energy prices have not risen after shutting them down completely and there was no blackout or something like that. Prices have gone crazy in Europe because of the war in Ukraine.
The Brain dead was blocking the building of high voltage power lines to bring the energy to the places where it is needed. We had 10 years to build a few 100 miles of power lines, but it was blocked by brain dead politicians. Germany is very small. Less than 650 miles from north to south....
We had a conservative (similar to republicans in US) government in this aera. Since a few years we have a social democratic (similar to the democrats in US) government, but people are not satisfied with it's work, so we have new elections in February, where the conservatives will win again. But we have much more parties in Germany, not only two like in the US, so no single party has a majority and has to search for political partners to coalesc with for building a government.

There is an interesting website, you can see the origin of electricity for each country, the recent im- and exports, and the recent prices and the day ahead prices...

 
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No. Nuclear energy had only 6% of the overall electricity production in germany.
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Looks more like 12%. It dropped to 6% in 2022... before dropping off to zero in beginning of 2023.

But we have much more parties in Germany, not only two like in the US, so no single party has a majority and has to search for political partners to coalesc with for building a government.
So do we in The Netherlands, so does France and so does Austria, so does the UK.

And usually, our multi party political arena's do work in favor of getting policies in line with what the majority of people want. But it can also lead to what we've been seeing in the UK. Or what we're seeing in France. Or what we're seeing in Austria where parties who in the past said they had certain convictions, are now willing to curb them to stay in power.

Don't get me wrong, it beats a two party system where the same political differentiating ideas are contained in two parties alone meaning a vote for one isn't indicating support for the party as a whole. Ofc, we also have the 'protest vote' but this is far less influential.

We ( Dutch ) seen cabinet after cabinet of Rutte who is now our NATO chief, and it didn't matter what political scandal brought down the government, teflon Mark kept getting people to vote on his party. In response, we now have a populist government, gladly not a populist 'Orban / Trump the second' pm though we should count our blessings there.

I'm 100% on board with transport capacity is the factor people keep overlooking, it doesn't matter how much potential green energy you would be able to generate if you can't get it to places which need it it's useless.
 
Cutting trillions of taxes from the rich while running big deficits also devalues the dollar. Know who did that? :rolleyes:

Also, did you notice that even now, the dollar is strong against most other world currencies? It's only weak against actual goods. That's the doing of corporations and financiers, by the way. So find another whipping boy-- Grandpa Joe is lame enough for things he actually did and didn't do, and not for the things lying chuds made up about him.
More delusional thoughts from the"greedy corporations"cult.Projection is a tool for a weak mind.
 
If you read the actual record of interest rates set by the markets, and the actual record of interest rates set by the Fed, and graph them, you'll see that the Fed always changes it's interest rate towards what the market set AFTER the market has changed it. The Fed does not set the economy.

If you take the standard basket of commodities (so much wheat, so much hog futures to represent meat production, so much steel, so much copper, so much oil) and equate it's price in $ with the price of the DJIA in $ so that you are viewing the DJIA in commodities, then you will see a very different picture of what the economy has been doing for the last 100 years than the one based on fiat $ that is mostly touted.

The basket of commodities is chosen to represent what is required/consumed to actually keep society and our economy going - a loaf of bread has the same value to a person regardless of the price in $ - it keeps a person alive for the same length of time.

And that picture of what has been happening is more real as it involves keeping people alive and keeping society going. Wave your hands as you like, but that graph doesn't change.

Greed and the resulting inequality is the driver of misery, not the small details you grasp at and focus on because you think they support your desires. Make the graph and look at it.

Should you keep calling other people names, or should you look at the actual situation because it will happen to you whether you call people names or not?
Come back to reality.You can look at all the graphs you desire it doesn't change facts."greedy corporations"🤣 pathetic
 
More delusional thoughts from the"greedy corporations"cult.Projection is a tool for a weak mind.
Ah, you ate the poopoo because they told you it was delicious. And now you're trying to tell us the same. Sorry, chud. You've struck a vein of folks who mostly can observe cause and effect, take measurements, build things better.

Lemme guess-- do you have an $800 mail order e-bike that you insist will go 37 mph for 50 to 80 miles, like the listing said? The biggest, most beautiful e-bike that brings tough guys to tears?
 
Come back to reality.You can look at all the graphs you desire it doesn't change facts."greedy corporations"🤣 pathetic
Actually the analysis of collected data is the basis for what you call facts, so na na na na na
 
Extremely disappointed in where this thread is going, in particular, that one of the moderator staff kicked off the overpoliticization of it. And the usual partisan bickering force came in.

Everyone, please read where we draw the line on politics and why:
Rules of the off topic section.

I will straight up delete this thread if it continues to go off the rails and the discussion quality continues to move towards zero.
Locked for a few days so everyone takes notice.
 
Okay, back
 
Some recent news indicates the new administration is thinking about 2.5% - 5% increase in tariffs per year instead of a sudden 60% increase.

If that's the case, additional tarrifs per year would be lower than what our previous president imposed.

Fingers crossed that this is a nothingburger.
 
Some recent news indicates the new administration is thinking about 2.5% - 5% increase in tariffs per year instead of a sudden 60% increase.

If that's the case, additional tarrifs per year would be lower than what our previous president imposed.

Fingers crossed that this is a nothingburger.
Source? Want to share with others.
 
That's usually the case isn't it? Presidents usually accomplish a tenth of what they promise on the campaign trail.

I believed in the worst case scenario because the tarrif war really spiked in 2024 and i figured Trump would take that momentum and run with it.

I think the key signal to watch is how foreign relations go w/China go
 
I don't know about what others are doing to cope with an uncertain future but I have purchased all the bits I need to build what I intend to build. That will get me through a couple more years of building ev stuff. After that IDK.
 
Looks like we're not getting Chinese cars in the states due to a new rule from the Biden administration:
US finalizes rule to effectively ban Chinese vehicles, which could include Polestar

"Foreign adversary involvement in the supply chains of connected vehicles poses a significant threat in most cars on the road today, granting malign actors unfettered access to these connected systems and the data they collect," the White House said. "As PRC automakers aggressively seek to increase their presence in American and global automotive markets, through this final rule, President Biden is delivering on his commitment to secure critical American supply chains and protect our national security."

I can see that, China has very aggressive spying... too bad cars sold here aren't up to such stringent requirements.
 
Maybe they just need some drama to confirm that the love is mutual and eternal and after that both sides can return to business as usual :)
 
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