50 degrees and sunny in February…in Wisconsin

Russell

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All a cyclist could ask for in the middle of winter right? Just one catch though…winds steady out of WSW at over 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph. I wouldn’t normally ride a bike in that kind of wind in the summer but when a day like this comes around a biker just has to take advantage; it’s also exactly why I motorized one of my bikes in the first place. Being that it is February however I don’t have my cycling legs or lungs and I have put on a few extra pounds since the fall so facing that wind on a regular bike would have been tough. We would see how I would do with my little Bafang helper motor.

Starting out was a real blast with about 2 miles of a slight down slope and the wind blown’ at my back. I topped out at 32 mph on this stretch even though I only have my bike geared for about a top speed of 25 mph with a 42T front chainring and a 12T rear cog as my highest combo. Heading south wasn’t as bad as I expected with the wind blowing from my right but boy could I feel it the times I turned due west. On a level surface with pedaling the little motor was pulling nearly 10 amps while I tried to move along at 14-15 mph.

Yesterday with colder temperatures but less wind I just made the same trip with nothing to spare in my 9AH SLA pack so I was nursing the throttle as I headed south trying to maintain about 16 mph when I noticed in my rear view mirror a lone figure gaining on me. I “floored” it but the little motor and me couldn’t muster much more speed with the crosswind as we went up a gentle incline. Slowly he reeled me in and as he passed me he gave me a friendly greeting then powered forward. It got me to thinking about my choice of motor and once again it actually reaffirmed that it was a good one for me. I didn’t motorize my bike so I could be stronger than Lance Armstrong, I added the motor to help this 50 year old guy out in situations just like today where the wind otherwise would have kept me from riding or killing myself if I did. Anyways I don’t feel bad when a twenty-something roadie passes me and I doubt they get much satisfaction having chased down and caught an overweight middle-aged guy riding a hybrid with big tires, full fenders, a rack, bags and a big blinkie light.

As I made the turn back toward home I thought I had plenty of juice left in the battery so I figured the ride back would be a breeze. Some of it was though those same 2 miles where I was going “weeeeeeeeee” at the onset of the ride I’d now be facing in the opposite direction. As I turned due west into the wind it was brutal and combined with a steady up grade it was even more so. I pedaled and watched the amps climb and the voltage sag close to the LVC. I made it now just a little ways left then a couple medium hills and I was home with absolutely nothing left in the tank. Thanks to the motor however I never had to push myself anywhere near my “red zone” but I still got a good workout.

The stat’s:

Distance: 23.5 miles (37.6 km)
Max speed: 32 mph (51 kmh)
Avg. speed: 15.9 mph (25.4 kmh)
Amp-Hours used: 5.42
Watt-Hours used: 189.9
Max. Watts: 524.8
Max. Amps: 14.90
Min. Volts: 31.54

WH/mile: 8.1
WH/km: 5.1


-R
 
nice :) Felt kinda the same today ... It was 17celsius today in Greece and I had to go for a ride , it was beautiful ! I hadn't ridden my ebike for weeks ! Felt awesome , almost forgot how good my 48V bafang full suspension bike feels ! Btw do u limit the amp to 15 amps ? I have no idea how many amps I use but my 48V 10AH gives me enough juice for what I want . Btw how many amps do you use for a steep hill ( like 8-10% ) if you don't pedal ?

Kostas
 
markcycle said:
Great ride report

Though the bike and motor setup are good for your needs, it does seem like a better battery would help.

Mark


Yes I definitely will be upgrading the battery. The 36V/9AH SLA pack that I‘m using came with the kit I bought and for right now it’s ok. The 3 batteries are in their own little tote bag which I can pull out of the rear trunk bag for charging and it isn’t terribly heavy at just under 18 pounds. Still as it gets warmer come spring I’ll want to ride 30, 40, 50 or more miles at a time so I do want a bit more capacity than the roughly 5AH of usable power I get from the SLA pack.

My criteria:

Fit in the same space as the current pack or roughly 8” x 6” x 4”.

Wish to spend less than $400.

The lighter the better.

Have around 10AH capacity


Candidates:

1) “Phylion” LiMn 36V/10AH pack from ampedbikes.com

http://ampedbikes.com/buynow.html

Price: $375 w/charger delivered
Size: 7 ½â€ x 5 ½â€ x 2 ¾â€
Weight: 9 lbs

Same cells as Ezee uses in their kit but in a more compact form.
Safer chemistry than regular Li-Poly
Currently unavailable


2) Lithium Polymer Battery 36V/10AH pack from hightekbikes.com

http://www.hightekbikes.com/battery.html

Price: $361 w/charger, delivered (less w/E-S member discount)
Size: 7.8" x 4.7" x 3.0"
Weight: 4.2 lbs

Very light.
Already in a nice little enclosure
Least stable chemistry


3) LiFePO4 36V/8AH pack from pingbattery.com

http://www.pingbattery.com/servlet/the-7/36V-8AH-LiFePO4-Battery/Detail

Price: $309 w/charger delivered
Size: 7.3” x 6.3” x 2.8”
Weight: 6.6 lbs

Most stable chemistry
longest life(?)
Higher working voltage, 24 cells/38.4V, Vs. 10 cells/37.0V for other 2 choices
It’s held together with duct tape
Lowest AH capacity





-R
 
mer said:
nice :) Felt kinda the same today ... It was 17celsius today in Greece and I had to go for a ride , it was beautiful ! I hadn't ridden my ebike for weeks ! Felt awesome , almost forgot how good my 48V bafang full suspension bike feels ! Btw do u limit the amp to 15 amps ? I have no idea how many amps I use but my 48V 10AH gives me enough juice for what I want . Btw how many amps do you use for a steep hill ( like 8-10% ) if you don't pedal ?

Kostas

My controller has a built in 15A limit.

As it stands now at 36V and a 15A limit using freshly charged SLA batteries the bike with no pedaling will climb a 4% grade at 10 mph with a combined weight of ~265 lbs for me and the bike. It's not a big deal since I don't have any really steep or long hills nearby and I always pedal anyway. I'm sure it's quite a bit better using 48V and more current however my controller has 50V capacitors so going to 48V is not an option.

-R
 
23 miles doesn't sound too bad....those are the same kind of batteries I'm going to be using
 
too cool! this is what sells, this is where the mainstream comes in. the whole competitiveness thing that comes with being in the saddle misdirects from the utilitarian value of a low impact commuting vehicle. this kinda testimonial is more important than the demonic death speed spiral that is so addictive. if you gonna spend money you should go for the gold and get a 48V20Ah lifepo4. the first of the group buy headways should be in the mail soon, so once we hear as much about them as mr ping, people can start making better estimates of which "cheap" battery they use. dogman sells there, the biggest ends up being cheaper over the long run, and you always can go farther than you thought.

now imagine there are no cars on the street, just bikes, people engaged in conversation as they ride and coast in assist, not a car in sight, no noise but the train blowing its horn as it cuts across the arterials downtown on its way south out of town, no jive monkeys in their lowriders blasting the paint off the houses with the sub bass.

i thought i was in heaven, but i snapped to, i'm just walking around the block along the bike street, i always remember it as the street the trolley ran on from downtown, you once could see the tracks under the asphalt because the asphalt would crack in a line right above the rails that are buried underneath. Clinton street.

50 degrees, no rain, splittin wood. spring is on the way.
 
morph999 said:
23 miles doesn't sound too bad....those are the same kind of batteries I'm going to be using


Morph,

Keep in mind that I get that kind of range because I’m always pedaling and my average speed is only in the 15’s. So far after three rides my average power use is a low 7.1 Wh/mi. With the setup you’re contemplating (4-12V/9AH SLA, 9C motor) running at full throttle with no pedaling you’re likely to get less than 12 miles.

-R
 
We just got a 50 degree day here in michigan, real windy though. I worked on my E-bike mid-drive mod for 2 day prior and managed to get in 19 miles on that as well as a few on regular bicycle.
 
Yes today it got into the upper 50's in SE Wisconsin as well. I think Milwaukee may have even tied the record of 58 set back in 1876. The wind however was nasty blowin' low 20's with gusts well over 30 mph. Even with the motor it was tough at times maintaining 14 mph directly into the wind. I always ride into the wind first cuz it makes the leg home so much more fun :D

-R
 
I hear you on the wind gusts, almost got blown off the road today as I was close to the edge due to traffic. I also felt I was not making great speed when going into a 30mph or so head wind. This warm up has been a nice relief from the cold. 1 more day of warm weather and back to the cold.
 
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