2001 Stumpjumper FSR / Yescom 1000w / 15s2p 10Ah Lipo - WIP

markw

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Hello ES,

Today I would like to share with you my full suspension, direct drive, work-in-progess electric bike!

1.) 2001 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR. Fox Float R in the rear (75mm at the moment, I think it can do 90mm though 90mm travel![9/8]) and a Rockshox Judy in the front. This was a craigslist bike but it was in immaculate condition when I purchased it. No rust on any of the bolts or components. I took it to a local bike shop and had it tuned up right after purchasing it. Both shocks should be serviced or replaced but work pretty decently. I couldn't help but love the color scheme - and + ! For tires I'm currently rolling on Schwalbe Marathon GG RLX Wire Bead Tire (26X2.0) with some slime tubes (friggin' pain in my ass, cannot wait to replace these.) 70psi.

Work in progress...
1a.) Shocks. Full clean. Lube bearings, headset, etc.
1b.) Ditch the slimes. Replace with a fatter tire, possibly wider rims. Thinking Fat Frank @ 2.35. Wheels should be trued.
1c.) I want to convert this to a single speed eventually. In the mean time the rear derailleur need to be relaxed as one of the discs is incredibly close to the cassettes.

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2.) The kit is a 1000w rear yescom kit mostly unmodified. All I have changed is how it plugs into the batteries. I opted for 4mm bullets because that's what I had. This is the older kit with the 30a controller I believe. The hub has the silver stripes on it, @wesnewell uses the stripes to identify the older ones.

Work in progress...
2a.) Install a precharge resister. Ordered one of these: http://tinyurl.com/q82dnv3 - by the R/C calculations it should be a 2.5 second charge.
2b.) Eventually external shunt and CA plug and play - haven't gone into the nooks and crannies of this yet.
2c.) The cables that draw power from the battery pack are something like 14 awg? Pretty lame. I want at least 12, 10 preferably.
2d.) While I have the controller open I should add some solder to get a few extra amps into the motor.
2e.) I have two of the crystalite torque arms. I have one installed on the non-wire side at the moment. I need to install another for the other side.
2f.) Figure out what 72v controller will work for me. I want to run 20s2p for the added Wh and burst speed. (9/8)

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3. This setup uses a 3s2p battery configuration with Turnigy 5s 5Ah lipo. 61.5v 10Ah @ 30a = 1845w = just shy of 2.5 horse power. The harness was made by me and my father who is a soldering wizard compared to me. I haven't done a full run, but I imagine that these will take me around 10 miles fully charged WOT about 70% of the time. I have 7 in total in case one craps out on me and I want to replace it with a healthier pack. The crown jewel of my entire build is without a doubt the Additive Frame Bag V2 which I purchased from http://www.bikeworldextreme.com/welcome/additive-bag-triangle-bag - it keeps the weight distribution pretty much perfect. It hides the controller and the nest of wires. I keep the 3s1p batteries in the left/right side inside of fire retardant lipo charging bags.

Work in progress...
3a.) I need to think of a way to make charging this pack easier. I have seen icecube578's videos and setups. I may contact him and have him do the thinking for me.
3b.) I currently monitor my voltage through one cell using one of these: http://tinyurl.com/q4tgz85 - I obviously should upgrade to CA as soon as possible. I've seen the external shunt and throttle for the CA plug and play version and that's likely what I'll end up doing.


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Here's some pictures!
http://imgur.com/a/0kvMg

Little video of the hub motor on the stand. Gradual, 0-WOT, and a thumbs up. You can see that there is some truing that needs to occur. My camerawork is bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD_iDHj2cDA

Quick video of taking a super quick stroll around the neighborhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTYlURvizNE

Here's some stats from my test run. This tells you grade / speed / and some other cool stuff too. 7.2% grade and maintaining 30mph!
http://www.strava.com/activities/185393196/analysis

Some messing around all over place in order to discharge and play for realistic total distance. At the end of this run cells in each pack were around 3.75v
http://www.strava.com/activities/185715922/analysis

I think that about covers everything that I can come up with. Gurus please chime in with things to add to my to-do list! Thank you guys so much for all of your helpful posts, guides, and encouragement. Three months ago I couldn't even tell you how to calculate watts, change a bicycle tire, or tell you whether 10awg wire was bigger/smaller than 12awg. Still very much to learn and all so excited to learn it. Thanks all! <3

edit1: Added another video and strava analysis
edit2: minor updates
 
Most recent cruise on the electrostump:

http://www.strava.com/activities/185715922/segments/4346260976 15 miles on the 10Ah charged to 4.10v with pedaling. Just going up and down streets in my neighborhood ~400 feet climbed in total.


Some setup specific charging questions...
I'm at the point where I'm confident in my pack's balance and I need to figure out the deal with parallel charging. I use a modified Dell DA-2 power supply (stole the idea from this great thread http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61539 ) into a iCharger208B. I have the 6x parallel 4mm / 6x balance harnesses and I've connected to the charger all hooked up and selected balance charge. However, the charger shut itself off after 5000mAh were charged because it thought it was a single pack instead of a big 30Ah pack. Is there a setting I need to modify for this charging setup?

Also when I crank this thing up to 15a charge (.5C of my 30Ah parallel pack, right?) the unit just shuts itself off :( The power supply is rated for 18a, so it shouldn't be that... right?

For being able to balance charge single packs I also have a imaxb6 and 5a power supply. imax shuts itself off when balance charging 5a and also... it has no setting to specify to charge to 4.10v? Makes it hard to balance charge two batteries to the same voltage if it won't let me set that?

Thanks you ES!
 
Nice one. Back end looks a bit outta balance on YouTube.

Gonna drill the sides?
 
markw said:
For being able to balance charge single packs I also have a imaxb6 and 5a power supply. imax shuts itself off when balance charging 5a and also... it has no setting to specify to charge to 4.10v? Makes it hard to balance charge two batteries to the same voltage if it won't let me set that?
Use the LiIo setting as described below.

My Imax b6 wants to overcharge by mxer
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35758

According to the iCharger 208B manual there's an LiIo setting and a "Capacity Cut-off" on-off and mAh setting (also see http://www.rctech.net/forum/radio-electronics/415520-icharger-208b.html).
 
@samd thanks man! It really is a dream to ride. The balance on both the front and back really need work and i havent fully looked into how to fix it. The reflective circle around the tire (tire guide?) is off by a couple millimeters in a couple places... I reset the tires 3 times, tried the soapy water trick, over inflated, deflated... freakin everyhing. It still isnt seated perfectly... Not sure if it is a compatability issue between my rims and tires or what, but its kind of a bummer.

By drill do you mean put some porting in the housing of the hub for cooling? If do, not right yet. If i get to modifying the controller for more amps (amps being the main reason for added heat, i have read?) then ill definitely look into it. The climate i live in is a state bordering canada, so it stays fairly cool here. Humidity heat is more prevelent in the summer than dry heat.

Thank you for your comments!

@mark5 thank you! I wouldnt have figured this out... this lilo solution for the b6 doesnt seem like something i would intuitively search in google/es search. Now when i balance i can use both of these chargers at the same time! Thank you similarly for the icharger solution. Now if i go to balance charge single packs i will need to turn the capacity cutoff back down to 5Ah? When charging a single pack at 40% capcity it knows how to not overcharge regardless of the cutoff, so i shouldnt need to change the cutoff every time i switch from 1 pack to 6p, right?

Any insight on why my chargers shut themselves off when i try to crank the amps up? Are my power supplies not juicy enough? I was under the impression that the DA-2 would be able to get me at least 15 amps of charging power... But again I'm very new so i woudnt exactly know :| @teslanv on the DA-2 "12V-18A Power Supply pushing up to 220W of power to my iCharger." Is it the voltage maybe? Asking it to charge 6 packs up to 4.1v on a 12v ps? Curious ramblings, my apologies!

My imaxb6 turned itself off too when i was testing with balance charging at 5amps, lipo. The power supply is i use is again what @teslanv recommended "12V, 5A (60W) laptop style power supply."

Thank you for listening to my charging specific concerns. From what ive read most lipo fires are charging related... So having the second opinion from you gurus really helps put my nerves at a small rest!
 
markw said:
Any insight on why my chargers shut themselves off when i try to crank the amps up? Are my power supplies not juicy enough? I was under the impression that the DA-2 would be able to get me at least 15 amps of charging power...
This review says your charger outputs 270W on 12V: http://swm1.com/flying/iCharger/208B/208B_review.html

Go to this article, subheading "POWER REQUIREMENTS & CELL COUNTS," read and work out the requirements for charging 6 5S lipos at 15 amps: http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-battery-chargers.html.
Or this one if you find it more clear: http://www.tjinguytech.com/charging-how-tos/wattage-for-charging.
 
markw said:
Any insight on why my chargers shut themselves off when i try to crank the amps up? Are my power supplies not juicy enough? I was under the impression that the DA-2 would be able to get me at least 15 amps of charging power... But again I'm very new so i woudnt exactly know :| @teslanv on the DA-2 "12V-18A Power Supply pushing up to 220W of power to my iCharger." Is it the voltage maybe? Asking it to charge 6 packs up to 4.1v on a 12v ps?
A useful online calculator to verify your previous work.

Soko Heli Tools Charger and Power Supply calculator
http://www.soko-heli-tools.com/en/charger-and-psu-calculator/charger-and-psu-calculator.html
 
mark5 you are rockin' my world man. When i get out of work i'll be nose deep in this literature. Thank you so much!
 
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