60% Of Americans Unaware

[spinningmagnets]

There are people who still love horses, but horses do not occupy the comprehensive position they had for farming and transportation that they had pre 1800's.

Steam engine enthusiasts still exist, but...pretty much only as a hobby for a small number of retirees.

100 years from now, ICE automobiles will have clubs that collect, restore, and meet to show off their barn finds, but...99% of ICE cars will be crushed and melted down.

 

[Ianhill]

There are people who still love horses, but horses do not occupy the comprehensive position they had for farming and transportation that they had pre 1800's.

Steam engine enthusiasts still exist, but...pretty much only as a hobby for a small number of retirees.

100 years from now, ICE automobiles will have clubs that collect, restore, and meet to show off their barn finds, but...99% of ICE cars will be crushed and melted down.

As sad as it is, that's the truth.
South Wales scrapped all but a few steam locos back in the 60's down barry, I was still in dadsbag not born till 85 but now some 55 years later a local village to me is opening up a stretch of the old line to run a historic steam railway,

I'm all for it I just missed the last passenger train or goods vehicle pass through our area before the lines where turned into bike tracks, so I would love the chance to go and see our history in action steam is a very powerful beast with near constant torque like electric, Ice engines will always have a place in history and my heart without it we just simply would not be where we are today and this can be said for all discoverys all the way back to man made fire, historians and collectors will never let it be forgotten I just don't want to see ice cars take all the flack.

On average I use no more than 4 gallons of diesel for all my travels in a week for my whole family, while those tellin me I'm polluting the world also travel by plane monthly etc when I never as much set foot on a plane in my life i can not afford it, I've had a shit full of politics telling me I've been living the high life with to much debt when I've not got any and I struggle day by day to make sure of it the world needs change, the bottom of the pile is not as stupid as the top would like and we are rising like a penis in a titty bar we have had enough of holding the fabric together when the dress is heavily stained.

To me this is what electeic is up against for me.
https://youtu.be/Zz472ocDJjc
And even though we can make electric faster and more capable it will never have the heart thsee group b machines had raw technical powerful beasts with firebreathing chest rattling bangs, sit inside one and you become a cyborg part man part machine feeling your way along true master pieces, dangourous but alive.

 

[Warren]

"And even though we can make electric faster and more capable it will never have the heart these group b machines had raw technical powerful beasts with fire breathing chest rattling bangs, sit inside one and you become a cyborg part man part machine feeling your way along true master pieces, dangerous but alive."

Yup. It is like old dried out alcoholics reminiscing about getting pissed and wasting their youth. They know it was stupid, but they still miss it.

 

[torker]

Ion82 had it right if fuel goes to the 5-6-7 dollar a gallon they will sell like hotcakes. At first the lack of range was my issue . I live 30 mi. from my job. Now they go 200 mi. on a charge.
Now it is still the price. I have never payed more than 10k for a vehicle. If they where 10-15k Maybe I could swing it. But one of my vehicles would have to die first. I can only swing one payment at a time. :?
Also we will need a lot more infrastructure if you plan to go more than to work and back .
I would love to go electric .. not quite yet. For me anyway..

 

[Ianhill]

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Yup. It is like old dried out alcoholics reminiscing about getting pissed and wasting their youth. They know it was stupid, but they still miss it.

Based on that comment id say at the moment we seem to be a semi functioning alcohol indenial of any addiction at all.

Without the iron age etc we wouldn't have technology so pollution is a price we pay for knowledge and power, we can fool ourselfs that electric cars are clean but without fossil fuels or nuclear energy they would not be getting constucted in the first place or the knowlegde grown of how to build them to current standards.

Many will refuse to adapt but we must learn from the past too or we will make the same mistakes over and over, It's clear we need to clean up our act as a whole, so to me we had to create pollution to get to the current state of knowledge so we can now slowly fix our adiction to dirty energy and at the moment I can not think of one product that can not say oil has been involved with its production or it was created installed and recycled with a zero carbon footprint.

Only now can we start to make these products with renewable energy so it's going to be quite some time till we genuinely clean our act up and erect a wind turbine or solar farm and say oil played no part from the start of its life to end.

 

[Warren]

I am in the camp that thinks we won't figure it out in time. If we did everything rationally and right, we could solve this problem. But if we could do that, we never would have let it get to this point. Big brains are going to be an evolutionary dead end. Those single celled organisms started it all, are still dominant, and will be here until the sun becomes a red giant.

 

[Ianhill]

I am in the camp that thinks we won't figure it out in time. If we did everything rationally and right, we could solve this problem. But if we could do that, we never would have let it get to this point. Big brains are going to be an evolutionary dead end. Those single celled organisms started it all, are still dominant, and will be here until the sun becomes a red giant.

I agree the earth been here without us way more than with us so our story is an interesting small blip of earth's long tale.

We struggle to agree on the basics so we are pissing in the wind if we think we can fix complex matters in a few decades even if we have out wisest men with unlimited resources.

 

[DRMousseau]

I've been seeing more and more EVs here,... and it's kinda nice. They're nothing new, they've been around for a long, long time. But recent technology AND ECONOMICS has made it more and more viable as a suitable choice for many. And new innovations are reachin out to an even broader market. More power, longer range, better dependability, less maintenance, and greater convenience, etc., are the major driving factors,.... jus as it was for horses, steam, every automobile ever made, and bicycles too!

If I were in the market for a new vehicle, I would certainly consider any electric, jus as any other, with regards to those important factors. Gone are the days of OTHER factors that were once important,.... such as repairing it yourself, or brand favorites and availability, or even fuels and sources. Now if I had a family of six, or 7000lb camping trailer or boat,... then I'd have factors to consider in which available EV's may yet fall short of my needs. In the same way,... many factors contribute to my choice in chainsaws, weed trimmers, golf cars, assisted bicycles, lawn mowers and even watercraft, and many of mine ARE electric. And likely for different reasons than others.

Over many decades, I've watched the matter of "OIL" become an emotional issue of many varied facets,.... alternative energy, pollution, environmental, resources, economics, etc. I've also watched as we entered the "Age of Hydrocarbon"!!!! Gone or fast fading, are the days of leather shoes and wallets, mohair seats padded with a horsehair cushion, down and wool comforters, whitewash, wood floors, and much more. TODAY,... it's POLY! I see before me at this very moment, nearly EVERYTHING has been "POLYMERED"!!!!! Nearly every scrap of paper, the "fake" wood, carpet, phone, shoes, coat, bags, plates, cups, most of the car, cleaners, brushes, rags, remote, about every container in the fridge, asphalt, tires, wiring, insulation, electronics.... DANG, even many engine parts are now poly-ized!!!!! And the majority of hydrocarbons found on earth, naturally occurs in crude oil.

I remember when crude was primarily refined for expensive fuels, with cheap "plastics" and inexpensive petrochemical byproducts. Today, such refining is primarily for costly petrochemicals in technology, a huge thirsty market of varied and increasingly expensive polymers,.... with a cheap byproduct of fuels.

I think if ICE becomes extinct,.... it will be the result of costly manufacturing, not costly fuel.