50V em3ev triangle pack, 29E, 16.5-Ah, Satiator charger

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In the interests of full disclosure, I am a writer for electricbike.com. However, I paid full price for the em3ev.com battery pack (no discounts), and the Satiator charger from ebikes.ca is only on loan to me for beta testing. If the public-sale V2 Satiator doesn't have any significant changes, I'll simply buy this one.

Due to protests and a business shutdown in Chinese ports due to agitating for democratic reforms, this box took 31 days to arrive from the time of order (not Pauls fault). Many China sellers save a few cents by using thin packing and then ignoring complaints about shipping damage. Pauls packing is exceptional. He stands by his products, and if he needed to respond to shipping damage claims, it would eat up too much of his time.


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I've had the Satiator for over a month, but...no battery! This product has a premium price, but it also has premium features that are not obvious. Have you ever bought an electronics product that eventually failed? and If you're the kind of builder who owns a soldering iron and a DMM (and knows how to use it)...you may have pulled it apart instead of just throwing it away. That is when you notice that its features sounded good, but the manufacturer used the 25-cent capacitor instead of the 50-cent capacitor.

For most people, this will not be your first charger. Most buy a very affordable unit, and most of them are reasonably happy, most of the time. But after a while, for those people who have decided that an electric bike will continue to be a part of their life...they find themselves willing to pay more for components that have a reputation of performing well, and being reliable and long-lasting. This charger is a solid and reliable device, designed by people who know what they are talking about...people who don't want to waste time answering the phone and apologizing to customers.

Normally I don't care about the size of a charger, a bigger charger case may even have more air-flow. However this one is fully potted for extreme water resistance, and that means it is also very vibration and shock resistant. If you want to take a charger with you on a trip so you can charge your battery at a spontaneous destination...this is the charger for you. That is an application where it's small size is a benefit.

The most affordable-grade of chargers are loud and they will easily break if accidentally dropped. Of course I treat quality products with care, but it is nice to know a simple mistake is not likely to damage it.

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Label says:

Grin Technologies
Model: GC360 6008
Input: 100-240V
Output: 24/36/48V
8.0A 360W MAX
Do not unplug while charging

I apologize in advance if this sounds like an ad. I remember being young and unable to pay extra for a better product. I am now in a position where I can afford something better, and I don't have the time to waste on the frequent replacement of the cheap stuff that I used to always get. Building a reliable E-bike has pretty much been sorted out in my mind. For the majority of newbies, you could buy a MAC 10T using 48V X 25A = 1200W...and if you have extra steep hills, buy a mid drive so the motor has some gears to shift to.

The area that still has the most complaints right now is...the battery pack and the charger. Buy a quality battery pack, and get two chargers (the low amp chargers are every cheap as a second unit back-up). I know that this charger and this battery together are a hair over $1000, and that doesn't even include the bike or motor kit. I just can't recommend them if I'm not going to put my money where my mouth is...so here goes.
 
spinningmagnets said:


Label says:

Grin Technologies
Model: GC360 6008
Input: 100-240V
Output: 24/36/48V
8.0A 360W MAX
Do not unplug while charging
In this picture is that the output to the battery pack or the input for/from the wall mains socket?
 
The three-prong socket shown above is the output to the battery pack.

The 100-240V input is a common three-blade found on desktop computers. At the time of purchase, you will be asked the type of plug is desired to match the mains outlets where you will be charging. Your purchase might be a gift to someone who has different plugs than your shipping address.

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The small red/black plug is for the charger, the plug/socket in my hand is the connection between the battery and the controller. These connectors are the Anderson Power Poles, 45A

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Yeah I was just thinking from another thread dnum didn't like my method of always having my battery as the very last thing I unplug from my charger.
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=64448#p966817
I guess hes more focused on the start of the charging process though.
 
999zip999 said:
So what is a Satiator ? I have read some of Justin thread, but still clueless.

It's a charger that has adjustable voltage, current, chemistry. It's also fanless and bike-mountable. It has an OLED (iirc) display that shows everything. You can upgrade the firmware and create charging profiles using provided software.

To me, it's a near perfect charger. As near to perfect as any company has been able to get. I absolutely LOVE this charger. It's VERY well designed and constructed and even comes with many safety certifications including UL listing.

I could go on and on about this thing. :D



About Paul's batteries and packaging, I concur with SM's sentiments. They are very well packed and thought out. Holding one of the packs in your hand, makes you happy that you paid the price for them.


Ron: Will you include a picture of the DC plug with the pre-charge green Andersons? That's one thing that I didn't know about until I had one in my hand. It's another impressive feature included in Paul's packs.

(I put together a couple bikes for customers and had the opportunity to play with them, but didn't take those pics like I should have)
 
Can you give more info on the output connectors besides the Anderson power poles (45amp?).

Just an FYI to those who may not be in the know, the Satiator can charge up to 60 volts, that is a 50v nominal lithium ion battery hot off the charger fully charged to 58.8v. Hot rodders need to find alternatives, which are also out there. :wink:

Going to purchase this and the cycleluminator today as my paypal balance can finally afford them both. It will charge my 6s Eskateboard, 36v folding Ebike, & 50v cargo bike. :mrgreen:
 
If you own several E-bikes, each at a different voltage and chemistry (lead-acid SLA/LiPo/LiFePO4/Li-NCA, etc), the Satiator can have several charge profiles programmed and then easily accessed. Turn it on, select the charge profile, and off it goes. They improved the heat-sinking so that it does not use a fan.

Part of that is that they specified very efficient internal components that create less waste heat in the first place. Low efficiency generic resistors and capacitors create a lot of waste heat that requires a large and loud fan (which is one more point of potential failure).

Will you include a picture of the DC plug with the pre-charge green Andersons?

Gimme a few minutes...BRB
 
melodious said:
Hot rodders need to find alternatives, which are also out there. :wink:

AFAIK they are electrically isolated, so you can series them, or you could simply put two charging connections on a big pack, effectively splitting it into two lower-voltage packs for the charge process.
 
Can't wait to get my own satiator. or two or three. Perfect for a long tour where you charge on the road.
 
An endorsement from John Rob Holmes http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=60169&start=200#p946669:

Had a string of chargers die on me. No blown fuses, no telltale burned parts, no funny smells. More "king" chargers dead than the cost of the Satiator. After a charge the other day, I saw the Satiator throwing up a "short circuit" screen. Obviously Grin thought ahead and put in serious failsafes that are strong enough to catch a dead short before the charger is damaged.

Now I know which pack has the problem BMS
now I know NOT to use regular china chargers on this pack, lest I kill them at random
now I know even stronger what a great product this is!
and now I am completely spoiled and won't be using all these cruddy other ones that come with battery packs.

I'm very happy to have this small, light, powerful, and SMART charger in my possession. Every single Ebike enthusiast will greatly enjoy the ease of use and feature set. Don't hesitate when they have stock, this charger is the gold standard for all.

Here is the ES discussion thread for the satiator:

"The Cycle Satiator, universal charger for the enthusiast"
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=60169
 
Would it be ok to us e a small voltmeter on the charge port to measure battery voltage?

Something like this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6637097375.html?orderId=67015359979058
 
I am not familiar with that voltage meter, but I am certain that it will not hurt the Satiator. Since it is only $5, it is a cheap experiment. I recommend you try it and report how it worked out...
 
spinningmagnets said:
I am not familiar with that voltage meter, but I am certain that it will not hurt the Satiator. Since it is only $5, it is a cheap experiment. I recommend you try it and report how it worked out...
I meant the charge port of the Batterypack/BMS :)
 
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