E-bike powered by disposable vapes

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What a terrible idea. I love it! So many reasons why you shouldn't do this kind of battery build, but it's clever idea. Especially since vapes tend to require high-discharge cells anyway. As long as you don't expect your pack to have a very long lifetime...
 
I both love and hate that lithium batteries are so cheap that you can make 'disposable' things and wantonly throw them away.

I think there are some legal initiatives in the EU recently that either suggest or demand that industry re-use cells.
Some interesting things coming out of that, but.. i think you shouldn't go so far as to make a vehicle with questionable battery safety.
 
I both love and hate that lithium batteries are so cheap that you can make 'disposable' things and wantonly throw them away.

I think there are some legal initiatives in the EU recently that either suggest or demand that industry re-use cells.
Some interesting things coming out of that, but.. i think you shouldn't go so far as to make a vehicle with questionable battery safety.
Oh yeah, this is wildly unsafe. I would have personally used my IR meter, capacity tester and a high grade adjustable voltage/current charger to baby these cells as much as possible.

I just wish the video creator had done as many critical steps as possible for safety.
 
I both love and hate that lithium batteries are so cheap that you can make 'disposable' things and wantonly throw them away.

I think there are some legal initiatives in the EU recently that either suggest or demand that industry re-use cells.
Some interesting things coming out of that, but.. i think you shouldn't go so far as to make a vehicle with questionable battery safety.
I have two destroyed "hoverboard" batteries (10s2P) that I'm having a hard time disposing of because the casing on some cells has been breached. And I live in a large metro area. I'll probably end up having to disassemble the battery so that I can drop the intact cells off for recycling. And the destroyed/breached cells will probably end up in a landfill somewhere.
 
Oh yeah, this is wildly unsafe. I would have personally used my IR meter, capacity tester and a high grade adjustable voltage/current charger to baby these cells as much as possible.

I just wish the video creator had done as many critical steps as possible for safety.
Wildly unsafe? That seems a bit harsh. I'm pretty sure that the cells he's using don't have the safety mechanisms common with modern 18650 cells. So I certainly don't think this is a "safe" implementation. But he at least did a decent job of building the battery with an appropriate BMS, reasonable shock protection and insulation and a decent case and monitoring system. He even made a point to warn others against copying what he did.

In the end I think it is a decent video for its intended purpose - raising awareness of the wasted resources being used in the vapes.
 
Wildly unsafe? That seems a bit harsh. I'm pretty sure that the cells he's using don't have the safety mechanisms common with modern 18650 cells. So I certainly don't think this is a "safe" implementation. But he at least did a decent job of building the battery with an appropriate BMS, reasonable shock protection and insulation and a decent case and monitoring system. He even made a point to warn others against copying what he did.

In the end I think it is a decent video for its intended purpose - raising awareness of the wasted resources being used in the vapes.
Exactly this. I would call it "moderately" unsafe, rather than wildly. He does use a BMS, at least. But i did mostly want to share the video because it highlights the level of things that can be made or repurposed from stuff we throw away.
 
Wildly unsafe? That seems a bit harsh. I'm pretty sure that the cells he's using don't have the safety mechanisms common with modern 18650 cells. So I certainly don't think this is a "safe" implementation. But he at least did a decent job of building the battery with an appropriate BMS, reasonable shock protection and insulation and a decent case and monitoring system. He even made a point to warn others against copying what he did.

In the end I think it is a decent video for its intended purpose - raising awareness of the wasted resources being used in the vapes.
I was indeed too harsh :p
I should perhaps review my statements before posting them.
 
Those are 20400 lithium cells. Do they have thermal circuit interrupts and/or vents like most 18650's? Since they are never meant to be recharged (disposable), I hope there is something like a CID or vent.

Those vents and CID's in my packs have saved my bacon.
 
Those are 20400 lithium cells. Do they have thermal circuit interrupts and/or vents like most 18650's? Since they are never meant to be recharged (disposable), I hope there is something like a CID or vent.

Those vents and CID's in my packs have saved my bacon.
The guy who made the video requested and received a data sheet on them. That sheet said that the cells could be recharged not less than 300 times. I've seen other 20400 cells claiming 500 cycles.

I wonder whether all of the batteries used were from the same maker or not. Seems unlikely that they would all be identical. OTOH, with a YouTube video you never really know how things may or may not have been fudged.

I could not easily find any info on vents or circuit interrupts 20400 cells. These are sold for the purpose of powering consumer electronics - so maybe?
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to become more and more important to lean how to make/use things utilizing scrap and waste.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to become more and more important to lean how to make/use things utilizing scrap and waste.
Always has been. ;)

Some of us are forced into it to do the things we want / need to do, so we do it by nature, but most people have to learn to do it, or "force themselves" to do it.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's going to become more and more important to lean how to make/use things utilizing scrap and waste.

I agree, we're kind of repeating the historic sequence of events from the 1920's all over again.

I like these two 'refillable' batteries coming out of Europe lately. I'm waiting on these companies to produce ones in larger capacity, after that, i'm never buying a conventional battery again.
 
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