1000watt ebay hub motor

Well it seemed like I should have been getting a high speed motor as the add claimed a top speed of 55kmh. The motor is pulling only 16 amps once up to speed. Isn't that a bit too low for a 1000 watt motor? It certainly isn't massively torquey as it still takes a while to get to speed on relatively flat ground.
I was really hoping I'd get at least over 40kmh.

- Daniel
 
dmcke said:
Well it seemed like I should have been getting a high speed motor as the add claimed a top speed of 55kmh. The motor is pulling only 16 amps once up to speed. Isn't that a bit too low for a 1000 watt motor? It certainly isn't massively torquey as it still takes a while to get to speed on relatively flat ground.
I was really hoping I'd get at least over 40kmh.

- Daniel

Yes your controller should be drawing at least 20 amps. The 500 watt kit generally have a 15 amp controller with the 1000 watt ones 20 to 25 amps.

16 amps times 50 volts equals 800 watts. Ask him for a 20 amp controller. When I purchased my 1000 watt kit from Solarbike he supplied 2 controllers. 36 volt and 48 volt.

An option maybe to try a cheap controller from greentime. It has a 30 amp max, 32 dollars. Cheaper ones for 20 dollars.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-60-120degree-universal-model-48V-500W-Brushless-DC-Motor-Controller-Electric-Bike-Speed-Controller/313864_546333126.html
 
Ah okay that's the answer I was looking for, thanks! So the motor on this kit is fine and its simply too smaller controller? Shouldn't be hard to exchange controllers hopefully.
There isn't a way to bump up the current limit on the controller?

- Daniel
 
dmcke said:
Ah okay that's the answer I was looking for, thanks! So the motor on this kit is fine and its simply too smaller controller? Shouldn't be hard to exchange controllers hopefully.
There isn't a way to bump up the current limit on the controller?

- Daniel
Not normally on the cheaper ones. They don't have the programing cable. looking at your trike the smaller wheels may add to drag, and with more amps it may increase your speed but considering that your top speed with the wheel off the ground. 40 odd would be about it. If you went to 75 volt, 18S this would give you the 55 KPH. But this would increase the heat even more.

Make sure your controllers positioned in an area where it has air flow. This will help with cooling.
 
The controller has been stone cold after every run so far, so heat in the controller is a non-issue at the moment. I'm expecting that I will have a little more drag than a bike, especially considering that I have two wheels on the back instead of 1. So it still sounds like I have a low speed wound motor, as there are guys out there with their 1000 watt motors spinning much faster at the same voltage. I can't afford to run a higher voltage battery, as it is 48v was already a bit of a stretch considering this thing is just a weekend toy rather than a commuter.
My concern is that I'm not even close to the 55kmh top speed they claim to be able to achieve on this motor. What sort of speed's are other guys getting on the same setup? (1000w 48v 12s Lipo)
I really just want to make sure that I haven't been ripped off.

- Daniel
 
My 1000 watt kit running 12s max speed is 40 KPH, 45-50 with peddling. Thats with a Grin 25 amp controller one of these http://www.ebikes.ca/shop/ebike-parts/controllers/c7225-nc.html
 
dmcke said:
Great thanks, that at least gives me some sort of reference. So on flat ground does your setup sit just underneath the current limit?

- Daniel

Yes around 40 on flat ground. I notice that ebay guy has a rather low feedback of 93% it maybe due to some of his statements
 
your bike isnt a bicycle. so it will need to run from a dead stop.all these hub motor are more suitable to reach a better speed for 12cell can hit easy 50kmh on a typical. if you try to test your hub motor fitting into typical/ normal 2 wheel bicycle im sure you will get a higher speed.
 
I had a look at his feedback before purchasing and didn't see anything too bad, it was mostly just people complaining about how long it took him to ship items. I wasn't able to find many places in Australia which had these kits in stock at a reasonable price, so this was just about my only option (short of waiting 5 weeks for one to arrive by boat from china).
I've emailed him again asking for a datasheet on the controller and motor if he has one so I have some sort of reference of what this kit is supposed to do at least. I've told him that my flat ground current is about 16 Amps and that I suspect that I have received a smaller controller than what is supposed to be included with the kit. Up until today all of the emails I've sent him have had quick replies, but its now been 12 hours since my email and still no response.

kentlim26 said:
your bike isnt a bicycle. so it will need to run from a dead stop.all these hub motor are more suitable to reach a better speed for 12cell can hit easy 50kmh on a typical. if you try to test your hub motor fitting into typical/ normal 2 wheel bicycle im sure you will get a higher speed.
I'm sure I will get a higher speed too, as there will be a bit less drag with the very efficient bicycle wheels rather than two small wide wheels on the back. The only bike I own is an aluminium frame Trek 3700 and I'm worried that the forks may not cope with the stress of the motor, otherwise I would happily give it a test on a proper bike. The thing that had me most worried was that my motor just doesn't seem to spin as fast as all the others that I've seen unloaded. I think however upping the current when cruising to 20-25 amps would get me to a point where I am happier with the performance (I get enough dirt in my face at 30kmh!) I really just want to make sure that I got what I paid for.

Thanks everyone for all of the advice you've given so far. It's been a great help sorting this out.

- Daniel
 
if im going to run 12cell from my ebay 48v 1000 hub motor rear/ conhismotor. bought in year 2009. but i use different controller is a green time at 48v i can still get <50kmh on a normal 2 wheel bicycle. if your 3 wheel does abit similar like a cart has 4wheel drive. so it will need more troque n power. so that is why i see more times a cart will run with a chain drive.
 
IMO, you didn't get what you paid for, either by mistake, or on purpose. I've only built one trike, with a 500w motor, and on 14s lipo with my 270lbs on it, it would do over 40kph. About the same as the same motor kit would do on a regular bicycle. So unless those little rear wheels are producing a lot of drag, a 1000w motor rated for 55kph @ 48V on your trike should do close to 50kph on 12s lipo, and should do close to 60kph with the wheel off the ground. After reading everything here, I'm convinced you got a 350rpm motor @48V. Wether it's a 1000W or 500W is to be determined. It also appears they substituted a 500W controller for a 1000W controller, which makes me think they sold you a 500W motor as they usually come with a 500W controller. Motor and controller wattages are continuous operation ratings, not peak output ratings. A 500W 30A controller @50V is 1500W, 2500W at 50A, etc. It's still possible you have a speed limited controller, but to determine that, you'd need to open it up and check the internal wiring or try another 48V controller. If you were in the US, I've got a new 48V controller I've never used you could have, but shipping to AU is prohibited by cost. Another possibility is that the phase and hall wires aren't correct, though this usually makes for a rough spinning motor.
 
wesnewell said:
IMO, you didn't get what you paid for, either by mistake, or on purpose. I've only built one trike, with a 500w motor, and on 14s lipo with my 270lbs on it, it would do over 40kph. About the same as the same motor kit would do on a regular bicycle. So unless those little rear wheels are producing a lot of drag, a 1000w motor rated for 55kph @ 48V on your trike should do close to 50kph on 12s lipo, and should do close to 60kph with the wheel off the ground. After reading everything here, I'm convinced you got a 350rpm motor @48V. Wether it's a 1000W or 500W is to be determined. It also appears they substituted a 500W controller for a 1000W controller, which makes me think they sold you a 500W motor as they usually come with a 500W controller. Motor and controller wattages are continuous operation ratings, not peak output ratings. A 500W 30A controller @50V is 1500W, 2500W at 50A, etc. It's still possible you have a speed limited controller, but to determine that, you'd need to open it up and check the internal wiring or try another 48V controller. If you were in the US, I've got a new 48V controller I've never used you could have, but shipping to AU is prohibited by cost. Another possibility is that the phase and hall wires aren't correct, though this usually makes for a rough spinning motor.
That sounds much more like what I've heard about these motors. The guy I know with one of these is doing just over 50kmh on his trike with a 1000 watt motor, you can't tell me that mine is that much draggier!
My motor is definitely running smoothly, and pulls fine from a stand still without any cogging or really loading up which leads me to believe that all of the connections are in the correct order.
I'm still waiting on a response from this guy. After his wisdom on SLA's, I haven't heard anything from him in almost 24 hours when all his previous responses were quite fast!
Beginning to get worried.

- Daniel
 
Alright so thought I'd fill you all in on how I'm going with this guy. Its been about 36 hours since I last heard from him, he was previously responding in 15-30 minutes. I got my mate to send him a message from his ebay account this morning inquiring about the same kit, and funnily enough he got a response within 15 minutes. I got him to ask how fast this kit would pull a 100kg guy on a bike (more than I weigh but wanted his opinion on top speed with a similar overall weight without telling him my "vehicle" weighs 25kg's which may have raised his suspicions) and he reported that he is a similar weight and can achieve 45kmh without pedaling (which is a fair bit more than 33kmh IMO).
Anyway, a quick google search of his ebay username brings up a few unhappy customers who haven't received products at all, refusing to honor warantee and various other complaints. Now obviously I can't assure the accuracy of the other complaints he has received, but his now lack of response is making me think he knew exactly what he was sending when he sent out my kit.
I've started a paypal dispute with him to see if that gets his attention. I'm not into naming and shaming without good reason, so I'm not specifically mentioning any names or forum posts linking to him or his business just yet but if he doesn't want to fix problems for customers someone has to let other people know. He has 7 days before I can send Paypal after him, and after that I'm not really sure what happens? For now I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that he redeems himself and fixes this up for me. After all, I'm a paying customer and I've been nothing but polite to him so far.

- Daniel
 
In AU I'd recommend this seller. They're out of 48V 1000W front motor kits at this time, but you can check with them to see when they expect more. Doesn't get much better than 99.9% positive feedback. I wouldn't buy anything from anyone with less than 97% positive feedback
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/36V-48V-250-500-800-1000W-Electric-Bicycle-Conversion-Kit-Front-Rear-Wheel-Motor-/131139523794
 
I think I emailed these guys originally to ask when they would be back in, however they were unable to tell me which is why I decided to go for someone else, as I was a bit impatient to get my motor.
I did eventually get a response last night, asking me to confirm what current the motor is pulling when running on flat ground, which I replied and told him 15-16 amps. He also said that his kits should pull 20-25amps at top speed, which seems to be consistant with what everyone else has said. I really hope this is enough information for him to realise i have the wronf kit.
I've pulled the motor off my trike for now, in case he does let me send it back. I'm going to use this time to improve the strength of my front forks, as even this motor has twisted a little and opened the mounting points right up.

I definitely won't be giving anyone with a low feedback score a chance in the future, definitely proves that slow and steady does infact win the race after all.

- Daniel
 
So decided to add 2 additional cells today for a total of 14s to get me to the same voltage as the "48v" lifepo4 packs. I get roughly 58v fully charged, and right off the charger I get 38kmh top speed. The seller is now talking to me, and being very cooperative which is good. Says he has some new controllers there that he's going to test with these motors and let me know. Otherwise he says he'll swap for one of their "new" kits which he says are much stronger.

Daniel
 
14s rc lipo is actually 51.8V. That's about the same top speed I got with my 500W 360rpm motor on my trike using 14s lipo. A new controller isn't going to help if you're pulling close to 50A now from a dead stop. My trike had 3 26" wheels. My 1000W 470rpm motor on 26" wheels did ~53kph on 14s. Unloaded it would do close to 60kph.
 
wesnewell said:
14s rc lipo is actually 51.8V. That's about the same top speed I got with my 500W 360rpm motor on my trike using 14s lipo. A new controller isn't going to help if you're pulling close to 50A now from a dead stop. My trike had 3 26" wheels. My 1000W 470rpm motor on 26" wheels did ~53kph on 14s. Unloaded it would do close to 60kph.

Wesnewell, Hes meaning hot off change, 14 times 4.2 is 58.8.

my 12s is 50.4
 
Rodney64 said:
wesnewell said:
14s rc lipo is actually 51.8V. That's about the same top speed I got with my 500W 360rpm motor on my trike using 14s lipo. A new controller isn't going to help if you're pulling close to 50A now from a dead stop. My trike had 3 26" wheels. My 1000W 470rpm motor on 26" wheels did ~53kph on 14s. Unloaded it would do close to 60kph.

Wesnewell, Hes meaning hot off change, 14 times 4.2 is 58.8.

my 12s is 50.4

Yes you're right, I meant straight off the charger. Got myself a GPS bike computer today and had another ride this afternoon, got to 39.5kmh on a very slight downhill. I'm not actually sure I want to be on this thing once It can do 50 haha. I'm thinking about making some disc brakes that I can fit to the back wheels so I don't die if I have to stop quickly! It feels very uncomfortable pulling up from 40kmh as the front wheel wants to do anything but stay straight. The back brakes would also help make it slide when its got slippery wheels on it. Might be a fun project to design a set of rear disc brakes for it!

- Daniel
 
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